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The country or region a show merely happened to air in first is incidental information, and has absolutely nothing to do with the actual production of the show.
It also confuses readers because there are no other fields referring to this one, e.g. first_network. (And I would certainly oppose introducing any, for both trivia and size reasons.) Modernponderer ( talk) 11:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
first_run
exists. It's not trivial at all. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
11:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
network
with company
. Per the infobox instructions:
network
- The original network(s) on which the show has appeared.company
- The names of the production company or companies that funded/organized series production.first_run
back in 2014 that I started. It is now archived
here. A subsequent RfC failed to gain any support for removal. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
13:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
|network=CBS
is the correct entry. That's why the instructions say "The original network(s) on which the show has appeared." If the program simultaneously aired on CBS and NBC, both would be included.then it is the network(s) that contributed to the production of the series as verified by reliable sources.- That is not supported by the instructions. Again, you are confusing this with the "company" field, which is about production.
The RfC on this parameter you're referring to – which I started – had no input whatsoever from other editors, so I could just as easily say it failed to gain any opposition as well- Ahh, so you're another account of Dogmaticeclectic. An RfC requires the support of others in order to implement a change. If nobody supports or opposes then the proposal fails so failure of anyone to participate can only be taken to mean, given the number of editors who participated in the previous discussion, that people weren't interested in making that change, no matter how much they were hounded. By contrast, the changes proposed by Favre1fan93 did receive support, but the discussion just fizzled out like so many do. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 14:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
A show was made in the US with participation from the US broadcaster but with absolutely no input from Canada, and was bought by broadcasters worldwide but happened to air in Canada one day earlier than in the US.- Per the infobox instructions it would be appropriate for
|first_run=Canada
if the series consistently aired in Canada before the US. If it was a one-off incident then commonsense would dictate that first_run would not be completed. The other examples that you've provided have never eventuated to my knowledge. It does nobody any good to consider such possibilities until they happen. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
07:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
you essentially contradicted yourself in terms of application, since now you claim there is a new, unspecified, and arbitrary cutoff for "consistently aired" vs. "a one-off incident".- Not at all. As I said, you have to use a bit of commonsense. The field is aimed at identifying when a series airs in a country other than the country of origin. If a US series airs its first episode in, say, Botswana before the US and then every other episode in the US first, it's misleading to use Botswana in the infobox. The infobox is about the series, not individual episodes, and articles are supposed to report the entire history of a series. In this case it might be appropriate to include a note in the prose that episode 1 aired in Botswana before the US but it's not something that should be in the infobox, which is similar to the lede in that it is a summary of the whole series.
Do you not understand that parameters are supposed to be general, not for incredibly specific use cases that you may have in mind?- This is a rather hypocritical tack given your response to Whats new? in which you state
as I already wrote, to my knowledge I have simply never seen one, and from such a perspective your claim that it is "often" mentioned seems incredibly dubious.That's pretty much the argument I used above; it's OK for you to use the argument but not me? Now that's contradictory.
You have to consider all the reasonably possible use cases- The suggestions you made are, in my opinion which is based on 13 years of edits to over 35,500 Wikipedia pages, not
reasonably possible use cases. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 07:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
|country=
would better fit in the Release section where this parameter is. --
Gonnym (
talk)
11:51, 11 December 2018 (UTC)|country=
from {{
Infobox book}}. In most cases the network on which a series first airs is not "a random channel possibly halfway across the world that just happened to air the show first."—
TAnthony
Talk
01:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)I am drawing a distinction between production companies and commissioning broadcasters. The former go into the company field, the latter under the network parameter.- Where did you come up with "commissioning broadcasters"? That is not at all mentioned in the infobox. The instructions are quite clear
|network=The original network(s) on which the show has appeared.
Nowhere does it talk about commissioning broadcasters. This seems to be only your (mis)interpretation. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
14:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Note furthermore that "original" is not the same as "first"- You are incorrect. Quite some time ago we had a problem with people adding networks to infoboxes that resulted in the usage being changed, or rather confirmed as meaning the first network on which a series aired. To the average person "original" and "first" mean the same thing, at least as far as the channel/network is concerned. An example of the problem was that a program was first aired on "network 1". Reruns subsequently aired on "network 2" then it later appeared on "network 3". People would add "network 2" and "network 3", because they were networks on which the program aired, which was wrong. The field is for the first/original network. Nobody has ever discussed "commissioning network". Again, this is only your interpretation and is not the way that the field is used or, to my knowledge, has ever been used. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 19:47, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
extensive experience editing TV series articles, I'm not convinced, nor impressed with such a claim, given my own experience. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 04:07, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Support: When did this paremeter get added? I have done many infoboxes in the last 10 years and have never used it. I can see problems with many shows such as Game of Thrones that has been having simulcasts in the UK and America and I think in other parts of the world. The paremeter is not being used there. REVUpminster ( talk) 08:07, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I can see problems with many shows such as Game of Thrones ... The paremeter is not being used there.- If it's not being used there it's not really a problem is it? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Given the increasingly common phenomenon of television networks reviving old series that were out of production for some time, this infobox needs a new way to offer multiple "first_aired" and "last_aired" dates. As it now stands, shows such as Will & Grace, Murphy Brown and Street Legal are stuck with deceptive and inaccurate infoboxes, because the only way to make note of the current revival in the infobox is to erase the original end date and not add the revival's premiere date at all, so that the series is now inaccurately depicted as starting on its original premiere date but airing continuously to the present day without interruption.
