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Description of suggested change: Change the link from Eskimo–Aleut languages to Eskaleut languages due to page move
{{
Infobox language}}
. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. –
Jonesey95 (
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Description of suggested change: Description of suggested change: When Parameter 'familycolor' is set to "Eskimo-Aleut" or "Eskaleut" change the default link that appears in the infobox from Eskimo–Aleut languages to Eskaleut languages due to page move.
Atavoidturk ( talk) 12:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
The URL format for languages has changed since 2007 (what was "ethnologue/18/language/swi/" for example is now "ethnologue/language/swi/"
This affects all template uses that still have a date of 2007 (at least). The template should be updated to the new format, regardless of the date parameter specified, and/or template instances should be checked and updated automatically. (Or do we have 9600 editors willing to check one page each?) Jimw338 ( talk) 16:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for reaching out with this question. As Gary mentioned last May, our webmaster went on unexpected leave, and then ended up resigning his position shortly thereafter. We have been working on bringing a new webmaster up to speed these last few months and are slowly working through a backlog of significant updates and improvements to the new website. I am happy to confirm for you that our backlog includes plans to both implement redirects as well as improve error messages such as what you have pointed out. Unfortunately with a very small team and limited resources, we have had to make difficult choices on what improvements to prioritize, and we have not yet reached those two particular issues. But we are committed to continue working on these updates as quickly as we humanly can.a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 11:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
This template generates references to Ethnologue like this. The references appear in the infobox to substantiate the number of speakers claims for the infobox. But a specific number of speakers isn't offered at the link -- just a very broad range (10K to 1M, in this example). Is this an acceptable reference? It doesn't seem to be to me, since the specific numbers of speakers that appear in infoboxes aren't verifiable with these links. -- Mikeblas ( talk) 23:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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Change "speakers" to "Speakers" to match capitalization of other parameters. Arctic Circle System ( talk) 07:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
|speakers_label=
parameter, as in |speakers_label=Speakers
. As an example, see the infobox in the
Arabic article. If you know of an infobox that has a "speakers" label with a small "s", the leading "s" can be uppercased with the |speakers_label=Speakers
parameter and argument.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.
put'er there 08:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
|ref=
parameter, then the figures can be removed until such sources can be provided.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.
put'er there 15:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)I want to ask on whether it's correct to use this parameter on individual articles of Languages of Indonesia (such as Javanese language). The issue arises from the parameter generating the header "Recognised minority language in", which doesn't align with Indonesia's context. In Indonesia, there are no specific laws regulating "minority languages." In fact, the Javanese language could be considered a majority language as it's spoken by the Javanese ethnic group, and they comprises around 40% of the total population. However, Indonesia does recognize local languages, as explicitly stated in Article 32 of the constitution, which declares, "The state recognizes and preserves local languages as national cultural treasures." Ckfasdf ( talk) 08:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
minority: list of countries in which it is a recognized/protected minority language. This is intended for legal protection and similar de jure recognition, not simply being listed on a census and other de facto recognition.
In Indonesia, there are no specific laws regulating "minority languages."then I guess this field should not be used. a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 11:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
|nation=
parameter, 2) Central Java Regulation Number 9 of 2012, which state protection and development of Javanese language in Central Java, 3) Governor of East Java Regulation Number 19 of 2014, which promotes education of regional languages (Javanese and
Madurese). Those regulations does recognize Javanese language, but none of those regulations mention Javanese language as "minority language". Similar case can be found on other
Languages of Indonesia.
