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Are several articles using these parameters? These have been abused lately, and if it's not that being used that much, we can get rid of this. – H T D 08:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Quick question! Should it be input as HDTV ( 1080i) or 1080i ( HDTV)? I'm referring to what goes in the parentheses. – Recollected • 03:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Have none of you looked at the documentation? It's actually neither - it's " HDTV 1080i", and that doesn't change unless you can get consensus on it. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 16:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
The video or film format in which the show is or was originally recorded or broadcast. (
Black-and-white,
Film,
405-line,
NTSC (
480i),
PAL (
576i),
SECAM (
576i),
HDTV (
720p),
HDTV (
1080i),
HDTV (
1080p). Do not use "
SDTV" as it is ambiguous.)
to make it consistent. I think we can agree on this without making a big MOS RfC out of it, don't you all?
Technical 13 (
talk)
18:03, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the difference between House and Banshee, that the House infobox has grey headers and Banshee has the normal purple ones? I can't see any hidden code in there, but the grey is much more presentable than the purple. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dishonored's FA nom! 14:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
|style=color: #RRGGBB
parameter in the main template, could you? I'd like to understand this. I'm guessing there was a color dispute over which colors those series should have and /colour is more highly protected to prevent changing those colors, is this correct?
Technical 13 (
talk)
18:22, 25 January 2014 (UTC)There's a slow edit war at Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey over the episode count in the infobox. Per the instructions here and reviewing the page discussions, "num_episodes" seems to be mention to only indicate for a running series how many episodes have aired, but here's a case that we know there are 13 completed episodes, it's a miniseries with a fixed end. It does not make sense to say, as of its premiere episode that "num_episodes" is just "1". People have been trying to use "13 (1 aired)" an approach I've seen elsewhere on less-significant TV series where there is a source for the number of episodes that are planned or have been produced, which seems a fair balance for this, but this keeps getting reverted by people citing this page. I think we need more consideration on this field as the "number of aired episodes" is not really a useful detail on its own. -- MASEM ( t) 14:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello could add a parameter, to place on other channels. I say this telenovela Articles.-- GeorgeMilan (Talk) 01:47, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Under "TemplateData" two parameters seem to be switched. "Native Name" has "genre" and "Genre" has "native_name_lang". Yes, people should realize the mistake but why make it harder. Jaguar766 ( talk) 18:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
For shows like Futurama, Family Guy, Dr Who and The Comeback which have had substantial gaps in productions after being cancelled the first aired and last aired dates are not very helpful. The Doctor Who infobox is a shambles with it having both 26 series and then seven seasons (even though the British term is series for that as well) and the editors of that page have adapted by using their own headings, date fields, line breaks, etc. The Comeback (TV series) lasted for one short series in 2005 before being cancelled and is allegedly being renewed this year.
I believe that in cases where a show has been cancelled and off the air for a long time a "second aired" or a "subsequently aired" or "revival aired" option would be useful in a summary box. The "subsequently aired" option could easily be defined with a variable so that a second cancellation and a long gap followed by a new revival would obviate the need for a "third aired" in future. I am sure others could easily define a reasonable standard for when a show would qualify, such as being renewed after being cancelled or off the air for several years. Waerloeg ( talk) 00:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
After seeing this edit at the MOS, I thought it wise to drop by here to take a look at the parameter instructions for last_aired. I think they need to be clarified, because in common usage, and per WikiProject Television consensus, the last_aired value typically represents a cancellation, and we have for a long time been requiring that cancellations be sourced, either in the article prose, or in the infobox. Kids' shows don't get a lot of press about cancellation, instead they just don't get picked up and quietly fizzle into obscurity. I propose a simple change to the prose, my additions are in bold:
Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 17:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I was hoping to get some clarification on the Company parameter, and propose we modify the explanatory text in this template accordingly. Currently the Company parameter reads: "The names of the production companies." Nice and vague. I noticed this edit, which added Titmouse to the company parameter (Titmouse is credited in the series with "Animation Production Services"). Is the purpose of the Company parameter to list all of the companies that may have contributed to the production, (ex: the literal "production", or manifestation, of the animation) or only the companies that funded the production as a producer might do? I see this all the time in animation articles, where a project somehow becomes a co-production because Company A financed it, and Company B did the animation, and it's never really been made clear what qualifies something as a co-production. The side-effect of this, is that often series becomes pegged as a multinational project (ex: "XYZ series is an American/Canadian production), which is sort of accurate, but not for the reasons we think. Some American cars have Japanese engines, for example. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 21:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
