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Is there a page that explains how to properly use the parameters like there are for other templates? for example Template:Citation
It seems that this template has examples on how is used, but not a how to use it list. Like for example:
and so forth, that way infoboxes would remain more uniform, and have less discrepancies (some with "Barack Hussein Obama Jr" and others with just "Bill Clinton") or having spouses being listed from most recent to less, and vice versa. Or having occupations/profession separated with comas instead of < / br>, i know i have committed every mistake in every field, and after the 20th time of using the field i realized "oh i guess its like this now!". I dont know just saying...or asking? mijotoba ( talk) 06:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
This talk page has accumulated several open requests, such as the one by Rrius. I am afraid that the fact that (a) this template is fully protected and (b) reasonable requests don't get resolved frustrates good editors. The history doesn't seem to show any disrupting edits prior to the protection. Given that the very first thing we write about ourselves on the home page is "Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.", we need a good reason when we make exceptions. — Sebastian 17:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Entries in this template which refer to other persons have the syntax "tag - name", where tag refers to that other person. Example: If the box in article "Madeleine Albright" contains the entry "President - Bill Clinton", it means that Clinton was the president presiding over Mrs Albright. True to this syntax, "Succeeded by - Colin Powell" means that Mr Powell succeeded her. This is so obvious thay it may seem strange that I am writing this here. However, this is not carried through in the case of future officeholders. In the article Susan Rice, we have "Succeeding - Zalmay Khalilzad", which should accordingly mean that Mr Khalilzad is (or will be) succeeding her, which is really misleading. Why can't we just leave that at "Preceeded by", as would be the case if Mrs Rice were already in office? I know, it may sound a little awkward, but that's not worth throwing out the baby with the bathwater. (If there really has to be different wording, maybe "current officeholder" could work. That would be ideal in 99% of all cases, but it would need special handling in situations where the office is currently vacant.) — Sebastian 17:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
change to ja:Template:政治家.-- CLOMEDAU ( talk) 21:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} There has been a problem since the conversion from the politician/judge/senator etc. infoboxes to the big huge "Officeholder" regarding the "appointed/r" field. Here you can see that the appointed doesn't show up for the second office, though it would for the first, while this shows how a change in the entry allows for the info to show up, as it does in the current version of the article. I would prefer not having to make a change in about 100 articles that I made, let alone how many others were made by others (note the syntax for the judge entry still shows appointer). Aboutmovies ( talk) 07:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Should we not differentiate between Office (i.e. elected) and anything/someone else. The First Lady (now Laura Bush) is not elected, and holds not office. Period. - DePiep ( talk) 00:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
This template creates incorrect automatic links. Take a look at George W. P. Hunt. He was the United States Minister to Siam. He was a minister, not an ambassador, and when he was minister, the country was named Siam. Yet if the the ambassador parameters are filled out, a link to United States Ambassador to Siam is created, which is not correct. The link should read “United States Minister to Siam” but the piped link should go to United States Ambassador to Thailand, which is correct. • Life of Riley ( talk) 05:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
#REDIRECT [[]]
to send that link to the correct page, hence keeping the right title in the infobox and linking it to the correct page as well.
mijotoba (
talk) 15:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)The way this template is currently implemented, filling in "awards" automatically establishes the existence of a "Military service" subsection and lists the award there. Since awards such as the Presidential Medal of Freedom can be given to those who never served in the military, the linkage between the two is inappropriate, and possibly a vestige of the infobox merge that led to a shared {{ infobox Officeholder}}. The workaround that I used for Ryan Crocker was to make use of blank1/data1. I would think that non-military awards are common enough that a more standardized approach should be available. 66.167.48.198 ( talk) 01:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC).
|blank1 = Awards |data1 = Presidential Medal of Freedom
--
Philip Stevens (
talk) 10:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)I have scoured the template page and I cannot see an image-size parameter anywhere. Can it be added please? Thanks. – ukexpat ( talk) 16:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
|imagesize =
. It is on the template documentation. --
Philip Stevens (
talk) 21:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)</code>
not
<code/>
... – ukexpat ( talk) 21:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm worrying too much. But is it possible, that having the current Senators listed as Senior Senator of... & Junior Senator of... might be mis-leading? Might give the false impression to less familiar readers, that (for example) in California, Feinstein has more Senatorial authority then Boxer (which she doesn't)? GoodDay ( talk) 17:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
[[Seniority in the United States Senate|Senior]] [[United States Senate|Senator]] from [[Vermont]].