Ckfasdf (
talk)
|minority=
parameter generates "Recognised minority language in". We don't have any issue with the "Recognised" part. However, the same cannot be said for the "minority" part, especially in the case of the Javanese language, as they actually constitute the majority. This may mislead the average reader into thinking Javanese people are a minority and create confusion for those who know Javanese people as the majority. Furthermore, the reader might erroneously assume that there is a regulation explicitly stating Javanese as a recognised minority language.|nation=
parameter, which it's documentation clearly states list of countries in which it is an official language. Ckfasdf ( talk) 14:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
|minority=
to something else (|recoginition=
perhaps?), as it does not accurately reflect its content.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 01:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)|minority=
parameter is not fit to be used in individual articles of
Languages of Indonesia (such as
Javanese language). I believe discussion to modify |minority=
parameter should be done on separate section.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 06:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Refer to discussion on previous section. I'd like to propose to add the following parameter into the template:
{{{recognition}}}
, which create the header of "Recognised language in", this parameter intended to list language that has de jure recognition on certain countries/territories. This parameter shares similarities with the |minority=
and |nation=
parameters, which specifically list languages recognized as minority languages and those with official status respectively. However, it serves a different function, albeit somewhat akin to the aforementioned parameters. The addition of this new parameter will also address the issue mentioned in the previous section.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 07:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
|nation=
will only list countries where Spanish is an de jure official language (Colombia, Spain, Peru, Venezuela, Guatemala, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba, Domincan Republic, Honduras, Paraguay, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Equitorial Guinea, Puerto Rico), and |recognition=
will list countries where Spanish has de jure recognition other than as official language, such as Philipines.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 01:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
If I'm addressing the wrong talk page, sorry, my mistake. However, about national v official, the point I raised still applies. Neither is suitable because their meanings are both ambiguous so constant confusion will arise. National can mean relating to a sovereign state and to an ethnic group. Official can be according to a written rule or to common usage. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 20:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've just created {{ e27}} (for this) but it looks like something needs to be done here as well. a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 12:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
According to a search of the archives this has been brought up more than once over the years. Given that “Altaic” is widely rejected as a valid grouping, there should be separate colors at least for Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic languages. Koreanic and Japonic could get their own colors or use the "isolate" color. عُثمان ( talk) 14:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:Infobox language/linguistlist has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace [[Category:Languages with Linglist code]]
with [[Category:Language articles with Linglist code]]
per
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Languages with Linglist code. (Note this is an edit request for {{
Infobox language/linguistlist}}, not {{
infobox language}}.) Thanks!
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him) 15:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:Infobox language is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. Functionality of the template can be checked using test cases. |
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||
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This page has archives. Sections older than 240 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present. |
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Description of suggested change: Change the link from Eskimo–Aleut languages to Eskaleut languages due to page move
{{
Infobox language}}
. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 22:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Description of suggested change: Description of suggested change: When Parameter 'familycolor' is set to "Eskimo-Aleut" or "Eskaleut" change the default link that appears in the infobox from Eskimo–Aleut languages to Eskaleut languages due to page move.
Atavoidturk ( talk) 12:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
The URL format for languages has changed since 2007 (what was "ethnologue/18/language/swi/" for example is now "ethnologue/language/swi/"
This affects all template uses that still have a date of 2007 (at least). The template should be updated to the new format, regardless of the date parameter specified, and/or template instances should be checked and updated automatically. (Or do we have 9600 editors willing to check one page each?) Jimw338 ( talk) 16:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for reaching out with this question. As Gary mentioned last May, our webmaster went on unexpected leave, and then ended up resigning his position shortly thereafter. We have been working on bringing a new webmaster up to speed these last few months and are slowly working through a backlog of significant updates and improvements to the new website. I am happy to confirm for you that our backlog includes plans to both implement redirects as well as improve error messages such as what you have pointed out. Unfortunately with a very small team and limited resources, we have had to make difficult choices on what improvements to prioritize, and we have not yet reached those two particular issues. But we are committed to continue working on these updates as quickly as we humanly can.a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 11:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
This template generates references to Ethnologue like this. The references appear in the infobox to substantiate the number of speakers claims for the infobox. But a specific number of speakers isn't offered at the link -- just a very broad range (10K to 1M, in this example). Is this an acceptable reference? It doesn't seem to be to me, since the specific numbers of speakers that appear in infoboxes aren't verifiable with these links. -- Mikeblas ( talk) 23:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change "speakers" to "Speakers" to match capitalization of other parameters. Arctic Circle System ( talk) 07:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
|speakers_label=
parameter, as in |speakers_label=Speakers
. As an example, see the infobox in the
Arabic article. If you know of an infobox that has a "speakers" label with a small "s", the leading "s" can be uppercased with the |speakers_label=Speakers
parameter and argument.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.