Basically, the first_aired and last_aired fields need options to include more than one date, in the "first_aired1" + "first_aired2" format, so that all of the relevant dates can be listed. Bearcat ( talk) 17:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just wondering where someone designated as a "co-executive producer" would be placed in an infobox. Executive producer or producer or none? It doesn't really make sense to exclude them but I'm unsure as to where they fit. Should there be a new parameter for co-executive producers? Heartfox ( talk) 03:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
This template is using a sandbox version of module:string (i.e. module:String/sandbox) via Module:Infobox television disambiguation check. It should be fixed. Christian75 ( talk) 06:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
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Please revert last edit [3]. Its uses Module:Infobox television disambiguation check which uses Module:String/sandbox. The creator says its not a problem. I disagree - a highly used template should not use a sandbox version. The edit was not uncontroversial edits especially because it uses a sandbox module. Christian75 ( talk) 21:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC) Christian75 ( talk) 21:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Non-controversial changes to hidden tracking categories.is placed in the uncontroversial section. I've commented in the previous section as well and said all I need to here. Your actions are a hindrance to the wiki. -- Gonnym ( talk) 23:11, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Reverted. @
Gonnym: you should have immediately self-reverted when your undiscussed change was disputed. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk)
07:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
{{Infobox television/sandbox | show_name = Example | cast = John Smith Fred McMurray | writers = Not the ones who wrote the GoT final season | creative producer = Someone else | original network = syndication | date aired = 12 February 1999 - 30 February 2001 }}
Category:Pages using infobox television with unknown parameters is a category that I check at least twice daily and there are normally 5 or more articles in there with errors. It occurred to me that it might help editors if there was a link to the infobox insructions in the infobox. This doesn't need to be there all the time, only when the editor is previewing, which is when they get warning of any invalid fields in the infobox. To see this in action, edit the adjacent infobox and then preview the results. I've added some actual fields that I've seen to give you some idea of the things people are adding. I've tested the changes and can't see any issues. Does anyone have any issues with adding the code to the infobox? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 08:38, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
First, you provided NO actual citation (i.e., link) to the alleged "infobox instructions" supporting your claim.It seems at least one editor has found an issue with lack of a link so this seems to have come at a good time. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Can someone explain the rationale behind this directive, noted in some but not all the relevant fields? Particularly in the case of Jeopardy!, removing the year/season information greatly reduces the meaningfulness of the information presented without substantially improving the aesthetic of the presentation. It just makes it seem like the show had multiple hosts/producers/directors/announces etc. simultaneously, when a simple inclusion of year/season eliminates any such confusion and keeps things clean. Is not this rule more of a "foolish consistency" hobgoblin? (For reference, here is the first diff that introduced this language, although initially it was only for "starring".) Robert K S ( talk) 02:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't Stage designer or scenic designer be included in the template? Ali Pirhayati ( talk) 08:40, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Proposal: Add |episode_list=
as an alternative to |list_episodes=
so all 3 television infoboxes (this, {{
Infobox television season}} and {{
Infobox television episode}}) use the same parameter name, making usage easier for editors (as editors won't need to learn/remember which parameter name is used where), and will make it easier when converting infobox from series->season or season->series. This parameter should also be the one shown in the documentation as while support for the previous one should still exist, it should be discouraged for the benefits given above. --
Gonnym (
talk)
11:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
While we're on the subject, I noticed that this uses |narrated=
, while {{
Infobox episode}} uses |narrator=
. Most of the "job" titles are in the latter's style (director, creator, developer, presenter, executive_producer) so this would also benift in changing to fit the style of other job titles and the other infobox. --
Gonnym (
talk)
12:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry and I'm going to be completely blunt But I don't like the way that last_aired is used.
Yes, The infobox is ONLY supposed to show when the program started and when it ended and not supposed to detail the entire history. However, I feel that it is discriminatory Seriously it's like dismissing them as not revivals but just new seasons when they had been off the air for decades.
I just don't see the reason to just have it in that format.-- AnimeDisneylover95 ( talk) 20:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
first_aired
and last_aired
are supposed to be used at
Talk:Will & Grace#Revival series conflict and on his talk page. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
20:58, 16 September 2019 (UTC)The X-Files | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | Original series: September 10, 1993 – May 19, 2002 Revival: January 24, 2016 – March 21, 2018 |
The X-Files | |
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Original release | |
Release | September 10, 1993 March 21, 2018 | –
Should the executive producer's section be used for the current season's producers or shall we list all including past producers? -- Judicature ( talk) 01:01, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
How should I use this parameter ?, because it is not indicated, if I put "yes" or "no", it does nothing.-- Bradford ✉ 11:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
|italic_title=yes
. When a page title shouldn't be italicised |italic_title=no
should be used. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
13:15, 6 October 2019 (UTC)This template currently has the "num_seasons" and "num_series" parameters, which cover nearly all cases. But how difficult or accepted would it be to add a universal "season_title" work-around parameter similar to what {{ Television ratings graph}} has? I am asking because of Money Heist, where the production and release platforms group the episodes into "parts" (technically half-seasons) rather than seasons, while a surprisingly large number of third-party publications have begun to refer to parts as (full) seasons, resulting in a big naming mess. The article currently uses the not-so-great but at least stable solution of "num_seasons=2 (3 parts)", and only uses "parts" in the prose. – sgeureka t• c 11:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
A TV Show | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | October 24, 2019 |
The released field isn't displaying. See code and example.
