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In the article Burkina Faso, there is a use of {{ Infobox Former Country}} for Upper Volta. This causes the article to show up in Category:1984 disestablishments, which is silly, since the 1984 event is just a renaming (the revolution was 1982). I am not sure what's the correct way to fix this. Is {{ Infobox Former Country}} even the right template for a renamed country? Randall Bart Talk 19:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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editprotected}}
This change allows wikipedia to emit data in the form of
microformat metadata, as do other infoboxes
such as these and
and these. The change should have no visual impact and introduces non functional classes to elements of the table. These classes are recognized by external microformat parsers to retrieve information in the cells.
Requested changes:
These changes have been in effect on page Gojoseon using a sandbox version of this template for two weeks with no complaints. Thank you. - J JMesserly ( talk) 05:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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editprotected}}
Per
WP:DASH, {{{year_start}}} – {{{year_end}}}
--> {{{year_start}}}–{{{year_end}}}
(i.e., take out the spaces).
Dabomb87 (
talk)
04:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
In cases where a country was established in xxxx BC and lasted until yyyy AD, people are (quite reasonably) including " AD" in the year_end value. This results in the article being incorrectly tagged as "yyyy AD disestablishments" instead of "yyyy disestablishments". (Examples: Han Dynasty and Satavahana) — Paul A ( talk) 07:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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I've merged the contents of the "/Blank" page with the main template documentation. Requesting de-transclusion of it from the main template. New code is in the sandbox.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk
18:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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The recent changes (30 June 2009) do not work in the Opera browser as shown by this screenshot (notice the double border):
I am requesting a reversal unless the fix for it can be found quickly. Mnmazur ( talk)
What do the coordinate parameters do (the latd, longd etc)? I tried adding them, but didn't see any change. This is not given in the documentation so I'm asking here. Chamal talk 11:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
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The link of the word "Capital" should direct to
List of former national capitals instead of
List of historical national capitals.
Rubenescio (
talk)
20:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
ru:Шаблон:Историческое государство-- Sergei ( talk) 08:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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Requesting re-sync with sandbox, which sets the default infobox width to 22em (which is what {{ infobox}} defaults to). This was changed without discussion to 180px, a change which was not accepted in the MoS. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
— .`^) Paine Ellsworth diss`cuss (^`. 08:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
In the case of several articles such as
Austria-Hungary,
German Empire and
Soviet Union, when there are more than 4 flags ("succeeded by"), the flags are almost invisible. They are being cut off to the right. Can this be fixed? I took this problem to the
Village Pump (where all the fine details about this problem can be found), but perhaps I should have brought it here first? Thank you for any help you can give.
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
03:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I just found a fix for this problem, but I do not have the power to edit this template. Can someone help me?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This is a bit complicated. The widths of the columns that show the flags toward the bottom must be decreased just a bit for the flags to be fully visible. If you remove the protection, I'll be glad to make the changes. If you prefer, you can just copy the source from
this temporary template I created to troubleshoot the problem.
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
06:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of moving your sandbox code to the correct place Template:Infobox Former Country/sandbox. There is also a comparison of the two templates on Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases. Feel free to use these standard subpages in future.
Well done for getting your hands dirty and trying to fix this template! As for the request itself, it seems not so straightforward. On Internet Explorer, your new version looks much better as you say. However on Firefox, I have to say that the current version looks better. So perhaps the best fix has not been found yet. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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To briefly recap: I happened across this template on the
Austria-Hungary page. In my IE7 browser, the "Succeeded by" flags toward the bottom of the template are almost invisible. They are cut off on the right. I troubleshot this template and found a fix (in IE7). Having received no answer from the above editor, I would like someone with a Firefox browser to confirm that the template found at
Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases, the one on the right, is acceptable in Firefox. Specifically, is the flag section toward the bottom of the template acceptable? If it is, then it's time for an administrator to make the two small changes that will fix the
Template:Infobox Former Country. You will find the bottom part of the code nowikified
on this page, and the two widths that must be altered are highlighted in bronze on that page. Thank you very much in advance for a speedy solution to this problem!
