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be added as a template parameter. soibangla ( talk) 18:11, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed this, but the "Availability" section of this Infobox is showing up on articles where there is no data to show (defunct channels). I don't remember this occurring before. One example is Cable Music Channel. If this was already brought up, disregard my post. Msw1002 ( talk) 05:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Raymie, I found an article today using both |web=
and |website=
, and there was no warning of conflicting parameters. It looks like if just one is used, there is no problem. If both are used, the value in website is used (which may be blank) and overrides whatever is in web=. Not sure if there are other parameters with potential conflicts. If there are just a few articles using web=, we could find and fix them and deprecate the para. Or we (you) could add the conflicting para code here.
MB
01:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
|web=
? There are also a couple other parameters with aliases: |tv_stations=
/|tv_transmitters=
(without underscore), |image_alt=
and |alt=
, and |language=
/|languages=
.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
01:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Sammi Brie, I was thinking about this again. What will Primebot do? I thought it only removed deprecated template parameters. In this case, it can't remove web or website since either could have a good value. Does it do more? Like only remove a para if it has no value. That would, hopefully, leave a small number article for manual cleanup. MB 15:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
|website=
(or just keep website if web is also populated).
Primefac (
talk)
10:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
|webcast=
parameter which then leads to ambiguity to what |web=
was the editor referring to. And we all know editors always manage to surprise us.
Gonnym (
talk)
08:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
|web=
and only use |website=
. But to do this properly, we have to manually determined what value to use in any articles that use currently have a value in both parameters. We shouldn't just blindly remove |web=
. I believe
Primefac is saying he can 1) remove web= if it is empty, 2) move values from web= to website= if website= is empty, 3) do nothing if both have values. After the bot run, anything left can be fixed manually.
MB
16:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
|webcast=
. If that is all there are/were, |web=
can be completely removed now.
MB
15:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC) 0 left in
Category:Pages using infobox television channel with parameter web but I'm tired and headed to bed. Once those are done |web=
can be formally removed.
Primefac (
talk)
21:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding an "awards" parameter where awards received by the TV station/channel can appear listed in the infobox. Mercy11 ( talk) 03:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Should the Availability section of the template be removed? Gotitbro ( talk) 16:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Wikipedical, Favre1fan93, and Nathan Obral:
I'm proposing a three-fold implementation schedule:
|webcast=
parameter, which arrived in 2020 and thus underused) before their removal.Does this work out? If so, I will ask PrimeBOT to make the change. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Just saw this implemented; agreement that this has been needed for years. I'm ready to see the 'channel vandals' who threw in local cable positions or false satellite positions and ignored multiple warnings that we're not Channel Guide magazine either leave in frustration or be ignored because their template edits now scream into the void. I'm also ready for the multiple online services (or ones which use us to SPAM their illegal services) to be removed; I'm tired of having to remove randomly popping up "Jim Bob's 100% I Promise Legal TV Streamin' Service for Wrassling" crap, or for like Newsmax TV, stream free on so many services that it's obnoxious when you can just say 'multiple services' in article text and be done with it. Eventually, there's going to be a big shakeout with satellite and cable and rerun channels as wireline fades away, and I'd rather not have to spend needless editing time removing things or detailing that 'on September 39th, 2024, DirecTV dumped Military History and Lifetime Real Women'. Nate • ( chatter) 01:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Does this edit follow this consensus? Seem to be similar strings https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=BBC_One&diff=1071809389&oldid=1071751528 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.25.197 ( talk) 15:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Wikipedical: @ Favre1fan93: @ Sammi Brie: @ Mrschimpf: @ Primefac:
Many thanks to @ Gotitbro: - although not an issue I discussed before, I did get feelings that these channel infoboxes were too cluttered. Probably very overdue but good to see the new cleaner format!