{{Infobox television | name = A TV Show | released = {{Start date|2019|10|24}} | first_aired = <!-- {{Start date|2019|10|24}} --> }}
But first_aired
works fine. -
X201 (
talk)
08:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
first_aired
and released
. This is a sort of error checking for the many articles where somebody puts a location in released
instead of a date, which happens far too oftenA TV Show | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | October 24, 2019 |
{{Infobox television | name = A TV Show | released = China | first_aired = {{Start date|2019|10|24}} }}
{{{first_aired|{{{released|}}}}}}
which means that it checks if the |first_aired=
parameter is used, and if it isn't, only then does it move on to check |released=
. In your example, you used the field, and even-though the content of that field was empty, it still won't move on to the next field. I personally prefer the style of {{If empty |{{{first_aired|}}} |{{{released|}}} }}
which means that it checks if the field is empty or not. As I wasn't the one who wrote that part of the code, I have no idea what was the reasoning behind that. --
Gonnym (
talk)
09:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)Being used to numerous other templates that use If empty
I'd assumed this would do the same. Perhaps we need to rethink the copy and paste version of the template on the Documentation page. e.g.
| released = <!-- {{Start date|YYYY|MM|DD}} --> | first_aired = <!-- {{Start date|YYYY|MM|DD}} -->
Users will copy and paste that without knowing that any text in the one field will cause the other to not display. - X201 ( talk) 10:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Is it possible to add a parameter concerning the state of the series. It should denote which situation the series is in. If it is in production or cancelled. It is important for those who are interested in the series in general. Status should denote which situation the series is in. It can be of importance for the followers of the series. -- 88.89.14.37 ( talk) 14:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Could a parameter for choreographer be added? Some shows have a significant amount of dancing or dance numbers, and the choreographer is really of interest in those cases. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
This section either shouldn't be present or should be overhauled, at least for US TV. Unlike in film, 'Producer' is not a particularly notable position in US TV, and the vast majority of the time it refers to medium-ranking writers, who exist below EPs, Co-EPs and Supervising Producers in the hierarchy - the latter two obviously not being included in the template as it exists. The exception to this are people who get a 'Produced by' credit. 115.70.7.33 ( talk) 04:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Can we add a steaming release information parameter something? Perhaps under the release section or its own section. My7thsecret ( talk) 15:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey there... so for a quick run-down of the situation, America's Got Talent has had many judges on the show since it began in 2006. With Sofía Vergara announced yesterday, she will be the 12th person to be a judge on the show. As a result, I think the infobox is getting a bit crowded.
Yesterday, I changed it to be "starring" instead of "judges" in the infobox as per MOS:TV#Infobox. However, since then, it's been changed up a bit (as the history shows...), and now reverted back to the full list of judges over the years. So what should be done here?
Personally, I think it would be fine to change it to "starring" and only have the current judges, and then for the "presented by", remove past hosts and just keep the current one listed. Seems a bit too much, especially with a table further in the article listing all of these people anyways.
Other shows and how their pages handle it (keeping everyone listed) has been brought up as well, including American Idol, Grey's Anatomy, and Britain's Got Talent. The Voice also lists everyone in the infobox. However, should be noted that WP:OSE exists- just because these other articles are doing it, doesn't mean AGT needs to too. In fact, they could be doing it wrong in the first place.
Also, not to be rude/bash on the other two users involved in this, but I had a talk page message about this since July 2019, with no response from anyone. Even with the recent edits on the page yesterday regarding this, no discussion whatsoever held there, only through edit summaries, which doesn't help that much.
Thanks. Magitroopa ( talk) 14:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I believe the infobox is suitable for the program, in terms of identifying members by their role - switching Judge to Starring is a mistake, and problematic, since that states something else for a televised competition. In regards to the length of entries for those sections in the Infobox I'd say we vote on one particular option, suggested by Gonnym, we could implement - using a "See List" option. If there's a deadlock on this matter, recommend a RfC to gain further input on the matter. GUtt01 ( talk) 15:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I hope this is the right place for this discussion. Can someone clarify what the "Country of origin" parameter should indicate? I'm contributing to these articles about US/Italian co-productions and I have a few doubts:
Given that:
In the case of My Brilliant Friend, the production companies are Wildside (Italian), Fandango (Italian), Umedia (international), The Apartment (Italian), Mowe (Italian). The commissioning channels are Rai 1 (Italian) and HBO (American), with the first season airing in the US first and the second in Italy first (as indicated in the "First shown in" parameter in the template). The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series is filmed in Italy. As of now the listed countries of origin are Italy, United States.
In the case of The Young Pope and The New Pope, the production companies are Wildside (Italian), Haut et Court TV (French), Mediapro (Spanish), The Apartment (Italian, New Pope only). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian), HBO (American), Canal+ (French), with first release on Sky Atlantic in Italy. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series are filmed in Italy (both) and in the US (Young Pope only). As of now the countries of origin are Italy, France, Spain.
In the case of We Are Who We Are, the production companies are The Apartment (Italian), Wildside (Italian), Small Forward (Italian). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian) and HBO (American), with first release unknown yet. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series was shot in Italy. As of now the countries of origin are Italy, United States.
In the case of ZeroZeroZero, the production companies are Cattleya (Italian) and Bartleby Film (Italian). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian), Amazon (American) and Canal+ (French), with first release on Sky Atlantic in Italy. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series was shot in Italy, Mexico, United States, Senegal, Morocco. As of now the country of origin is Italy.
So, my question is: WHAT SHOULD COUNTRY OF ORIGIN REFER TO? The country/ies of the production companies, the country/ies of the commissioning channels, the country/ies of the distributor, the country/ies of filming or a mixture of some or all of these?