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
17:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
(out) Okay, Martin, I've checked several articles that use this template. All look fine with one exception, the
Second Polish Republic. I've placed this one in
Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases and tried altering just the 2nd width command. I tried 94% and 93%, but had to go to 92% to get the best image in IE7. If that looks okay in FireFox, then please make this change to the
Template:Infobox Former Country.
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
07:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This problem is almost resolved, however there is still at least one instance (perhaps more than one) on the
Second Polish Republic page where the lower flags are only partially visible in Internet Explorer 7. They are still cut off to the right. To fix this, the second width, as shown by the sandbox version on the
Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases page was decreased from 95% to 92%. There are two widths that have previously been adjusted by an administrator, and they can be found nowiki'd in
this sandbox highlighted in bronze. The first width near the top can be left alone. If you scroll down to the 2nd width highlighted in bronze, that is the width that needs to be changed slightly to 92%. The trick is to ensure that the alteration is also viable across browsers, for example in FireFox. If it still looks good in FireFox, then this one more slight decrease to the 2nd width in
Template:Infobox Former Country ought to completely resolve this problem. Thank you very much!
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
12:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
(out) Skomorokh? Martin? Where did ya'll go? Is there anybody around who can check the sandbox version in FireFox and help us put this one to bed?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
20:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editrequested}}
Yes, thank you, Skomorokh! There is a diff in IE7: The flags toward the bottoms of the templates show differently. The flags in the template on the left are about 1/2 cut off to the right (they go off the template). The flags on the right are shown much better and are only just barely cut off on the right. So yes, the sandbox version of the template is ready to replace the existing working version. Thank you so much for your help in this!
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
00:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I've come across a few places now where the inclusion of the start and/or end year into the events list causes problems. I'm pretty sure that the template used only to force these values in if there was no {{{date_start}}}
or {{{date_end}}}
supplied (though I can't find any evidence that that was ever the case, looking through the history).
Now I know that there are almost 2000 pages transcluding this template, so it'll take some effort to make it the case, but how would people feel about that functionality — only passing {{{year_start}}}
and {{{year_end}}}
into the events list if there is no date argument to match?
The main occasions where it would be useful are where we only have vague dates (where the way the category addition works requires us to enter year_start = the 14th century
and provide a {{{life_span}}}
argument without "the") or where there are a couple of significant events before or after the existence of the independent territory which are worth noting. (I mainly work on states of the
Holy Roman Empire, where this isn't unusual.)
Thoughts, anyone? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 22:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
We should avoid having templates force articles into categories. For example, Kingdom of Kongo is duly categorized into Category:Former monarchies of Africa. This template additionally puts it into Category:Former countries in Africa. This is unwanted, because the former is already a subcategory of the latter. dab (𒁳) 15:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
What is worse it has a global switch _noautocat which fails to switch of some of the content caegorisation, but does turn of the only categories you should transclude, maintenance. Rich Farmbrough, 17:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC).
