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This & this edit add two (2) non-existent stations to the PATH system. The WTC line terminates at WTC. It does not continue, as the proposed diagram indicates, to separate stations at IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line OR Chambers Street–World Trade Center/Park Place/Cortlandt Street station. The proposed diagram also eliminates Hudson Terminal, a historical station located east of the WTC station which replaced it. If there is a wish to indicate adjacent lines, the WTC configuration will need to be corrected and the Hudson Terminal station restored (in keeping with the rest of the diagram showing historical stations). The current & correct diagram should not be altered. In general, the additional information generally clutters the line map; the benefit is dubious. Consensus to make such a change should first be gained at this page. Djflem ( talk) 20:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
With regard to Hudson Terminal (am inserting here): Djflem ( talk) 20:43, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
The Dey Street Passageway connects the WTC to the Fulton Center, therefore for correctness and completeness all lines serving the later would then need to be included in the proposed diagram. That would only add more information & (IMO) necessary clutter, further distracting from what portends to be a PATH service line map/diagram. The proposed template has more information about OTHER than what should necessarily be the FOCUS, the PATH system itself.
(Additionally, a former passageway under 33rd between 6th & 7th avenues (at Hotel Pennsylvania) connects the 7th Ave IRT/33rd Street (34th St/Herald Square) stations. Known as the Pennsylvania Passageway or Gimbels Passageway [1] [2] [3] [4]. While not in use, it was originally part of the PATH/PRR system, and would likely need be addressed as a historical connection to Penn Station for the sake of completeness and correctness.) Djflem ( talk) 07:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi all- I would like to propose removing some stations from the diagram, as they were not operational or even extant at the time PATH began operating as a service in 1962. I also propose creating a separate H&M Railroad template to preserve that information. While these stations (28th St, 19th St, Hudson Term., Manhattan Transfer, and the Park Pl branch) certainly belong in a H&M template, I do not believe they belong in a PATH template, since they have never seen PATH service. As far as I am aware, this is the standard for inclusion in a rail service template.
WMSR (
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04:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC) edited 04:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose, considering a few points:
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help)1962 is an artificial date. The rail system never seized operations. Its name was changed. The current template shows both contemporary stations and historical stations of that system. Keeping Hudson Terminal, and not others is arbitrary. Historical stations, ones that actually existed should certainly bear as much weight as ones that are recently proposed and have never existed other than on paper (and may or may not be built). Because of the size of the system they all fit well into the current template and support the subject of the article: the rail(road) system once called H&M and now named PATH. Additional templates introducing information not covered in the body of the text serve to distract rather than suppport what it is about.(Incidentally, Category:Chicago 'L' line templates do have current lines in which historical stations are shown.) Djflem ( talk) 20:46, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 18:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:PATH line map →
Template:H&M Railroad – This template contains stations that did not exist by the time PATH was inaugurated as a service. I propose this template be moved to H&M Railroad and a new template be created which shows only present and former PATH stations.
WMSR (
talk)
18:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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This & this edit add two (2) non-existent stations to the PATH system. The WTC line terminates at WTC. It does not continue, as the proposed diagram indicates, to separate stations at IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line OR Chambers Street–World Trade Center/Park Place/Cortlandt Street station. The proposed diagram also eliminates Hudson Terminal, a historical station located east of the WTC station which replaced it. If there is a wish to indicate adjacent lines, the WTC configuration will need to be corrected and the Hudson Terminal station restored (in keeping with the rest of the diagram showing historical stations). The current & correct diagram should not be altered. In general, the additional information generally clutters the line map; the benefit is dubious. Consensus to make such a change should first be gained at this page. Djflem ( talk) 20:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
With regard to Hudson Terminal (am inserting here): Djflem ( talk) 20:43, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
The Dey Street Passageway connects the WTC to the Fulton Center, therefore for correctness and completeness all lines serving the later would then need to be included in the proposed diagram. That would only add more information & (IMO) necessary clutter, further distracting from what portends to be a PATH service line map/diagram. The proposed template has more information about OTHER than what should necessarily be the FOCUS, the PATH system itself.
(Additionally, a former passageway under 33rd between 6th & 7th avenues (at Hotel Pennsylvania) connects the 7th Ave IRT/33rd Street (34th St/Herald Square) stations. Known as the Pennsylvania Passageway or Gimbels Passageway [1] [2] [3] [4]. While not in use, it was originally part of the PATH/PRR system, and would likely need be addressed as a historical connection to Penn Station for the sake of completeness and correctness.) Djflem ( talk) 07:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi all- I would like to propose removing some stations from the diagram, as they were not operational or even extant at the time PATH began operating as a service in 1962. I also propose creating a separate H&M Railroad template to preserve that information. While these stations (28th St, 19th St, Hudson Term., Manhattan Transfer, and the Park Pl branch) certainly belong in a H&M template, I do not believe they belong in a PATH template, since they have never seen PATH service. As far as I am aware, this is the standard for inclusion in a rail service template.
WMSR (
talk)
04:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC) edited 04:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Oppose, considering a few points:
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cite news}}
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help)1962 is an artificial date. The rail system never seized operations. Its name was changed. The current template shows both contemporary stations and historical stations of that system. Keeping Hudson Terminal, and not others is arbitrary. Historical stations, ones that actually existed should certainly bear as much weight as ones that are recently proposed and have never existed other than on paper (and may or may not be built). Because of the size of the system they all fit well into the current template and support the subject of the article: the rail(road) system once called H&M and now named PATH. Additional templates introducing information not covered in the body of the text serve to distract rather than suppport what it is about.(Incidentally, Category:Chicago 'L' line templates do have current lines in which historical stations are shown.) Djflem ( talk) 20:46, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 18:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:PATH line map →
Template:H&M Railroad – This template contains stations that did not exist by the time PATH was inaugurated as a service. I propose this template be moved to H&M Railroad and a new template be created which shows only present and former PATH stations.
WMSR (
talk)
18:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)