-- TheVampire ( talk) 14:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
|country=
) is in my opinion wrongly set up here. It currently represents two different parameters - The show's country of originand
The country or region where the show was first broadcast. Omit if the same country as country of origin above or if the show has only been broadcast in one country or region.(taken from
|first_run=
). These two are completely different functions and should never have even been used together. The "what country owns the program" is completely irrelevant in the infobox, and I'd say even in the article itself. A country does not own a show. A cooperation owns it. So, should
The Boondocks (2020 TV series) which airs on a American network, produced by a
Sony Pictures Television and
Sony Pictures Animation which are American companies, and are owned by
Sony, a Japanese conglomerate, be listed as "United States" for country of origin? A much better usage, which is the one that most editors and readers are actually using this for, is "where did the show first air?" (as in "for what country was it produced for"). I'd be in favor of changing the infobox to reflect this. --
Gonnym (
talk)
09:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
|first_run=
parameter because that was the first country where these series were broadcast. However, these series were later broadcast in France and/or in America, on Canal+ and HBO or Amazon, which acted as co-commissioners for the series (for The New Pope for instance, every poster from HBO says "a joint production SKY/HBO/CANAL+"). So if you have more than one commissioning channel/network, what is the country of origin? Is it a list of the countries where the commissioning channels are based or is it a list of the countries where the production companies are based? That was the doubt, because the |first_run=
parameter is pretty straightforward and it only includes the single country where the series is broadcast for the first time if there are multiple commissioning channels from different countries. Since we already separate production companies from the international distributor and the original networks, the parameter (|country=
) is misleading because it is not clear what it refers to.--
TheVampire (
talk)
12:19, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
|first_run=
parameter should not be used as a "competition" parameter, as in, "who was able to place the show in the earliest time slot", which is why I said above "for what country was it produced for". So in your examples of join productions from different countries, each of those countries would be valid to list, as each of those channels/networks would also be valid to have the show in a original programming category for that channel, such as
Category:HBO original programming. --
Gonnym (
talk)
12:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)Hi, there I'm just asking if a show such as Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway has broadcast from one off filming locations such as Walt Disney World, is it acceptable for that Location to be mentioned in the infobox? Pepper Gaming ( talk) 15:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I've reverted today's changes, because [[Category:Pages using infobox television with alias parameters|]]
was showing as raw text in articles.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey team, I see this has been discussed before
here with apparently no follow-up, so just bringing attention back to it. Currently it is suggested to use |website=hide
if you don't want to display the wikidata URL in the infobox, but instead of just hiding the field it is displaying "[hide Website]". Does anyone know how to address this? -
adamstom97 (
talk)
22:53, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
{{#if: {{{website|{{#property:P856}}}}} | [{{{website|{{#property:P856}}}}} {{#if: {{{website_title|}}} | {{{website_title}}}|Website}} }}
. Looking at the code, I have no idea how the "hide" flag handles this. Regarding the removal of the parameter, I don't think I have a problem with it, but I'd like to point out that other TV- and media-related templates such as {{
Infobox television season}}, {{
Infobox reality talent competition}} and {{
Infobox media franchise}} have this parameter. I'd be in favour of removing only if we are consistent with this across these related templates. --
Gonnym (
talk)
09:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Adamstom.97, Favre1fan93, X201, and AussieLegend: no one commented on this after I posted notices. How should we continue? -- Gonnym ( talk) 09:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
This infobox uses |show_name=
with |name=
as an alias. This is inconsistent with most infoboxes with |name=
being the field normally used. This also causes an issue with the ongoing conversion of television film articles to use this infobox rather than {{
infobox film}}. The field is normally overlooked when manually converting, resulting in
Category:Pages using infobox television with alias parameters being populated. I am therefore proposing that we deprecate |show_name=
in favour of |name=
, with |show_name=
becoming the alias. This will not affect any existing articles as |show_name=
will still work. Articles can be "fixed" on an ad hoc basis unless somebody wants to organise a bot to change all infoboxes. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
06:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
|show_name2=
to |name2=
? --
Gonnym (
talk)
16:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)|name2=
, |alt_name=
? I think just by looking at the parameter with that name, it is super clear what it should be used for. Right now, |name2=
has ambiguity to what it could be used for in the template. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
19:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
|alt=
. --
Gonnym (
talk)
11:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
|image_alt=
but it is interesting that I've found a lot of articles where image_alt has been removed because editors thought it referred to an alternate image, and "alt" when it has been included has been removed because editors thought it referred to an alternative name. I t seems a lot of people don't preview before saving. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
11:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Hello, I have a question about the use of parenthetical details in television infoboxes. When is it appropriate to use them, and when is it not? The template does not specify whether they can be used for director
, theme_music_composer
, composer
, opentheme
, endtheme
producer
, executive_producer
, company
, distributor
, picture_format
, or audio_format
. I ask because most of these are presented with parenthetical details on the infobox for
Dexter's Laboratory, and because there are not restrictions in place for these params, I'm not sure if I should leave these parenthetical details or remove them. Any guidance or clarification would be appreciated. Thanks,
Paper Luigi
T •
C
18:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Having been reverted without explanation at Template:Infobox television/doc by Gonnym and AussieLegend, I am wondering why. 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 05:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
That was edit-warring.Did you read WP:EW? It provides that "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions." A single reversion hardly constitutes "repeatedly". 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 00:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Conforming with MOS guidancewhat guideline exactly was that? Your edit summaries shouldn't be cryptic. -- Gonnym ( talk) 08:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
most country articles? Why, in this instance, would links to some countries be okay, and others not? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Unless a term is particularly relevant to the context in the article, the following are usually not linked: ...
- The names of subjects with which most readers will be at least somewhat familiar. This generally includes major examples of:
- countries (e.g., Japan/Japanese, Brazil/Brazilian)
You've also changed a long-standing ruleI would hardly call it a rule (and all the less so if it is incongruent with the guideline on the subject).
... what guideline exactly was that?MOS:OL, which I discuss further below. But that doesn't explain why you wouldn't have used an edit summary when reverting – why is that? 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 00:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't see where that guideline says to link to Bahrain nor did I see in the discussion.I didn't include suggest Bahrain was specifically mentioned my the guideline. Rather, it is clear from the guideline that countries "with which most readers will [not] be at least somewhat familiar" are typically linked, as is fitting with MOS:LINK § Principles generally. Do you read the guideline and the spirit thereof differently?
Should I have added a note "oppose undiscussed change"? Probably. Are you expecting a formal apology or something?I am not requesting a formal apology, but a brief "sorry" is typically offered by someone working in good faith to build a consensus in such a circumstance. 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 01:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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The country or region a show merely happened to air in first is incidental information, and has absolutely nothing to do with the actual production of the show.