This template is putting Ajuuraan State in Category:States and territories established in 14th century and Category:17th century disestablishments instead of Category:States and territories established in the 14th century and Category:17th-century disestablishments. -- Pascal 666 12:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
On pages where this template is transcluded, like Kingdom of Navarre, it causes a huge white margin, about six times as wide as a line is heigh, to appear between the text and the infobox, much wider than is usual or desirable for infoboxes. 82.139.87.198 ( talk) 01:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I often work on disambiguating dab-links. For instance, on the article for Federal Republic of Central America. In the template, one of the succeeded by nations is Los Altos. The link points to the dab-page Los Altos. The correct target would be Los Altos, Central America. Normally, I'd try to pipe it to [[Los Altos, Central America|Los Altos]], but this doesn't work. Nor does it work by omitting the set of [[]]. I've seen in other templates that the displayed text only displays text before a set of parentheses. So I tried putting Los Altos (Central America) instead (both with and without the [[]], but this also displayed the full text and thus didn't solve the issue. Can this be solved? - Lilac Soul ( Talk • Contribs) 12:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please link the flag icons for preceding/successive empires? So that they go to the article instead of the image page when clicking on them? Gary King ( talk) 21:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
When reviewing the featured article candidate
Principality of Stavelot-Malmedy I found an accessibility problem relating to its use of {{
Infobox former country}}: the template does not allow the invoker to specify the alt text for the major images, as required by
WP:ALT. (The small flags are purely decorative and do not need alt text, as per
WP:ALT #Purely decorative images.) To fix this, please install
this sandbox change: it adds support for new arguments |flag_alt=
, |coat_alt=
, |image_map_alt=
, and |image_map2_alt=
, and marks the little flags as being purely decorative. I have tested this in
Template:Infobox former country/testcases, and I'll document the new behavior once the edit is installed. Thanks.
Eubulides (
talk)
10:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
The infobox in Warsangali Sultanate had been erroneously filled in with the year of disestablishment as "present", apparently to indicate that it was presently disestablished, thus generating Category:Present disestablishments (see this CFD discussion) One reason of many why templates aren't a good way to apply categories...but is there a way to change the code so that only numbers are accepted as entries in that field? postdlf ( talk) 14:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Funny that it should say as an example "not every single state formed after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire should be listed in the infobox for the Ottoman Empire. Such a list is better described in the article text. Instead, only the official successor state would be given (Turkey)". I came here looking for information because I'm precisely trying to do that ! (There's no reason given for this, actually : the Ottoman empire had a lot of successor states, but then so did Austria-Hungary, which is given here as an example of the opposite). I've put most of the successor states, but I can't make the last three appear. Is is technically possible ? Jean-Jacques Georges ( talk) 13:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
How to add interwikis on the template page itself, not documentation? -- Renessaince ( talk) 06:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 9 |
In the article Burkina Faso, there is a use of {{ Infobox Former Country}} for Upper Volta. This causes the article to show up in Category:1984 disestablishments, which is silly, since the 1984 event is just a renaming (the revolution was 1982). I am not sure what's the correct way to fix this. Is {{ Infobox Former Country}} even the right template for a renamed country? Randall Bart Talk 19:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This change allows wikipedia to emit data in the form of
microformat metadata, as do other infoboxes
such as these and
and these. The change should have no visual impact and introduces non functional classes to elements of the table. These classes are recognized by external microformat parsers to retrieve information in the cells.
Requested changes:
These changes have been in effect on page Gojoseon using a sandbox version of this template for two weeks with no complaints. Thank you. - J JMesserly ( talk) 05:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Per
WP:DASH, {{{year_start}}} – {{{year_end}}}
--> {{{year_start}}}–{{{year_end}}}
(i.e., take out the spaces).
Dabomb87 (
talk)
04:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
In cases where a country was established in xxxx BC and lasted until yyyy AD, people are (quite reasonably) including " AD" in the year_end value. This results in the article being incorrectly tagged as "yyyy AD disestablishments" instead of "yyyy disestablishments". (Examples: Han Dynasty and Satavahana) — Paul A ( talk) 07:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
I've merged the contents of the "/Blank" page with the main template documentation. Requesting de-transclusion of it from the main template. New code is in the sandbox.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk
18:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
The recent changes (30 June 2009) do not work in the Opera browser as shown by this screenshot (notice the double border):
I am requesting a reversal unless the fix for it can be found quickly. Mnmazur ( talk)
What do the coordinate parameters do (the latd, longd etc)? I tried adding them, but didn't see any change. This is not given in the documentation so I'm asking here. Chamal talk 11:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
The link of the word "Capital" should direct to
List of former national capitals instead of
List of historical national capitals.
