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So why is it a big deal if the "The years are not consistent"? Powers T 20:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Why not just sort the Muppet Movies from the Sesame Street movies using a sub-section? Rtkat3 ( talk) 7:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Template:Muppet films → Template:The Muppets — This template covers more than just the films, it covers the entire "The Muppets" franchise 70.24.248.23 ( talk) 07:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Muppets. — Cirt ( talk) 20:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please set the box to automatically collapse, so it doesn't take up a huge amount of space at the end of articles? Thanks! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 04:42, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Is the template being used to organize articles related to only The Muppets or any general article about the products The Walt Disney Company, The Jim Henson Company and Sesame Workshop have done? If we are going to maintain a template for The Muppets (which I assume we are doing, considering the category is linked to this template and The Muppets are a separate Disney-owned franchise from either Sesame Workshop or the Jim Henson Co.) then we should remove anything indirectly related to the Disney-owned Muppet Show characters.
Almost all of the Jim Henson Company and Sesame Workshop links should be removed and placed into their respective templates; for example, a Sesame Workshop production (such as CinderElmo) should be moved to this template, as it is remotely connected to The Muppets characters. However, something like Sesame Street is fine, because The Muppets characters have been involved in some capacity with that show.
The characters section is fine, along with the Muppeteers and discography sections, but the television series, television specials, direct-to-video and (namely) the Henson Alternative sections are plagued with productions that have nothing to do with The Muppet Show characters. Cutting out the unnecessary links could also shrink the template's large size by nearly half as much.
Thoughts? ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 22:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
The list under Other Media currently includes " The Muppet Show Comics", referring to the comic-book series of that title and its affiliated mini-series titles (Muppet Robin Hood, Muppet Snow White, etc.) published by Boom! Studios from 2009 - 2011.
The template omits any reference to another Muppets comic series which pre-dates the above by twenty-plus years. Muppet Babies (based on and named for the children's animated series) was published by Star/Marvel Comics from 1985 to 1989 (with separate editions in the UK and Germany) and re-issued by Harvey Comics from 1992 to 1994.
(I avoid editing templates, etc. outside my own WikiProject areas, but I wanted to throw this out for consideration.) ~ TampAGS ( talk) 08:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, why should we shorten names? I suppose in some cases it's fine, such as Jim Henson's Muppet Babies and that sort. Of course, a typical reader should know that the links found in template devoted to The Muppets should be related to them, but is that the real reason behind simplifying? Should it even be a reason? Are readers too lazy to read a whole name? Are we saving space in the template?
If this is the case then what's the criteria for shortening? I'll provide some examples.
Secondly, according to the revision history at Template:The Muppets, it has been claimed "that hovering will give the full title" would be sufficient enough to provide readers with the correct name. Well, about mobile users? Are we supposed to alienate them?
Edits will be reverted until there is a firm consensus with logical reasoning presented that explains the sudden change. The issue is open for discussion. ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 23:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
The claim of Jim Henson being the primary person of the surname is an assumption, not a verified fact. Sure, there are few shows that share that name, but what if the readers aren't familiar with that?
←If they have no background knowledge then any way we list articles won't mean a thing to them. The articles are what inform the reader anyways, not the navbox, so long as how they are listed are not ambig. We are not here to inforce some one's artistic view not even with the article title, WP uses common names (it can be the official name too). I didn't know about the Henson Hour when I first came across the navbox, so click on it and found out. Is that so difficult for readers? do you expect every one to address you by your full name (first, middle, last) plus your address title (mr.,mrs., etc.) everytime they say a sentence to you? You are here on WP using a login name not your full on legal name as your parents were making an partly artistic decision in naming you. Spshu ( talk) 14:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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So why is it a big deal if the "The years are not consistent"? Powers T 20:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Why not just sort the Muppet Movies from the Sesame Street movies using a sub-section? Rtkat3 ( talk) 7:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Template:Muppet films → Template:The Muppets — This template covers more than just the films, it covers the entire "The Muppets" franchise 70.24.248.23 ( talk) 07:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Muppets. — Cirt ( talk) 20:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please set the box to automatically collapse, so it doesn't take up a huge amount of space at the end of articles? Thanks! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 04:42, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Is the template being used to organize articles related to only The Muppets or any general article about the products The Walt Disney Company, The Jim Henson Company and Sesame Workshop have done? If we are going to maintain a template for The Muppets (which I assume we are doing, considering the category is linked to this template and The Muppets are a separate Disney-owned franchise from either Sesame Workshop or the Jim Henson Co.) then we should remove anything indirectly related to the Disney-owned Muppet Show characters.
Almost all of the Jim Henson Company and Sesame Workshop links should be removed and placed into their respective templates; for example, a Sesame Workshop production (such as CinderElmo) should be moved to this template, as it is remotely connected to The Muppets characters. However, something like Sesame Street is fine, because The Muppets characters have been involved in some capacity with that show.
The characters section is fine, along with the Muppeteers and discography sections, but the television series, television specials, direct-to-video and (namely) the Henson Alternative sections are plagued with productions that have nothing to do with The Muppet Show characters. Cutting out the unnecessary links could also shrink the template's large size by nearly half as much.
Thoughts? ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 22:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
The list under Other Media currently includes " The Muppet Show Comics", referring to the comic-book series of that title and its affiliated mini-series titles (Muppet Robin Hood, Muppet Snow White, etc.) published by Boom! Studios from 2009 - 2011.
The template omits any reference to another Muppets comic series which pre-dates the above by twenty-plus years. Muppet Babies (based on and named for the children's animated series) was published by Star/Marvel Comics from 1985 to 1989 (with separate editions in the UK and Germany) and re-issued by Harvey Comics from 1992 to 1994.
(I avoid editing templates, etc. outside my own WikiProject areas, but I wanted to throw this out for consideration.) ~ TampAGS ( talk) 08:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, why should we shorten names? I suppose in some cases it's fine, such as Jim Henson's Muppet Babies and that sort. Of course, a typical reader should know that the links found in template devoted to The Muppets should be related to them, but is that the real reason behind simplifying? Should it even be a reason? Are readers too lazy to read a whole name? Are we saving space in the template?
If this is the case then what's the criteria for shortening? I'll provide some examples.
Secondly, according to the revision history at Template:The Muppets, it has been claimed "that hovering will give the full title" would be sufficient enough to provide readers with the correct name. Well, about mobile users? Are we supposed to alienate them?
Edits will be reverted until there is a firm consensus with logical reasoning presented that explains the sudden change. The issue is open for discussion. ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 23:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
The claim of Jim Henson being the primary person of the surname is an assumption, not a verified fact. Sure, there are few shows that share that name, but what if the readers aren't familiar with that?
←If they have no background knowledge then any way we list articles won't mean a thing to them. The articles are what inform the reader anyways, not the navbox, so long as how they are listed are not ambig. We are not here to inforce some one's artistic view not even with the article title, WP uses common names (it can be the official name too). I didn't know about the Henson Hour when I first came across the navbox, so click on it and found out. Is that so difficult for readers? do you expect every one to address you by your full name (first, middle, last) plus your address title (mr.,mrs., etc.) everytime they say a sentence to you? You are here on WP using a login name not your full on legal name as your parents were making an partly artistic decision in naming you. Spshu ( talk) 14:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)