I think the note of who is the senior and junior senator is needed. Cassandro ( talk) 18:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree with all this, but I do ask that if the sr/jr be dropped that the infobox parameter be changed to United States Senator rather than Senator. Qqqqqq ( talk) 22:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad the "Junior/Senior" thing is gone. It created confusion, including as to what "preceding" meant. A reader could have interpreted it to mean the predecessor in the seat or as junior senator. It also didn't actually say that the person was a US Senator.
Now that it's gone, should we rename the parameter so it doesn't cause confusion? There have already been edits, including my own, trying to "fix" the fact that "Junior Senator" and "Senior Senator" aren't displaying. - Rrius ( talk) 08:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
jr/sr= Senior <!-- won't display, but needs to be here for now: see [[Template talk: Infobox Officeholder]] -->
Hope you come up with a fix so we can reduce edits and reverts on this . Tvoz/ talk 19:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I hear the opinions but my colleagues in my workplace cannot determine of which senator is senior and the junior. Could you please put them back.. I BEG YOU. Rizalninoynapoleon ( talk) 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps putting whether the Senator is Junior or Senior in the lede can solve the problem here. Spinach Monster ( talk) 19:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The spacing between the lines of small print for the footnotes seems excessive (for example see Josiah Quincy, Jr.). I suggest it be adjusted by a style setting of "line-height: 1.4em". I wrote a template in Wikisource, s:Template:Font-size-x, for this situation, but it is practically as easy to use the style parameter. Bob Burkhardt ( talk) 18:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
From my reading of
Endash#Ranges_of_values, I don't think there should be a space between the en dash and the years on either side of the en dash. The link provided shows a closed en dash being used when the en dash is surrounded by years (e.g., "President Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)"), but not when its surrounded by words (e.g., "June – July 1967"). It may be difficult (and unappreciated) to correct that, but I just thought I'd point this stylistic issue out. For an example of how this problem looks, see the infobox at
Norman Birkett: "1941 – 1950" should be "1941–1950".
Emw2012 (
talk) 17:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
endterm=1 January 2000
would give "31 December 1899 – 1 January 2000", and endterm=2000
"31 December 1899 – 2000. To make it function differently would require some more complicated switch codings within the template. If you can find a workable solution please feel free to request its implementation, but for now I'm removing the editprotected as there isn't specific details of how this fix can be made. Best wishes,
Rambo's Revenge
(talk) 22:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC){{ editprotected}}
Thanks - J JMesserly ( talk) 16:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Occasionally, political positions have more than one occupant at a time, for example a multiple-member electoral district which has two or more representatives at once. I've implemented a workaround for the time being — see Darlene Marzari for an example — but would like to ask for input on whether an edit field specifically for "coincumbent" should be added to this template. Bearcat ( talk) 00:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Can we have "Net worth" added. I can find stuff about Occupation and profession but nothing about worth. Thanks Chendy ( talk) 18:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
For U.S. Representatives-elect, the "succeeding" parameter currently renders as, for example, "U.S. Representative from
Illinois's
5th". Sitting Representatives are treated differently, "Member of the
U.S. House of Representatives from
Illinois's
6th district". I see two alternatives: change the first to be exactly the same as the second except to add "-elect" after "Member". Statutes do refer to them as Members-elect, so that wouldn't be weird. The other alternative is to use "
United States Representative [or
United States Representative-elect] from
Illinois's
6th district". Of course "United States" could continue to be shortened to "U.S." if the former is too long. -
Rrius (
talk) 05:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The above edit had an unintended consequence. It made state upper and lower houses display differently. upper houses display as "Member of the Illinois Senate from...", but lower houses display as Illinois State Representative from...". In most states, sandwiching "State" in there does not reflect the actual name of the office anyway. Ultimately, the answer is probably to decouple state lower houses from the U.S. House (why are they together now?). A temporary fix can be found in my sandbox. - Rrius ( talk) 02:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | → | Archive 15 |
Is there a page that explains how to properly use the parameters like there are for other templates? for example Template:Citation
It seems that this template has examples on how is used, but not a how to use it list. Like for example:
and so forth, that way infoboxes would remain more uniform, and have less discrepancies (some with "Barack Hussein Obama Jr" and others with just "Bill Clinton") or having spouses being listed from most recent to less, and vice versa. Or having occupations/profession separated with comas instead of < / br>, i know i have committed every mistake in every field, and after the 20th time of using the field i realized "oh i guess its like this now!". I dont know just saying...or asking? mijotoba ( talk) 06:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
This talk page has accumulated several open requests, such as the one by Rrius. I am afraid that the fact that (a) this template is fully protected and (b) reasonable requests don't get resolved frustrates good editors. The history doesn't seem to show any disrupting edits prior to the protection. Given that the very first thing we write about ourselves on the home page is "Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.", we need a good reason when we make exceptions. — Sebastian 17:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Entries in this template which refer to other persons have the syntax "tag - name", where tag refers to that other person. Example: If the box in article "Madeleine Albright" contains the entry "President - Bill Clinton", it means that Clinton was the president presiding over Mrs Albright. True to this syntax, "Succeeded by - Colin Powell" means that Mr Powell succeeded her. This is so obvious thay it may seem strange that I am writing this here. However, this is not carried through in the case of future officeholders. In the article Susan Rice, we have "Succeeding - Zalmay Khalilzad", which should accordingly mean that Mr Khalilzad is (or will be) succeeding her, which is really misleading. Why can't we just leave that at "Preceeded by", as would be the case if Mrs Rice were already in office? I know, it may sound a little awkward, but that's not worth throwing out the baby with the bathwater. (If there really has to be different wording, maybe "current officeholder" could work. That would be ideal in 99% of all cases, but it would need special handling in situations where the office is currently vacant.) — Sebastian 17:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
change to ja:Template:政治家.-- CLOMEDAU ( talk) 21:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} There has been a problem since the conversion from the politician/judge/senator etc. infoboxes to the big huge "Officeholder" regarding the "appointed/r" field. Here you can see that the appointed doesn't show up for the second office, though it would for the first, while this shows how a change in the entry allows for the info to show up, as it does in the current version of the article. I would prefer not having to make a change in about 100 articles that I made, let alone how many others were made by others (note the syntax for the judge entry still shows appointer). Aboutmovies ( talk) 07:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Should we not differentiate between Office (i.e. elected) and anything/someone else. The First Lady (now Laura Bush) is not elected, and holds not office. Period. - DePiep ( talk) 00:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
This template creates incorrect automatic links. Take a look at George W. P. Hunt. He was the United States Minister to Siam. He was a minister, not an ambassador, and when he was minister, the country was named Siam. Yet if the the ambassador parameters are filled out, a link to United States Ambassador to Siam is created, which is not correct. The link should read “United States Minister to Siam” but the piped link should go to United States Ambassador to Thailand, which is correct. • Life of Riley ( talk) 05:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
#REDIRECT [[]]
to send that link to the correct page, hence keeping the right title in the infobox and linking it to the correct page as well.
mijotoba (
talk) 15:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)The way this template is currently implemented, filling in "awards" automatically establishes the existence of a "Military service" subsection and lists the award there. Since awards such as the Presidential Medal of Freedom can be given to those who never served in the military, the linkage between the two is inappropriate, and possibly a vestige of the infobox merge that led to a shared {{ infobox Officeholder}}. The workaround that I used for Ryan Crocker was to make use of blank1/data1. I would think that non-military awards are common enough that a more standardized approach should be available. 66.167.48.198 ( talk) 01:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC).
|blank1 = Awards |data1 = Presidential Medal of Freedom
--
Philip Stevens (
talk) 10:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)I have scoured the template page and I cannot see an image-size parameter anywhere. Can it be added please? Thanks. – ukexpat ( talk) 16:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
|imagesize =
. It is on the template documentation. --
Philip Stevens (
talk) 21:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)</code>
not
<code/>
... – ukexpat ( talk) 21:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm worrying too much. But is it possible, that having the current Senators listed as Senior Senator of... & Junior Senator of... might be mis-leading? Might give the false impression to less familiar readers, that (for example) in California, Feinstein has more Senatorial authority then Boxer (which she doesn't)? GoodDay ( talk) 17:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
[[Seniority in the United States Senate|Senior]] [[United States Senate|Senator]] from [[Vermont]].