How can we indicate that the programme is not currently airing but that we don't know its last date? See Buying Naked. No evidence on the channel's website, so not currently running. But leaving "last aired" blank, or entering "unknown" both come up with "Currently airing". What's the equivalent of "Date of death missing"? Or perhaps this article just needs to be nuked as its only source is the Daily Mail. Pam D 07:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
|status=
parameter, but that was used to show if it was currently airing or not (to editors, not the public). Perhaps that can be returned or possibly even a category to show such statuses (again, even if hidden)? —
Wylie
pedia
10:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)The existence of two parameters that can easily be confused with each other has led to repeated discussion here. I propose that:
This seems largely consistent with existing usage (in some cases the usage seems to be reversed, but it seems that literary genres should take precedence in this regard). Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 17:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Dogmatic, I'm not sure if anybody told you this when you were topic banned from Microsoft articles, but nobody at Wikipedia is required to answer questions to your satisfaction. In fact, we're not required to answer you at all. We assume good faith of the n00bz, but we are also human, so when a presumably intelligent and articulate person such as yourself continues to ask baited and impatient questions, or demonstrates a frequent inability to contribute constructively without vilifying others, or is prone to passive-aggressive templating, or drawing members into needlessly tedious and condescending arguments, at some point it ain't worth talking to you. Wikipedia is not therapy so whatever your deal is, figure it out with a professional, figure it out on your own, or at least make believe you are capable of playing nicely in the sandbox with the other children in public. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi would like to know if you can add a parameter that says "slogan", There are many dramas and series that have slogans, such as " Do you believe in them... I do not believe in men?". I do not know if you understand what I'm saying, but I think this parameter would be good, or already exists?.-- Damián (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
|preceded_by=
, |followed_by=
or |related=
parameters,
[2] despite an attempt to explain on his talk page.
[3] He still seems to think scheduling is relevant and has even told me that telenovelas are not TV series.
[4]
[5] One of the issues was the massive violation of
WP:REDNOT, which I fixed.
[6] I later tagged the entire cast section for cleanup,
[7] which resulted in the
WP:REDNOT violations being restored.
[8] Until such time as we can get somebody to converse in Damián's own language, I don't think we're going to resolve the motto problem.
Hi guys, Does anyone know what in the code defines the colour of the template? For example Breaking Bad has a green top, while Firefly has a gold top, but both use infobox television. Thanks for your help. The Free Editor Anyone Can Cite ( talk) 01:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
|bgcolour=
, which uses
web colors in hex code format. —
Wylie
pedia
01:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
|bgcolour=
is deprecated. One of the reasons that
Template:Infobox television/colour exists is that some TV series had well established colours and there were a limited number of exceptions made so that these series could continue to use colours. The series listed in
Template:Infobox television/colour should be the only series using colour in the infobox. Editors need to establish consensus to add colour, in which case the series will be added to
Template:Infobox television/colour. Colour shouldn't be manually added to infoboxes using the parameters which are deliberately NOT documented for this reason.
Category:Television articles that use colour in the infobox is used to track articles using colour in the infobox. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
05:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Frietjes, you left the category code in the template - not to mention the category itself. Both should be deleted. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 15:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Empty tracking categories are allowed, its empty article categories that aren't. The point of a tracking and maintenance category is to be there at all times so that it's subject can be tracked. - X201 ( talk) 17:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I'm going to open an RFC about the genre/format parameters. Here are the current options on the table:
Anybody want to add other options before I open the RFC? I can't remember exactly what the other preferences were for handling this, and I ain't about to sift through that brain-hurting text wall again. I'll wait 24 hours or so to get some other options. In the interest of keeping this section short, please limit your response to a simple option proposal. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The Format and Genre parameters of Template:Infobox television have long been confusing and previous attempts to clear up the confusion have not been successful.