It also confuses readers because there are no other fields referring to this one, e.g. first_network. (And I would certainly oppose introducing any, for both trivia and size reasons.) Modernponderer ( talk) 11:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
first_run
exists. It's not trivial at all. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
11:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
network
with company
. Per the infobox instructions:
network
- The original network(s) on which the show has appeared.company
- The names of the production company or companies that funded/organized series production.first_run
back in 2014 that I started. It is now archived
here. A subsequent RfC failed to gain any support for removal. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
13:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
|network=CBS
is the correct entry. That's why the instructions say "The original network(s) on which the show has appeared." If the program simultaneously aired on CBS and NBC, both would be included.then it is the network(s) that contributed to the production of the series as verified by reliable sources.- That is not supported by the instructions. Again, you are confusing this with the "company" field, which is about production.
The RfC on this parameter you're referring to – which I started – had no input whatsoever from other editors, so I could just as easily say it failed to gain any opposition as well- Ahh, so you're another account of Dogmaticeclectic. An RfC requires the support of others in order to implement a change. If nobody supports or opposes then the proposal fails so failure of anyone to participate can only be taken to mean, given the number of editors who participated in the previous discussion, that people weren't interested in making that change, no matter how much they were hounded. By contrast, the changes proposed by Favre1fan93 did receive support, but the discussion just fizzled out like so many do. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 14:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
A show was made in the US with participation from the US broadcaster but with absolutely no input from Canada, and was bought by broadcasters worldwide but happened to air in Canada one day earlier than in the US.- Per the infobox instructions it would be appropriate for
|first_run=Canada
if the series consistently aired in Canada before the US. If it was a one-off incident then commonsense would dictate that first_run would not be completed. The other examples that you've provided have never eventuated to my knowledge. It does nobody any good to consider such possibilities until they happen. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
07:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
you essentially contradicted yourself in terms of application, since now you claim there is a new, unspecified, and arbitrary cutoff for "consistently aired" vs. "a one-off incident".- Not at all. As I said, you have to use a bit of commonsense. The field is aimed at identifying when a series airs in a country other than the country of origin. If a US series airs its first episode in, say, Botswana before the US and then every other episode in the US first, it's misleading to use Botswana in the infobox. The infobox is about the series, not individual episodes, and articles are supposed to report the entire history of a series. In this case it might be appropriate to include a note in the prose that episode 1 aired in Botswana before the US but it's not something that should be in the infobox, which is similar to the lede in that it is a summary of the whole series.
Do you not understand that parameters are supposed to be general, not for incredibly specific use cases that you may have in mind?- This is a rather hypocritical tack given your response to Whats new? in which you state
as I already wrote, to my knowledge I have simply never seen one, and from such a perspective your claim that it is "often" mentioned seems incredibly dubious.That's pretty much the argument I used above; it's OK for you to use the argument but not me? Now that's contradictory.
You have to consider all the reasonably possible use cases- The suggestions you made are, in my opinion which is based on 13 years of edits to over 35,500 Wikipedia pages, not
reasonably possible use cases. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 07:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
|country=
would better fit in the Release section where this parameter is. --
Gonnym (
talk)
11:51, 11 December 2018 (UTC)|country=
from {{
Infobox book}}. In most cases the network on which a series first airs is not "a random channel possibly halfway across the world that just happened to air the show first."—
TAnthony
Talk
01:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)I am drawing a distinction between production companies and commissioning broadcasters. The former go into the company field, the latter under the network parameter.- Where did you come up with "commissioning broadcasters"? That is not at all mentioned in the infobox. The instructions are quite clear
|network=The original network(s) on which the show has appeared.
Nowhere does it talk about commissioning broadcasters. This seems to be only your (mis)interpretation. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
14:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Note furthermore that "original" is not the same as "first"- You are incorrect. Quite some time ago we had a problem with people adding networks to infoboxes that resulted in the usage being changed, or rather confirmed as meaning the first network on which a series aired. To the average person "original" and "first" mean the same thing, at least as far as the channel/network is concerned. An example of the problem was that a program was first aired on "network 1". Reruns subsequently aired on "network 2" then it later appeared on "network 3". People would add "network 2" and "network 3", because they were networks on which the program aired, which was wrong. The field is for the first/original network. Nobody has ever discussed "commissioning network". Again, this is only your interpretation and is not the way that the field is used or, to my knowledge, has ever been used. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 19:47, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
extensive experience editing TV series articles, I'm not convinced, nor impressed with such a claim, given my own experience. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 04:07, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Support: When did this paremeter get added? I have done many infoboxes in the last 10 years and have never used it. I can see problems with many shows such as Game of Thrones that has been having simulcasts in the UK and America and I think in other parts of the world. The paremeter is not being used there. REVUpminster ( talk) 08:07, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I can see problems with many shows such as Game of Thrones ... The paremeter is not being used there.- If it's not being used there it's not really a problem is it? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Given the increasingly common phenomenon of television networks reviving old series that were out of production for some time, this infobox needs a new way to offer multiple "first_aired" and "last_aired" dates. As it now stands, shows such as Will & Grace, Murphy Brown and Street Legal are stuck with deceptive and inaccurate infoboxes, because the only way to make note of the current revival in the infobox is to erase the original end date and not add the revival's premiere date at all, so that the series is now inaccurately depicted as starting on its original premiere date but airing continuously to the present day without interruption.