I think the note of who is the senior and junior senator is needed. Cassandro ( talk) 18:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree with all this, but I do ask that if the sr/jr be dropped that the infobox parameter be changed to United States Senator rather than Senator. Qqqqqq ( talk) 22:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad the "Junior/Senior" thing is gone. It created confusion, including as to what "preceding" meant. A reader could have interpreted it to mean the predecessor in the seat or as junior senator. It also didn't actually say that the person was a US Senator.
Now that it's gone, should we rename the parameter so it doesn't cause confusion? There have already been edits, including my own, trying to "fix" the fact that "Junior Senator" and "Senior Senator" aren't displaying. - Rrius ( talk) 08:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
jr/sr= Senior <!-- won't display, but needs to be here for now: see [[Template talk: Infobox Officeholder]] -->
Hope you come up with a fix so we can reduce edits and reverts on this . Tvoz/ talk 19:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I hear the opinions but my colleagues in my workplace cannot determine of which senator is senior and the junior. Could you please put them back.. I BEG YOU. Rizalninoynapoleon ( talk) 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps putting whether the Senator is Junior or Senior in the lede can solve the problem here. Spinach Monster ( talk) 19:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The spacing between the lines of small print for the footnotes seems excessive (for example see Josiah Quincy, Jr.). I suggest it be adjusted by a style setting of "line-height: 1.4em". I wrote a template in Wikisource, s:Template:Font-size-x, for this situation, but it is practically as easy to use the style parameter. Bob Burkhardt ( talk) 18:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
From my reading of
Endash#Ranges_of_values, I don't think there should be a space between the en dash and the years on either side of the en dash. The link provided shows a closed en dash being used when the en dash is surrounded by years (e.g., "President Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)"), but not when its surrounded by words (e.g., "June – July 1967"). It may be difficult (and unappreciated) to correct that, but I just thought I'd point this stylistic issue out. For an example of how this problem looks, see the infobox at
Norman Birkett: "1941 – 1950" should be "1941–1950".
Emw2012 (
talk) 17:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
endterm=1 January 2000
would give "31 December 1899 – 1 January 2000", and endterm=2000
"31 December 1899 – 2000. To make it function differently would require some more complicated switch codings within the template. If you can find a workable solution please feel free to request its implementation, but for now I'm removing the editprotected as there isn't specific details of how this fix can be made. Best wishes,
Rambo's Revenge
(talk) 22:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC){{ editprotected}}
Thanks - J JMesserly ( talk) 16:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Occasionally, political positions have more than one occupant at a time, for example a multiple-member electoral district which has two or more representatives at once. I've implemented a workaround for the time being — see Darlene Marzari for an example — but would like to ask for input on whether an edit field specifically for "coincumbent" should be added to this template. Bearcat ( talk) 00:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Can we have "Net worth" added. I can find stuff about Occupation and profession but nothing about worth. Thanks Chendy ( talk) 18:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
For U.S. Representatives-elect, the "succeeding" parameter currently renders as, for example, "U.S. Representative from
Illinois's
5th". Sitting Representatives are treated differently, "Member of the
U.S. House of Representatives from
Illinois's
6th district". I see two alternatives: change the first to be exactly the same as the second except to add "-elect" after "Member". Statutes do refer to them as Members-elect, so that wouldn't be weird. The other alternative is to use "
United States Representative [or
United States Representative-elect] from
Illinois's
6th district". Of course "United States" could continue to be shortened to "U.S." if the former is too long. -
Rrius (
talk) 05:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The above edit had an unintended consequence. It made state upper and lower houses display differently. upper houses display as "Member of the Illinois Senate from...", but lower houses display as Illinois State Representative from...". In most states, sandwiching "State" in there does not reflect the actual name of the office anyway. Ultimately, the answer is probably to decouple state lower houses from the U.S. House (why are they together now?). A temporary fix can be found in my sandbox. - Rrius ( talk) 02:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)