put'er there 08:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
|ref=
parameter, then the figures can be removed until such sources can be provided.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.
put'er there 15:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)I want to ask on whether it's correct to use this parameter on individual articles of Languages of Indonesia (such as Javanese language). The issue arises from the parameter generating the header "Recognised minority language in", which doesn't align with Indonesia's context. In Indonesia, there are no specific laws regulating "minority languages." In fact, the Javanese language could be considered a majority language as it's spoken by the Javanese ethnic group, and they comprises around 40% of the total population. However, Indonesia does recognize local languages, as explicitly stated in Article 32 of the constitution, which declares, "The state recognizes and preserves local languages as national cultural treasures." Ckfasdf ( talk) 08:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
minority: list of countries in which it is a recognized/protected minority language. This is intended for legal protection and similar de jure recognition, not simply being listed on a census and other de facto recognition.
In Indonesia, there are no specific laws regulating "minority languages."then I guess this field should not be used. a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 11:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
|nation=
parameter, 2) Central Java Regulation Number 9 of 2012, which state protection and development of Javanese language in Central Java, 3) Governor of East Java Regulation Number 19 of 2014, which promotes education of regional languages (Javanese and
Madurese). Those regulations does recognize Javanese language, but none of those regulations mention Javanese language as "minority language". Similar case can be found on other
Languages of Indonesia.
Ckfasdf (
talk)
|minority=
parameter generates "Recognised minority language in". We don't have any issue with the "Recognised" part. However, the same cannot be said for the "minority" part, especially in the case of the Javanese language, as they actually constitute the majority. This may mislead the average reader into thinking Javanese people are a minority and create confusion for those who know Javanese people as the majority. Furthermore, the reader might erroneously assume that there is a regulation explicitly stating Javanese as a recognised minority language.|nation=
parameter, which it's documentation clearly states list of countries in which it is an official language. Ckfasdf ( talk) 14:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
|minority=
to something else (|recoginition=
perhaps?), as it does not accurately reflect its content.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 01:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)|minority=
parameter is not fit to be used in individual articles of
Languages of Indonesia (such as
Javanese language). I believe discussion to modify |minority=
parameter should be done on separate section.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 06:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Refer to discussion on previous section. I'd like to propose to add the following parameter into the template:
{{{recognition}}}
, which create the header of "Recognised language in", this parameter intended to list language that has de jure recognition on certain countries/territories. This parameter shares similarities with the |minority=
and |nation=
parameters, which specifically list languages recognized as minority languages and those with official status respectively. However, it serves a different function, albeit somewhat akin to the aforementioned parameters. The addition of this new parameter will also address the issue mentioned in the previous section.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 07:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
|nation=
will only list countries where Spanish is an de jure official language (Colombia, Spain, Peru, Venezuela, Guatemala, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba, Domincan Republic, Honduras, Paraguay, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Equitorial Guinea, Puerto Rico), and |recognition=
will list countries where Spanish has de jure recognition other than as official language, such as Philipines.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 01:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
If I'm addressing the wrong talk page, sorry, my mistake. However, about national v official, the point I raised still applies. Neither is suitable because their meanings are both ambiguous so constant confusion will arise. National can mean relating to a sovereign state and to an ethnic group. Official can be according to a written rule or to common usage. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 20:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I've just created {{ e27}} (for this) but it looks like something needs to be done here as well. a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 12:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
According to a search of the archives this has been brought up more than once over the years. Given that “Altaic” is widely rejected as a valid grouping, there should be separate colors at least for Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic languages. Koreanic and Japonic could get their own colors or use the "isolate" color. عُثمان ( talk) 14:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:Infobox language/linguistlist has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace [[Category:Languages with Linglist code]]
with [[Category:Language articles with Linglist code]]
per
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Languages with Linglist code. (Note this is an edit request for {{
Infobox language/linguistlist}}, not {{
infobox language}}.) Thanks!
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him) 15:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)