Basically, the first_aired and last_aired fields need options to include more than one date, in the "first_aired1" + "first_aired2" format, so that all of the relevant dates can be listed. Bearcat ( talk) 17:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just wondering where someone designated as a "co-executive producer" would be placed in an infobox. Executive producer or producer or none? It doesn't really make sense to exclude them but I'm unsure as to where they fit. Should there be a new parameter for co-executive producers? Heartfox ( talk) 03:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
This template is using a sandbox version of module:string (i.e. module:String/sandbox) via Module:Infobox television disambiguation check. It should be fixed. Christian75 ( talk) 06:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Infobox television has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please revert last edit [3]. Its uses Module:Infobox television disambiguation check which uses Module:String/sandbox. The creator says its not a problem. I disagree - a highly used template should not use a sandbox version. The edit was not uncontroversial edits especially because it uses a sandbox module. Christian75 ( talk) 21:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC) Christian75 ( talk) 21:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Non-controversial changes to hidden tracking categories.is placed in the uncontroversial section. I've commented in the previous section as well and said all I need to here. Your actions are a hindrance to the wiki. -- Gonnym ( talk) 23:11, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Reverted. @
Gonnym: you should have immediately self-reverted when your undiscussed change was disputed. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk)
07:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
{{Infobox television/sandbox | show_name = Example | cast = John Smith Fred McMurray | writers = Not the ones who wrote the GoT final season | creative producer = Someone else | original network = syndication | date aired = 12 February 1999 - 30 February 2001 }}
Category:Pages using infobox television with unknown parameters is a category that I check at least twice daily and there are normally 5 or more articles in there with errors. It occurred to me that it might help editors if there was a link to the infobox insructions in the infobox. This doesn't need to be there all the time, only when the editor is previewing, which is when they get warning of any invalid fields in the infobox. To see this in action, edit the adjacent infobox and then preview the results. I've added some actual fields that I've seen to give you some idea of the things people are adding. I've tested the changes and can't see any issues. Does anyone have any issues with adding the code to the infobox? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 08:38, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
First, you provided NO actual citation (i.e., link) to the alleged "infobox instructions" supporting your claim.It seems at least one editor has found an issue with lack of a link so this seems to have come at a good time. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Can someone explain the rationale behind this directive, noted in some but not all the relevant fields? Particularly in the case of Jeopardy!, removing the year/season information greatly reduces the meaningfulness of the information presented without substantially improving the aesthetic of the presentation. It just makes it seem like the show had multiple hosts/producers/directors/announces etc. simultaneously, when a simple inclusion of year/season eliminates any such confusion and keeps things clean. Is not this rule more of a "foolish consistency" hobgoblin? (For reference, here is the first diff that introduced this language, although initially it was only for "starring".) Robert K S ( talk) 02:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't Stage designer or scenic designer be included in the template? Ali Pirhayati ( talk) 08:40, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Proposal: Add |episode_list=
as an alternative to |list_episodes=
so all 3 television infoboxes (this, {{
Infobox television season}} and {{
Infobox television episode}}) use the same parameter name, making usage easier for editors (as editors won't need to learn/remember which parameter name is used where), and will make it easier when converting infobox from series->season or season->series. This parameter should also be the one shown in the documentation as while support for the previous one should still exist, it should be discouraged for the benefits given above. --
Gonnym (
talk)
11:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
While we're on the subject, I noticed that this uses |narrated=
, while {{
Infobox episode}} uses |narrator=
. Most of the "job" titles are in the latter's style (director, creator, developer, presenter, executive_producer) so this would also benift in changing to fit the style of other job titles and the other infobox. --
Gonnym (
talk)
12:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry and I'm going to be completely blunt But I don't like the way that last_aired is used.
Yes, The infobox is ONLY supposed to show when the program started and when it ended and not supposed to detail the entire history. However, I feel that it is discriminatory Seriously it's like dismissing them as not revivals but just new seasons when they had been off the air for decades.
I just don't see the reason to just have it in that format.-- AnimeDisneylover95 ( talk) 20:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
first_aired
and last_aired
are supposed to be used at
Talk:Will & Grace#Revival series conflict and on his talk page. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
20:58, 16 September 2019 (UTC)The X-Files | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | Original series: September 10, 1993 – May 19, 2002 Revival: January 24, 2016 – March 21, 2018 |
The X-Files | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | September 10, 1993 March 21, 2018 | –
Should the executive producer's section be used for the current season's producers or shall we list all including past producers? -- Judicature ( talk) 01:01, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
How should I use this parameter ?, because it is not indicated, if I put "yes" or "no", it does nothing.-- Bradford ✉ 11:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
|italic_title=yes
. When a page title shouldn't be italicised |italic_title=no
should be used. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
13:15, 6 October 2019 (UTC)This template currently has the "num_seasons" and "num_series" parameters, which cover nearly all cases. But how difficult or accepted would it be to add a universal "season_title" work-around parameter similar to what {{ Television ratings graph}} has? I am asking because of Money Heist, where the production and release platforms group the episodes into "parts" (technically half-seasons) rather than seasons, while a surprisingly large number of third-party publications have begun to refer to parts as (full) seasons, resulting in a big naming mess. The article currently uses the not-so-great but at least stable solution of "num_seasons=2 (3 parts)", and only uses "parts" in the prose. – sgeureka t• c 11:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
A TV Show | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | October 24, 2019 |
The released field isn't displaying. See code and example.