The format parameter was the first of the two parameters to be created for the infobox. In 2005, a user proposed that format be changed to genre, on the basis that format is ambiguous. The lack of clarity about what format means, has existed ever since. A user once explained that format refers to the medium of the show: Live Action, Broadway Play, Animation, etc. But is that actually the case? Is Soap Opera a format or a genre? Is tape a format? Is Reality TV a format? Police procedural? Magazine news program? And does the average editor understand the difference? There was a time when the format parameter was removed from the template, but it re-appeared, and has been in place for a decade. The format parameter is not commonly used today. The template docs cryptically explain it as "the format of the show". Our reliable sources (ex: Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic) tend to lump format and genre together under "genre" for example here, where the genre for SpongeBob is "Comedy, Animation, Kids".
Thank you for your input. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 05:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
|writer=
parameter say "Do not use if the show has many (5+) writers". If a parameter has too many entries, it's better to address it in the prose with a single link to the section in the infobox. We tend to ignore this principle only in the list of stars. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
09:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Genre should be limited to 2 at most, the main genre. The film articles only use the main genre, video games use the main genre(s). The inclusion of some genres is very liberal. According to House (TV series) is a dramedy, a medical drama, and a mystery. Having some humour doesn't make it a dramedy or a comedy, medical drama covers the show aptly, and mystery? Similarly Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a supernatural drama, a horror, action, and fantasy show. Supernatural drama covers the majority of the show, horror would probably be ok as well although i question if it wouldn't fall under Supernatural drama. In fact, the article on supernatural drama states that the show is marketed as supernatural drama and only incorporates elements of horror. And action? Having some fight scenes doesn't make it a primarily action-oriented show. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 09:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I've implemented the above change in the template itself. All of the articles at Category:Articles passing format parameter to Infobox television need to be fixed, either by replacing the format parameter with the genre parameter, or by removing it entirely. Jackmcbarn ( talk) 02:05, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
What you expect to see | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Network | Teletoon |
Release | March 1, 2014 present | –
What the instructions say | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Network | Cartoon Network |
Release | April 9, 2014 present | –
There are some contradictory instructions for some of the important parameters in this infobox. These are (with emphasis added for clarity):
Parameter | Explanation |
---|---|
channel or network | The original channel(s) or network(s) on which the show has appeared. Do not add foreign broadcasters here. |
first_run | The country or region where the show was first broadcast. |
first_aired | Date the show first aired on its original channel or network. |
last_aired | The first airdate of the show's last episode on its original channel or network. |
This causes a problem at TV series such as
The Tom and Jerry Show (2014 TV series). The series is American but first aired in Canada so
Teletoon is a foreign broadcaster and therefore should not be in the |channel=
field. Instead this should be
Cartoon Network. Similarly, because |first_aired=
and |last_aired=
specify the "original channel", the US dates should be used in those fields. Including "Canada" in |first_run=
per the instructions is misleading as the average reader would expect to see Canadian information, given Canada's location in the middle of the section and since that is where it first aired. The instructions either need to be rewritten, or the parameter relocated so that it's clear that the data is local and the foreign location is just a note. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
08:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
If first run is different than Country of Origin | |
---|---|
Original channel | Cartoon Network |
Original run | April 9, 2014 | – present
First shown in | Canada on
Teletoon March 1, 2014 – present |
If first run is not different than Country of Origin | |
---|---|
Original channel | NBC |
Original run | January 1, 2014 | – present
|first_run=
, then add one for the country's channel, and then one each for the start and end dates. And do note that the order they appear in the infobox will have to be adjusted to be clear as well (as I did in my mock up). -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
05:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
_foreign
to existing names seems rather simple and makes the intent of the parameters obvious, so we'd end up with first_aired_foreign
, last_aired_foreign
, channel_foreign
and network_foreign
. If we use your suggestion, network_foreign
would simply be an alias for channel_foreign
and used only for consistency with current parameters. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
05:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
|channel=
or |network=
, |first_aired=
, |last_aired=
, |first_run=
, |first_run_channel=
(or network. either or, or both), |first_run_first_aired=
and |first_run_last_aired=
. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
06:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
@ AussieLegend: Do you feel we can implement this? Are you able to do so? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
How about a {{
Film date}}-type addition, used with a film's |release
parameter? I.e.: {{Film date|2014|6|24|Canada}}
returns:
That way, it shows where it first aired while retaining the original (normal) airing country's format (first run, last aired, channel)? Or Favre1fan93's previous suggestion. I'm sleepy, thus flexible. (EDIT: Or add a date to the second blue box's Canada up top? So it would say "First shown in: Canada (March 1, 2014)" as suggested.) — Wylie pedia 16:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
User:AussieLegend, User:Favre1fan93, User:Bignole, User:Cyphoidbomb, and User:CAWylie: can we finally deal with this at some point? Personally, I would simply drop the first_run parameter altogether, since such a fact can simply be noted outside the infobox instead, and the alternative addition of several parameters serves merely to clutter up the template from my point of view. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 03:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Please refer to the discussion above prior to stating an opinion. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 15:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