However, I think that it would be best to remove the terrestrial as well. I don't see any reason at all to keep one parameter while removing the others - either keep all or remove all. I just checked RT (TV network) and Channel One Russia, and it just does not look right to have a single listing for terrestrial and not others. @ Nathan Obral: commented to keep Freeview channels but why? Wikipedia is global, not just to suit the UK's viewpoint. There are plenty of countries where terrestrial plays little role in broadcasting compared to the UK.
I Strongly support the removal of the terrestrial parameter as well. What do you all think? -- Jf81 ( talk) 12:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Again, I feel like this needs to have some kind of limit, or just be removed entirely; with the Warner Bros. Discovery merger done, it became immediate to add more slurry to infoboxes like Discovery Family, where really the only related network in its genre is Cartoon Network, but you have every Discovery and Turner channel now listed in the box parameter. I removed another example in Discovery Familia where TBS, HBO and CNN were thrown in, along with every Discovery network and took it down to just the true sister and genre-related channels.
But really...outside a few outliers and unique cases, bottom templates now hold links to these sister networks, and it's become duplicative, and because there isn't a limit to the parameter, it often holds as much information as the corporate template alone. It should be removed...but I also know the m.wiki version doesn't show footer templates, so it's about balancing both audiences, I'm sure. Nate • ( chatter) 04:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
List only the most relevant. If there are too many, consider finding an appropriate navbox.That said, the point about massive mobile audiences really does remain here. I'm not sure what to do, but removing this parameter is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, even if there's a LOT of bathwater. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Another related thing just noticed on E!; the move of Category:Former WarnerMedia subsidiaries to Category:Former Warner Bros. Discovery subsidiaries. The category appropriately started as Category:Former Time Warner subsidiaries, which it should have remained until it was moved to the WM title last year, but now we have things like QUBE, Warner Music Group, and the Atlanta Braves which long ago left the Time Warner fold and are decades separated from WBD (or in QUBE's case, predated Discovery, Inc.) under this completely mis-named category, and I have no idea how to fix it. Nate • ( chatter) 20:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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be added as a template parameter. soibangla ( talk) 18:11, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed this, but the "Availability" section of this Infobox is showing up on articles where there is no data to show (defunct channels). I don't remember this occurring before. One example is Cable Music Channel. If this was already brought up, disregard my post. Msw1002 ( talk) 05:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Raymie, I found an article today using both |web=
and |website=
, and there was no warning of conflicting parameters. It looks like if just one is used, there is no problem. If both are used, the value in website is used (which may be blank) and overrides whatever is in web=. Not sure if there are other parameters with potential conflicts. If there are just a few articles using web=, we could find and fix them and deprecate the para. Or we (you) could add the conflicting para code here.
MB
01:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
|web=
? There are also a couple other parameters with aliases: |tv_stations=
/|tv_transmitters=
(without underscore), |image_alt=
and |alt=
, and |language=
/|languages=
.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
01:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Sammi Brie, I was thinking about this again. What will Primebot do? I thought it only removed deprecated template parameters. In this case, it can't remove web or website since either could have a good value. Does it do more? Like only remove a para if it has no value. That would, hopefully, leave a small number article for manual cleanup. MB 15:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
|website=
(or just keep website if web is also populated).
Primefac (
talk)
10:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
|webcast=
parameter which then leads to ambiguity to what |web=
was the editor referring to. And we all know editors always manage to surprise us.
Gonnym (
talk)
08:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
|web=
and only use |website=
. But to do this properly, we have to manually determined what value to use in any articles that use currently have a value in both parameters. We shouldn't just blindly remove |web=
. I believe
Primefac is saying he can 1) remove web= if it is empty, 2) move values from web= to website= if website= is empty, 3) do nothing if both have values. After the bot run, anything left can be fixed manually.
MB
16:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
|webcast=
. If that is all there are/were, |web=
can be completely removed now.
MB
15:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC) 0 left in
Category:Pages using infobox television channel with parameter web but I'm tired and headed to bed. Once those are done |web=
can be formally removed.