Rubenescio (
talk)
20:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
ru:Шаблон:Историческое государство-- Sergei ( talk) 08:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Requesting re-sync with sandbox, which sets the default infobox width to 22em (which is what {{ infobox}} defaults to). This was changed without discussion to 180px, a change which was not accepted in the MoS. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
— .`^) Paine Ellsworth diss`cuss (^`. 08:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
In the case of several articles such as
Austria-Hungary,
German Empire and
Soviet Union, when there are more than 4 flags ("succeeded by"), the flags are almost invisible. They are being cut off to the right. Can this be fixed? I took this problem to the
Village Pump (where all the fine details about this problem can be found), but perhaps I should have brought it here first? Thank you for any help you can give.
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
03:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I just found a fix for this problem, but I do not have the power to edit this template. Can someone help me?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
06:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This is a bit complicated. The widths of the columns that show the flags toward the bottom must be decreased just a bit for the flags to be fully visible. If you remove the protection, I'll be glad to make the changes. If you prefer, you can just copy the source from
this temporary template I created to troubleshoot the problem.
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
06:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of moving your sandbox code to the correct place Template:Infobox Former Country/sandbox. There is also a comparison of the two templates on Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases. Feel free to use these standard subpages in future.
Well done for getting your hands dirty and trying to fix this template! As for the request itself, it seems not so straightforward. On Internet Explorer, your new version looks much better as you say. However on Firefox, I have to say that the current version looks better. So perhaps the best fix has not been found yet. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
To briefly recap: I happened across this template on the
Austria-Hungary page. In my IE7 browser, the "Succeeded by" flags toward the bottom of the template are almost invisible. They are cut off on the right. I troubleshot this template and found a fix (in IE7). Having received no answer from the above editor, I would like someone with a Firefox browser to confirm that the template found at
Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases, the one on the right, is acceptable in Firefox. Specifically, is the flag section toward the bottom of the template acceptable? If it is, then it's time for an administrator to make the two small changes that will fix the
Template:Infobox Former Country. You will find the bottom part of the code nowikified
on this page, and the two widths that must be altered are highlighted in bronze on that page. Thank you very much in advance for a speedy solution to this problem!
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
17:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
(out) Okay, Martin, I've checked several articles that use this template. All look fine with one exception, the
Second Polish Republic. I've placed this one in
Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases and tried altering just the 2nd width command. I tried 94% and 93%, but had to go to 92% to get the best image in IE7. If that looks okay in FireFox, then please make this change to the
Template:Infobox Former Country.
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
07:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This problem is almost resolved, however there is still at least one instance (perhaps more than one) on the
Second Polish Republic page where the lower flags are only partially visible in Internet Explorer 7. They are still cut off to the right. To fix this, the second width, as shown by the sandbox version on the
Template:Infobox Former Country/testcases page was decreased from 95% to 92%. There are two widths that have previously been adjusted by an administrator, and they can be found nowiki'd in
this sandbox highlighted in bronze. The first width near the top can be left alone. If you scroll down to the 2nd width highlighted in bronze, that is the width that needs to be changed slightly to 92%. The trick is to ensure that the alteration is also viable across browsers, for example in FireFox. If it still looks good in FireFox, then this one more slight decrease to the 2nd width in
Template:Infobox Former Country ought to completely resolve this problem. Thank you very much!
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
12:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
(out) Skomorokh? Martin? Where did ya'll go? Is there anybody around who can check the sandbox version in FireFox and help us put this one to bed?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
20:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editrequested}}
Yes, thank you, Skomorokh! There is a diff in IE7: The flags toward the bottoms of the templates show differently. The flags in the template on the left are about 1/2 cut off to the right (they go off the template). The flags on the right are shown much better and are only just barely cut off on the right. So yes, the sandbox version of the template is ready to replace the existing working version. Thank you so much for your help in this!
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
00:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I've come across a few places now where the inclusion of the start and/or end year into the events list causes problems. I'm pretty sure that the template used only to force these values in if there was no {{{date_start}}}
or {{{date_end}}}
supplied (though I can't find any evidence that that was ever the case, looking through the history).