I think requiring citations for genres is a bit overkill the way it's implemented here. If sources and the body of the article reinforce a particular genre then I don't see why you would need to provide citations after the genres listed in the infobox. Subgenres I can see, but the way its being required here is a bit silly. 23W ( talk · stalk)
Could I get a few opinions about the order of the stars in TV series infobox at Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#Starring_order_in_Infobox. The statement that: "Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show" seems clear to me, but one editor doesn't want to add the new people at the end. I think the policy should be adhered to for consistency unless there is justification and a consensus to change. AbramTerger ( talk) 14:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I hope that I can understand. You could add a parameter that says "Slogan" for articles of soap operas. In the picture I put a screenshot for you to see what I mean. Take it from the article in wikipedia in Spanish. All operas have slogan, and I think it would be good to place in the template. And I say this only so that they are used in articles of telenovelas. Since operas are those most using the slogan. And it is not a method of advertising or something as well. Could you allow this parameter?.-- McVeigh (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
This is really minor, but it seems there's two spaces inserted between the first aired parameter and the en dash. You can tell as you can highlight two spaces with your mouse between them. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 16:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
-- [[
User:Edokter]] {{
talk}}
16:59, 25 October 2014 (UTC)![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Infobox television has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I would like to request that the "first_run" parameter be removed from this template per the recent WP:RFC and Wikipedia:Silence and consensus. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 17:41, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
format
. RfC outcomes are not binding and, for the record, I'd disagree with its removal so there is no consensus to remove it. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
17:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
17:56, 25 October 2014 (UTC)![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Infobox television has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hello Wikipedia, I request that in the Infobox television that we add a Art Director because most animated shows have Art Directors more that Directors also Live Shows sometimes have Art Directors. 64.228.75.199 ( talk) 20:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. When making requests like this please link the discussion where the change was agreed. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
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Are several articles using these parameters? These have been abused lately, and if it's not that being used that much, we can get rid of this. – H T D 08:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Quick question! Should it be input as HDTV ( 1080i) or 1080i ( HDTV)? I'm referring to what goes in the parentheses. – Recollected • 03:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Have none of you looked at the documentation? It's actually neither - it's " HDTV 1080i", and that doesn't change unless you can get consensus on it. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 16:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
The video or film format in which the show is or was originally recorded or broadcast. (
Black-and-white,
Film,
405-line,
NTSC (
480i),
PAL (
576i),
SECAM (
576i),
HDTV (
720p),
HDTV (
1080i),
HDTV (
1080p). Do not use "
SDTV" as it is ambiguous.)
to make it consistent. I think we can agree on this without making a big MOS RfC out of it, don't you all?
Technical 13 (
talk)
18:03, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the difference between House and Banshee, that the House infobox has grey headers and Banshee has the normal purple ones? I can't see any hidden code in there, but the grey is much more presentable than the purple. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dishonored's FA nom! 14:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
|style=color: #RRGGBB
parameter in the main template, could you? I'd like to understand this. I'm guessing there was a color dispute over which colors those series should have and /colour is more highly protected to prevent changing those colors, is this correct?
Technical 13 (
talk)
18:22, 25 January 2014 (UTC)There's a slow edit war at Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey over the episode count in the infobox. Per the instructions here and reviewing the page discussions, "num_episodes" seems to be mention to only indicate for a running series how many episodes have aired, but here's a case that we know there are 13 completed episodes, it's a miniseries with a fixed end. It does not make sense to say, as of its premiere episode that "num_episodes" is just "1". People have been trying to use "13 (1 aired)" an approach I've seen elsewhere on less-significant TV series where there is a source for the number of episodes that are planned or have been produced, which seems a fair balance for this, but this keeps getting reverted by people citing this page. I think we need more consideration on this field as the "number of aired episodes" is not really a useful detail on its own. -- MASEM ( t) 14:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello could add a parameter, to place on other channels. I say this telenovela Articles.-- GeorgeMilan (Talk) 01:47, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Under "TemplateData" two parameters seem to be switched. "Native Name" has "genre" and "Genre" has "native_name_lang". Yes, people should realize the mistake but why make it harder. Jaguar766 ( talk) 18:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
For shows like Futurama, Family Guy, Dr Who and The Comeback which have had substantial gaps in productions after being cancelled the first aired and last aired dates are not very helpful. The Doctor Who infobox is a shambles with it having both 26 series and then seven seasons (even though the British term is series for that as well) and the editors of that page have adapted by using their own headings, date fields, line breaks, etc. The Comeback (TV series) lasted for one short series in 2005 before being cancelled and is allegedly being renewed this year.