{{Infobox television | name = A TV Show | released = {{Start date|2019|10|24}} | first_aired = <!-- {{Start date|2019|10|24}} --> }}
But first_aired
works fine. -
X201 (
talk)
08:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
first_aired
and released
. This is a sort of error checking for the many articles where somebody puts a location in released
instead of a date, which happens far too oftenA TV Show | |
---|---|
Original release | |
Release | October 24, 2019 |
{{Infobox television | name = A TV Show | released = China | first_aired = {{Start date|2019|10|24}} }}
{{{first_aired|{{{released|}}}}}}
which means that it checks if the |first_aired=
parameter is used, and if it isn't, only then does it move on to check |released=
. In your example, you used the field, and even-though the content of that field was empty, it still won't move on to the next field. I personally prefer the style of {{If empty |{{{first_aired|}}} |{{{released|}}} }}
which means that it checks if the field is empty or not. As I wasn't the one who wrote that part of the code, I have no idea what was the reasoning behind that. --
Gonnym (
talk)
09:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)Being used to numerous other templates that use If empty
I'd assumed this would do the same. Perhaps we need to rethink the copy and paste version of the template on the Documentation page. e.g.
| released = <!-- {{Start date|YYYY|MM|DD}} --> | first_aired = <!-- {{Start date|YYYY|MM|DD}} -->
Users will copy and paste that without knowing that any text in the one field will cause the other to not display. - X201 ( talk) 10:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Is it possible to add a parameter concerning the state of the series. It should denote which situation the series is in. If it is in production or cancelled. It is important for those who are interested in the series in general. Status should denote which situation the series is in. It can be of importance for the followers of the series. -- 88.89.14.37 ( talk) 14:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Could a parameter for choreographer be added? Some shows have a significant amount of dancing or dance numbers, and the choreographer is really of interest in those cases. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
This section either shouldn't be present or should be overhauled, at least for US TV. Unlike in film, 'Producer' is not a particularly notable position in US TV, and the vast majority of the time it refers to medium-ranking writers, who exist below EPs, Co-EPs and Supervising Producers in the hierarchy - the latter two obviously not being included in the template as it exists. The exception to this are people who get a 'Produced by' credit. 115.70.7.33 ( talk) 04:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Can we add a steaming release information parameter something? Perhaps under the release section or its own section. My7thsecret ( talk) 15:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey there... so for a quick run-down of the situation, America's Got Talent has had many judges on the show since it began in 2006. With Sofía Vergara announced yesterday, she will be the 12th person to be a judge on the show. As a result, I think the infobox is getting a bit crowded.
Yesterday, I changed it to be "starring" instead of "judges" in the infobox as per MOS:TV#Infobox. However, since then, it's been changed up a bit (as the history shows...), and now reverted back to the full list of judges over the years. So what should be done here?
Personally, I think it would be fine to change it to "starring" and only have the current judges, and then for the "presented by", remove past hosts and just keep the current one listed. Seems a bit too much, especially with a table further in the article listing all of these people anyways.
Other shows and how their pages handle it (keeping everyone listed) has been brought up as well, including American Idol, Grey's Anatomy, and Britain's Got Talent. The Voice also lists everyone in the infobox. However, should be noted that WP:OSE exists- just because these other articles are doing it, doesn't mean AGT needs to too. In fact, they could be doing it wrong in the first place.
Also, not to be rude/bash on the other two users involved in this, but I had a talk page message about this since July 2019, with no response from anyone. Even with the recent edits on the page yesterday regarding this, no discussion whatsoever held there, only through edit summaries, which doesn't help that much.
Thanks. Magitroopa ( talk) 14:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I believe the infobox is suitable for the program, in terms of identifying members by their role - switching Judge to Starring is a mistake, and problematic, since that states something else for a televised competition. In regards to the length of entries for those sections in the Infobox I'd say we vote on one particular option, suggested by Gonnym, we could implement - using a "See List" option. If there's a deadlock on this matter, recommend a RfC to gain further input on the matter. GUtt01 ( talk) 15:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I hope this is the right place for this discussion. Can someone clarify what the "Country of origin" parameter should indicate? I'm contributing to these articles about US/Italian co-productions and I have a few doubts:
Given that:
In the case of My Brilliant Friend, the production companies are Wildside (Italian), Fandango (Italian), Umedia (international), The Apartment (Italian), Mowe (Italian). The commissioning channels are Rai 1 (Italian) and HBO (American), with the first season airing in the US first and the second in Italy first (as indicated in the "First shown in" parameter in the template). The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series is filmed in Italy. As of now the listed countries of origin are Italy, United States.
In the case of The Young Pope and The New Pope, the production companies are Wildside (Italian), Haut et Court TV (French), Mediapro (Spanish), The Apartment (Italian, New Pope only). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian), HBO (American), Canal+ (French), with first release on Sky Atlantic in Italy. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series are filmed in Italy (both) and in the US (Young Pope only). As of now the countries of origin are Italy, France, Spain.
In the case of We Are Who We Are, the production companies are The Apartment (Italian), Wildside (Italian), Small Forward (Italian). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian) and HBO (American), with first release unknown yet. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series was shot in Italy. As of now the countries of origin are Italy, United States.
In the case of ZeroZeroZero, the production companies are Cattleya (Italian) and Bartleby Film (Italian). The commissioning channels are Sky Atlantic (Italian), Amazon (American) and Canal+ (French), with first release on Sky Atlantic in Italy. The international distributor is Fremantle (a UK company with a subsidiary in Italy). The series was shot in Italy, Mexico, United States, Senegal, Morocco. As of now the country of origin is Italy.
So, my question is: WHAT SHOULD COUNTRY OF ORIGIN REFER TO? The country/ies of the production companies, the country/ies of the commissioning channels, the country/ies of the distributor, the country/ies of filming or a mixture of some or all of these?