Now I know that there are almost 2000 pages transcluding this template, so it'll take some effort to make it the case, but how would people feel about that functionality — only passing {{{year_start}}}
and {{{year_end}}}
into the events list if there is no date argument to match?
The main occasions where it would be useful are where we only have vague dates (where the way the category addition works requires us to enter year_start = the 14th century
and provide a {{{life_span}}}
argument without "the") or where there are a couple of significant events before or after the existence of the independent territory which are worth noting. (I mainly work on states of the
Holy Roman Empire, where this isn't unusual.)
Thoughts, anyone? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 22:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
We should avoid having templates force articles into categories. For example, Kingdom of Kongo is duly categorized into Category:Former monarchies of Africa. This template additionally puts it into Category:Former countries in Africa. This is unwanted, because the former is already a subcategory of the latter. dab (𒁳) 15:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
What is worse it has a global switch _noautocat which fails to switch of some of the content caegorisation, but does turn of the only categories you should transclude, maintenance. Rich Farmbrough, 17:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC).
This template is putting Ajuuraan State in Category:States and territories established in 14th century and Category:17th century disestablishments instead of Category:States and territories established in the 14th century and Category:17th-century disestablishments. -- Pascal 666 12:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
On pages where this template is transcluded, like Kingdom of Navarre, it causes a huge white margin, about six times as wide as a line is heigh, to appear between the text and the infobox, much wider than is usual or desirable for infoboxes. 82.139.87.198 ( talk) 01:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I often work on disambiguating dab-links. For instance, on the article for Federal Republic of Central America. In the template, one of the succeeded by nations is Los Altos. The link points to the dab-page Los Altos. The correct target would be Los Altos, Central America. Normally, I'd try to pipe it to [[Los Altos, Central America|Los Altos]], but this doesn't work. Nor does it work by omitting the set of [[]]. I've seen in other templates that the displayed text only displays text before a set of parentheses. So I tried putting Los Altos (Central America) instead (both with and without the [[]], but this also displayed the full text and thus didn't solve the issue. Can this be solved? - Lilac Soul ( Talk • Contribs) 12:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please link the flag icons for preceding/successive empires? So that they go to the article instead of the image page when clicking on them? Gary King ( talk) 21:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
When reviewing the featured article candidate
Principality of Stavelot-Malmedy I found an accessibility problem relating to its use of {{
Infobox former country}}: the template does not allow the invoker to specify the alt text for the major images, as required by
WP:ALT. (The small flags are purely decorative and do not need alt text, as per
WP:ALT #Purely decorative images.) To fix this, please install
this sandbox change: it adds support for new arguments |flag_alt=
, |coat_alt=
, |image_map_alt=
, and |image_map2_alt=
, and marks the little flags as being purely decorative. I have tested this in
Template:Infobox former country/testcases, and I'll document the new behavior once the edit is installed. Thanks.
Eubulides (
talk)
10:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
The infobox in Warsangali Sultanate had been erroneously filled in with the year of disestablishment as "present", apparently to indicate that it was presently disestablished, thus generating Category:Present disestablishments (see this CFD discussion) One reason of many why templates aren't a good way to apply categories...but is there a way to change the code so that only numbers are accepted as entries in that field? postdlf ( talk) 14:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Funny that it should say as an example "not every single state formed after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire should be listed in the infobox for the Ottoman Empire. Such a list is better described in the article text. Instead, only the official successor state would be given (Turkey)". I came here looking for information because I'm precisely trying to do that ! (There's no reason given for this, actually : the Ottoman empire had a lot of successor states, but then so did Austria-Hungary, which is given here as an example of the opposite). I've put most of the successor states, but I can't make the last three appear. Is is technically possible ? Jean-Jacques Georges ( talk) 13:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
How to add interwikis on the template page itself, not documentation? -- Renessaince ( talk) 06:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)