I believe that in cases where a show has been cancelled and off the air for a long time a "second aired" or a "subsequently aired" or "revival aired" option would be useful in a summary box. The "subsequently aired" option could easily be defined with a variable so that a second cancellation and a long gap followed by a new revival would obviate the need for a "third aired" in future. I am sure others could easily define a reasonable standard for when a show would qualify, such as being renewed after being cancelled or off the air for several years. Waerloeg ( talk) 00:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
After seeing this edit at the MOS, I thought it wise to drop by here to take a look at the parameter instructions for last_aired. I think they need to be clarified, because in common usage, and per WikiProject Television consensus, the last_aired value typically represents a cancellation, and we have for a long time been requiring that cancellations be sourced, either in the article prose, or in the infobox. Kids' shows don't get a lot of press about cancellation, instead they just don't get picked up and quietly fizzle into obscurity. I propose a simple change to the prose, my additions are in bold:
Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 17:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I was hoping to get some clarification on the Company parameter, and propose we modify the explanatory text in this template accordingly. Currently the Company parameter reads: "The names of the production companies." Nice and vague. I noticed this edit, which added Titmouse to the company parameter (Titmouse is credited in the series with "Animation Production Services"). Is the purpose of the Company parameter to list all of the companies that may have contributed to the production, (ex: the literal "production", or manifestation, of the animation) or only the companies that funded the production as a producer might do? I see this all the time in animation articles, where a project somehow becomes a co-production because Company A financed it, and Company B did the animation, and it's never really been made clear what qualifies something as a co-production. The side-effect of this, is that often series becomes pegged as a multinational project (ex: "XYZ series is an American/Canadian production), which is sort of accurate, but not for the reasons we think. Some American cars have Japanese engines, for example. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 21:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
How can we indicate that the programme is not currently airing but that we don't know its last date? See Buying Naked. No evidence on the channel's website, so not currently running. But leaving "last aired" blank, or entering "unknown" both come up with "Currently airing". What's the equivalent of "Date of death missing"? Or perhaps this article just needs to be nuked as its only source is the Daily Mail. Pam D 07:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
|status=
parameter, but that was used to show if it was currently airing or not (to editors, not the public). Perhaps that can be returned or possibly even a category to show such statuses (again, even if hidden)? —
Wylie
pedia
10:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)The existence of two parameters that can easily be confused with each other has led to repeated discussion here. I propose that:
This seems largely consistent with existing usage (in some cases the usage seems to be reversed, but it seems that literary genres should take precedence in this regard). Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 17:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Dogmatic, I'm not sure if anybody told you this when you were topic banned from Microsoft articles, but nobody at Wikipedia is required to answer questions to your satisfaction. In fact, we're not required to answer you at all. We assume good faith of the n00bz, but we are also human, so when a presumably intelligent and articulate person such as yourself continues to ask baited and impatient questions, or demonstrates a frequent inability to contribute constructively without vilifying others, or is prone to passive-aggressive templating, or drawing members into needlessly tedious and condescending arguments, at some point it ain't worth talking to you. Wikipedia is not therapy so whatever your deal is, figure it out with a professional, figure it out on your own, or at least make believe you are capable of playing nicely in the sandbox with the other children in public. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi would like to know if you can add a parameter that says "slogan", There are many dramas and series that have slogans, such as " Do you believe in them... I do not believe in men?". I do not know if you understand what I'm saying, but I think this parameter would be good, or already exists?.-- Damián (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
|preceded_by=
, |followed_by=
or |related=
parameters,
[2] despite an attempt to explain on his talk page.
[3] He still seems to think scheduling is relevant and has even told me that telenovelas are not TV series.
[4]
[5] One of the issues was the massive violation of
WP:REDNOT, which I fixed.