-- TheVampire ( talk) 14:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
|country=
) is in my opinion wrongly set up here. It currently represents two different parameters - The show's country of originand
The country or region where the show was first broadcast. Omit if the same country as country of origin above or if the show has only been broadcast in one country or region.(taken from
|first_run=
). These two are completely different functions and should never have even been used together. The "what country owns the program" is completely irrelevant in the infobox, and I'd say even in the article itself. A country does not own a show. A cooperation owns it. So, should
The Boondocks (2020 TV series) which airs on a American network, produced by a
Sony Pictures Television and
Sony Pictures Animation which are American companies, and are owned by
Sony, a Japanese conglomerate, be listed as "United States" for country of origin? A much better usage, which is the one that most editors and readers are actually using this for, is "where did the show first air?" (as in "for what country was it produced for"). I'd be in favor of changing the infobox to reflect this. --
Gonnym (
talk)
09:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
|first_run=
parameter because that was the first country where these series were broadcast. However, these series were later broadcast in France and/or in America, on Canal+ and HBO or Amazon, which acted as co-commissioners for the series (for The New Pope for instance, every poster from HBO says "a joint production SKY/HBO/CANAL+"). So if you have more than one commissioning channel/network, what is the country of origin? Is it a list of the countries where the commissioning channels are based or is it a list of the countries where the production companies are based? That was the doubt, because the |first_run=
parameter is pretty straightforward and it only includes the single country where the series is broadcast for the first time if there are multiple commissioning channels from different countries. Since we already separate production companies from the international distributor and the original networks, the parameter (|country=
) is misleading because it is not clear what it refers to.--
TheVampire (
talk)
12:19, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
|first_run=
parameter should not be used as a "competition" parameter, as in, "who was able to place the show in the earliest time slot", which is why I said above "for what country was it produced for". So in your examples of join productions from different countries, each of those countries would be valid to list, as each of those channels/networks would also be valid to have the show in a original programming category for that channel, such as
Category:HBO original programming. --
Gonnym (
talk)
12:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)Hi, there I'm just asking if a show such as Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway has broadcast from one off filming locations such as Walt Disney World, is it acceptable for that Location to be mentioned in the infobox? Pepper Gaming ( talk) 15:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I've reverted today's changes, because [[Category:Pages using infobox television with alias parameters|]]
was showing as raw text in articles.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey team, I see this has been discussed before
here with apparently no follow-up, so just bringing attention back to it. Currently it is suggested to use |website=hide
if you don't want to display the wikidata URL in the infobox, but instead of just hiding the field it is displaying "[hide Website]". Does anyone know how to address this? -
adamstom97 (
talk)
22:53, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
{{#if: {{{website|{{#property:P856}}}}} | [{{{website|{{#property:P856}}}}} {{#if: {{{website_title|}}} | {{{website_title}}}|Website}} }}
. Looking at the code, I have no idea how the "hide" flag handles this. Regarding the removal of the parameter, I don't think I have a problem with it, but I'd like to point out that other TV- and media-related templates such as {{
Infobox television season}}, {{
Infobox reality talent competition}} and {{
Infobox media franchise}} have this parameter. I'd be in favour of removing only if we are consistent with this across these related templates. --
Gonnym (
talk)
09:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Adamstom.97, Favre1fan93, X201, and AussieLegend: no one commented on this after I posted notices. How should we continue? -- Gonnym ( talk) 09:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
This infobox uses |show_name=
with |name=
as an alias. This is inconsistent with most infoboxes with |name=
being the field normally used. This also causes an issue with the ongoing conversion of television film articles to use this infobox rather than {{
infobox film}}. The field is normally overlooked when manually converting, resulting in
Category:Pages using infobox television with alias parameters being populated. I am therefore proposing that we deprecate |show_name=
in favour of |name=
, with |show_name=
becoming the alias. This will not affect any existing articles as |show_name=
will still work. Articles can be "fixed" on an ad hoc basis unless somebody wants to organise a bot to change all infoboxes. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
06:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
|show_name2=
to |name2=
? --
Gonnym (
talk)
16:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)|name2=
, |alt_name=
? I think just by looking at the parameter with that name, it is super clear what it should be used for. Right now, |name2=
has ambiguity to what it could be used for in the template. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
19:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
|alt=
. --
Gonnym (
talk)
11:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
|image_alt=
but it is interesting that I've found a lot of articles where image_alt has been removed because editors thought it referred to an alternate image, and "alt" when it has been included has been removed because editors thought it referred to an alternative name. I t seems a lot of people don't preview before saving. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
11:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Hello, I have a question about the use of parenthetical details in television infoboxes. When is it appropriate to use them, and when is it not? The template does not specify whether they can be used for director
, theme_music_composer
, composer
, opentheme
, endtheme
producer
, executive_producer
, company
, distributor
, picture_format
, or audio_format
. I ask because most of these are presented with parenthetical details on the infobox for
Dexter's Laboratory, and because there are not restrictions in place for these params, I'm not sure if I should leave these parenthetical details or remove them. Any guidance or clarification would be appreciated. Thanks,
Paper Luigi
T •
C
18:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Having been reverted without explanation at Template:Infobox television/doc by Gonnym and AussieLegend, I am wondering why. 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 05:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
That was edit-warring.Did you read WP:EW? It provides that "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions." A single reversion hardly constitutes "repeatedly". 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 00:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Conforming with MOS guidancewhat guideline exactly was that? Your edit summaries shouldn't be cryptic. -- Gonnym ( talk) 08:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
most country articles? Why, in this instance, would links to some countries be okay, and others not? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Unless a term is particularly relevant to the context in the article, the following are usually not linked: ...
- The names of subjects with which most readers will be at least somewhat familiar. This generally includes major examples of:
- countries (e.g., Japan/Japanese, Brazil/Brazilian)
You've also changed a long-standing ruleI would hardly call it a rule (and all the less so if it is incongruent with the guideline on the subject).
... what guideline exactly was that?MOS:OL, which I discuss further below. But that doesn't explain why you wouldn't have used an edit summary when reverting – why is that? 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 00:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't see where that guideline says to link to Bahrain nor did I see in the discussion.I didn't include suggest Bahrain was specifically mentioned my the guideline. Rather, it is clear from the guideline that countries "with which most readers will [not] be at least somewhat familiar" are typically linked, as is fitting with MOS:LINK § Principles generally. Do you read the guideline and the spirit thereof differently?
Should I have added a note "oppose undiscussed change"? Probably. Are you expecting a formal apology or something?I am not requesting a formal apology, but a brief "sorry" is typically offered by someone working in good faith to build a consensus in such a circumstance. 207.161.86.162 ( talk) 01:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)