Primefac (
talk)
21:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding an "awards" parameter where awards received by the TV station/channel can appear listed in the infobox. Mercy11 ( talk) 03:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Should the Availability section of the template be removed? Gotitbro ( talk) 16:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Gotitbro, Wikipedical, Favre1fan93, and Nathan Obral:
I'm proposing a three-fold implementation schedule:
|webcast=
parameter, which arrived in 2020 and thus underused) before their removal.Does this work out? If so, I will ask PrimeBOT to make the change. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Just saw this implemented; agreement that this has been needed for years. I'm ready to see the 'channel vandals' who threw in local cable positions or false satellite positions and ignored multiple warnings that we're not Channel Guide magazine either leave in frustration or be ignored because their template edits now scream into the void. I'm also ready for the multiple online services (or ones which use us to SPAM their illegal services) to be removed; I'm tired of having to remove randomly popping up "Jim Bob's 100% I Promise Legal TV Streamin' Service for Wrassling" crap, or for like Newsmax TV, stream free on so many services that it's obnoxious when you can just say 'multiple services' in article text and be done with it. Eventually, there's going to be a big shakeout with satellite and cable and rerun channels as wireline fades away, and I'd rather not have to spend needless editing time removing things or detailing that 'on September 39th, 2024, DirecTV dumped Military History and Lifetime Real Women'. Nate • ( chatter) 01:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Does this edit follow this consensus? Seem to be similar strings https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=BBC_One&diff=1071809389&oldid=1071751528 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.25.197 ( talk) 15:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Wikipedical: @ Favre1fan93: @ Sammi Brie: @ Mrschimpf: @ Primefac:
Many thanks to @ Gotitbro: - although not an issue I discussed before, I did get feelings that these channel infoboxes were too cluttered. Probably very overdue but good to see the new cleaner format!
However, I think that it would be best to remove the terrestrial as well. I don't see any reason at all to keep one parameter while removing the others - either keep all or remove all. I just checked RT (TV network) and Channel One Russia, and it just does not look right to have a single listing for terrestrial and not others. @ Nathan Obral: commented to keep Freeview channels but why? Wikipedia is global, not just to suit the UK's viewpoint. There are plenty of countries where terrestrial plays little role in broadcasting compared to the UK.
I Strongly support the removal of the terrestrial parameter as well. What do you all think? -- Jf81 ( talk) 12:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Again, I feel like this needs to have some kind of limit, or just be removed entirely; with the Warner Bros. Discovery merger done, it became immediate to add more slurry to infoboxes like Discovery Family, where really the only related network in its genre is Cartoon Network, but you have every Discovery and Turner channel now listed in the box parameter. I removed another example in Discovery Familia where TBS, HBO and CNN were thrown in, along with every Discovery network and took it down to just the true sister and genre-related channels.
But really...outside a few outliers and unique cases, bottom templates now hold links to these sister networks, and it's become duplicative, and because there isn't a limit to the parameter, it often holds as much information as the corporate template alone. It should be removed...but I also know the m.wiki version doesn't show footer templates, so it's about balancing both audiences, I'm sure. Nate • ( chatter) 04:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
List only the most relevant. If there are too many, consider finding an appropriate navbox.That said, the point about massive mobile audiences really does remain here. I'm not sure what to do, but removing this parameter is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, even if there's a LOT of bathwater. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Another related thing just noticed on E!; the move of Category:Former WarnerMedia subsidiaries to Category:Former Warner Bros. Discovery subsidiaries. The category appropriately started as Category:Former Time Warner subsidiaries, which it should have remained until it was moved to the WM title last year, but now we have things like QUBE, Warner Music Group, and the Atlanta Braves which long ago left the Time Warner fold and are decades separated from WBD (or in QUBE's case, predated Discovery, Inc.) under this completely mis-named category, and I have no idea how to fix it. Nate • ( chatter) 20:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)