[6] I later tagged the entire cast section for cleanup,
[7] which resulted in the
WP:REDNOT violations being restored.
[8] Until such time as we can get somebody to converse in Damián's own language, I don't think we're going to resolve the motto problem.
Hi guys, Does anyone know what in the code defines the colour of the template? For example Breaking Bad has a green top, while Firefly has a gold top, but both use infobox television. Thanks for your help. The Free Editor Anyone Can Cite ( talk) 01:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
|bgcolour=
, which uses
web colors in hex code format. —
Wylie
pedia
01:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
|bgcolour=
is deprecated. One of the reasons that
Template:Infobox television/colour exists is that some TV series had well established colours and there were a limited number of exceptions made so that these series could continue to use colours. The series listed in
Template:Infobox television/colour should be the only series using colour in the infobox. Editors need to establish consensus to add colour, in which case the series will be added to
Template:Infobox television/colour. Colour shouldn't be manually added to infoboxes using the parameters which are deliberately NOT documented for this reason.
Category:Television articles that use colour in the infobox is used to track articles using colour in the infobox. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
05:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Frietjes, you left the category code in the template - not to mention the category itself. Both should be deleted. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 15:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Empty tracking categories are allowed, its empty article categories that aren't. The point of a tracking and maintenance category is to be there at all times so that it's subject can be tracked. - X201 ( talk) 17:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I'm going to open an RFC about the genre/format parameters. Here are the current options on the table:
Anybody want to add other options before I open the RFC? I can't remember exactly what the other preferences were for handling this, and I ain't about to sift through that brain-hurting text wall again. I'll wait 24 hours or so to get some other options. In the interest of keeping this section short, please limit your response to a simple option proposal. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
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The Format and Genre parameters of Template:Infobox television have long been confusing and previous attempts to clear up the confusion have not been successful.
The format parameter was the first of the two parameters to be created for the infobox. In 2005, a user proposed that format be changed to genre, on the basis that format is ambiguous. The lack of clarity about what format means, has existed ever since. A user once explained that format refers to the medium of the show: Live Action, Broadway Play, Animation, etc. But is that actually the case? Is Soap Opera a format or a genre? Is tape a format? Is Reality TV a format? Police procedural? Magazine news program? And does the average editor understand the difference? There was a time when the format parameter was removed from the template, but it re-appeared, and has been in place for a decade. The format parameter is not commonly used today. The template docs cryptically explain it as "the format of the show". Our reliable sources (ex: Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic) tend to lump format and genre together under "genre" for example here, where the genre for SpongeBob is "Comedy, Animation, Kids".
Thank you for your input. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 05:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
|writer=
parameter say "Do not use if the show has many (5+) writers". If a parameter has too many entries, it's better to address it in the prose with a single link to the section in the infobox. We tend to ignore this principle only in the list of stars. --
AussieLegend (
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09:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Genre should be limited to 2 at most, the main genre. The film articles only use the main genre, video games use the main genre(s). The inclusion of some genres is very liberal. According to House (TV series) is a dramedy, a medical drama, and a mystery. Having some humour doesn't make it a dramedy or a comedy, medical drama covers the show aptly, and mystery? Similarly Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a supernatural drama, a horror, action, and fantasy show. Supernatural drama covers the majority of the show, horror would probably be ok as well although i question if it wouldn't fall under Supernatural drama. In fact, the article on supernatural drama states that the show is marketed as supernatural drama and only incorporates elements of horror. And action? Having some fight scenes doesn't make it a primarily action-oriented show. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 09:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I've implemented the above change in the template itself. All of the articles at Category:Articles passing format parameter to Infobox television need to be fixed, either by replacing the format parameter with the genre parameter, or by removing it entirely. Jackmcbarn ( talk) 02:05, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
What you expect to see | |
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Original release | |
Network | Teletoon |
Release | March 1, 2014 present | –
What the instructions say | |
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Original release | |
Network | Cartoon Network |
Release | April 9, 2014 present | –
There are some contradictory instructions for some of the important parameters in this infobox. These are (with emphasis added for clarity):
Parameter | Explanation |
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channel or network | The original channel(s) or network(s) on which the show has appeared. Do not add foreign broadcasters here. |
first_run | The country or region where the show was first broadcast. |
first_aired | Date the show first aired on its original channel or network. |
last_aired | The first airdate of the show's last episode on its original channel or network. |
This causes a problem at TV series such as
The Tom and Jerry Show (2014 TV series). The series is American but first aired in Canada so
Teletoon is a foreign broadcaster and therefore should not be in the |channel=
field. Instead this should be
Cartoon Network. Similarly, because |first_aired=
and |last_aired=
specify the "original channel", the US dates should be used in those fields. Including "Canada" in |first_run=
per the instructions is misleading as the average reader would expect to see Canadian information, given Canada's location in the middle of the section and since that is where it first aired. The instructions either need to be rewritten, or the parameter relocated so that it's clear that the data is local and the foreign location is just a note. --
AussieLegend (
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08:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
If first run is different than Country of Origin | |
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Original channel | Cartoon Network |
Original run | April 9, 2014 | – present
First shown in | Canada on
Teletoon March 1, 2014 – present |
If first run is not different than Country of Origin | |
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Original channel | NBC |
Original run | January 1, 2014 | – present
|first_run=
, then add one for the country's channel, and then one each for the start and end dates. And do note that the order they appear in the infobox will have to be adjusted to be clear as well (as I did in my mock up). -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
05:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
_foreign
to existing names seems rather simple and makes the intent of the parameters obvious, so we'd end up with first_aired_foreign
, last_aired_foreign
, channel_foreign
and network_foreign
. If we use your suggestion, network_foreign
would simply be an alias for channel_foreign
and used only for consistency with current parameters. --
AussieLegend (
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05:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
|channel=
or |network=
, |first_aired=
, |last_aired=
, |first_run=
, |first_run_channel=
(or network. either or, or both), |first_run_first_aired=
and |first_run_last_aired=
. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
06:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
@ AussieLegend: Do you feel we can implement this? Are you able to do so? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
How about a {{
Film date}}-type addition, used with a film's |release
parameter? I.e.: {{Film date|2014|6|24|Canada}}
returns:
That way, it shows where it first aired while retaining the original (normal) airing country's format (first run, last aired, channel)? Or Favre1fan93's previous suggestion. I'm sleepy, thus flexible. (EDIT: Or add a date to the second blue box's Canada up top? So it would say "First shown in: Canada (March 1, 2014)" as suggested.) — Wylie pedia 16:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
User:AussieLegend, User:Favre1fan93, User:Bignole, User:Cyphoidbomb, and User:CAWylie: can we finally deal with this at some point? Personally, I would simply drop the first_run parameter altogether, since such a fact can simply be noted outside the infobox instead, and the alternative addition of several parameters serves merely to clutter up the template from my point of view. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 03:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Please refer to the discussion above prior to stating an opinion. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 15:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
I think requiring citations for genres is a bit overkill the way it's implemented here. If sources and the body of the article reinforce a particular genre then I don't see why you would need to provide citations after the genres listed in the infobox. Subgenres I can see, but the way its being required here is a bit silly. 23W ( talk · stalk)
Could I get a few opinions about the order of the stars in TV series infobox at Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#Starring_order_in_Infobox. The statement that: "Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show" seems clear to me, but one editor doesn't want to add the new people at the end. I think the policy should be adhered to for consistency unless there is justification and a consensus to change. AbramTerger ( talk) 14:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I hope that I can understand. You could add a parameter that says "Slogan" for articles of soap operas. In the picture I put a screenshot for you to see what I mean. Take it from the article in wikipedia in Spanish. All operas have slogan, and I think it would be good to place in the template. And I say this only so that they are used in articles of telenovelas. Since operas are those most using the slogan. And it is not a method of advertising or something as well. Could you allow this parameter?.-- McVeigh (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
This is really minor, but it seems there's two spaces inserted between the first aired parameter and the en dash. You can tell as you can highlight two spaces with your mouse between them. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 16:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to request that the "first_run" parameter be removed from this template per the recent WP:RFC and Wikipedia:Silence and consensus. Dogmaticeclectic ( talk) 17:41, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
format
. RfC outcomes are not binding and, for the record, I'd disagree with its removal so there is no consensus to remove it. --
AussieLegend (
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17:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hello Wikipedia, I request that in the Infobox television that we add a Art Director because most animated shows have Art Directors more that Directors also Live Shows sometimes have Art Directors. 64.228.75.199 ( talk) 20:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Redrose64 (
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21:20, 29 October 2014 (UTC)