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From Jamie Silverstein.
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= Jamie Silverstein |image= |caption= |country= {{USA}} |residence= [[Bloomfield Hills, Michigan|Bloomfield]], [[Michigan]] |height= 160 cm |weight= |partner= '''[[Ryan O'Meara]]''' |coach= [[Igor Shpilband]],<br>[[Marina Zueva]] |skating club= Arctic FSC |retired= |combined total= |combined date= |SP score= |SP date= |FS score= |FS date= |dance score= 155.51 |dance date= 2005 Sk Amer |CD score= 29.98 |CD date= 2006 Four CC |OD score= 48.28 |OD date= 2005 Sk Amer |FD score= 78.79 |FD date= 2005 Sk Amer }}
From Beatrisa Liang (note how unused fields can be left out for easier editing):
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= Bebe Liang |image= |caption= |country= {{USA}} |residence= [[Granada Hills, Los Angeles, California|Granada Hills]], [[California]] |height= 149 cm |weight= |coach= [[Ken Congemi]], [[Frank Carroll]] |skating club= All Year FSC |retired= |combined total= 159.91 |combined date= 2006 Four CC |SP score= 61.04 |SP date= 2006 Four CC |FS score= 98.87 |FS date= 2006 Four CC }}
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= |image= |caption= |country= |residence= |height= |weight= |partner= |coach= |skating club= |retired= |combined total= |combined date= |SP score= |SP date= |FS score= |FS date= |dance score= |dance date= |CD score= |CD date= |OD score= |OD date= |FD score= |FD date= }}
country= {{GEO}}
partner='''[[Jayne Torvill]]'''
The thumbnail looks really bad inside of the infobox. There should be a way to have the image without the the thumbnail. The caption can be place under the image. The problem is I don't know how to make the size variable. If anyone knows how could they please help me? rydia 05:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I've notice abuse and controversy over this field. Not to mention it's hardly used anyway. Any suggestions as to deleting this or possible actions? -- Pelladon 17:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Field change. Feel the Retired field was more useful and general. -- Pelladon 21:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The picture size either needs to be made smaller or be made into an editable option. The restriction to 200px makes some of the low-res promo pictures very pixelated. See Sarah Hughes. Sue Anne 20:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I had a look at a few other Infobox's and what some of them (e.g. Infobox_Tennis_player) do, is require the wiki link for the image in the data for the template, rather than just the name of the image.
E.g. the usage of the template would look like this:
{{Infobox Tennis player |image= [[Image:Andre Agassi Indian Wells 2006.jpg|300px|Andre Agassi at the 2006 Indian Wells Masters]]
rather than
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= Sarah Hughes |image=Hughes_sarah.jpg
This will allow more flexibility on each page - which I think is a good thing. This change would require changing every page that uses this infobox, but it's only about 50 pages - which I would be willing to do myself. -- Gary van der Merwe 18:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I tested this out using Sandbox - and it works well. Any objections to me making this change? -- Gary van der Merwe 19:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
What we really need is this: [1] -- Gary van der Merwe 08:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I added a line to stick in choreographer information. Kolindigo 22:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that most of the skaters who competed during the old judging system don't have infoboxes. We should update the infobox to allow for results for those skaters as well.
Skeetidot 06:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I added "former" fields for coach, choreographer, and partner. I think the former coach and choreographer would be useful for retired skaters to make it clear that they are not currently being coached by those people, but they were coached by them, as well as being useful for notable former coaches and choreographers in general. Former partner for notable past partnerships for ice dancers and pairs skaters. Kolindigo 05:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I was trying to update the infobox at Christopher Bowman when I realized that this template doesn't have any death parameters such as death_date or death_place, etc. I'll be having to switch that article's infobox to {{ infobox person}}. You might want to consider updating this template to include such parameters. Cheers! 75.193.153.60 ( talk) 20:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Pelladon above. This field is prone to abuse and misuse. Furthermore, there is no official weighing in for figure skaters like there are for other sports, and there is no weight on the ISU biographies. This field would be very hard to find sources for and I don't think it's necessary. I vote to remove it. Kolindigo ( talk) 19:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Instead of having 2 separate infoboxes, I suggest we incorporate the {{
MedalSport}}
series into the infobox, like {{
Infobox Gymnast}}
. I also like the idea of having a "start date", for when they started their junior (seems appropriate) career and/or when they started skating. As well as "level", "discipline" (I don't really like that word, but it's how it's phrased in
Figure skating), and perhaps something to incorporate aspects of their pro careers, like
Stars on Ice. All of these will be optional, of course, and I have no problem doing it. Any objections? —
Skittleys (
talk) 13:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I added a "began skating" field since the year is usually listed in skaters' ISU bios. Also added fields for World ranking plus rankings of personal best scores (since a World ranking on its own doesn't necessarily say much, ie. sometimes a good ranking only means that a skater has attended a lot of events. See Stacey Kemp/ David King: Pretty good world ranking but personal best rankings reveal a different picture). Aftesk ( talk) 03:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Should there be a |website=
parameter? Many professional athletes, including figure skaters, have websites. I'm immediately thinking of
kristiyamaguchi
I was going to try this myself, until I saw in included things like hCards, etc. Could someone who does know discuss her or his own opinion, and if in agreement, adjust the following?
As a fan who knows nothing technical of the sport (although I saw the practice rounds of the 1992 ISU Finals in Oakland and regular rounds of the 1995 Nationals in Providence), I first talked personally, though only briefly, to Michelle Kwan when she was campaigning for her husband Clay Pell, in Providence. So I added that city (on very strong, but by no means conclusive, evidence, although I’m almost certain she does live in Rhode Island since I saw her coach and skate at a Christmas Tree lighting last year in Providence) to her infobox and tried to add her husband until I found that husband or spouse was (apparently) not a field in the Infobox (living or deceased).
While I know that gymnasts and figure skaters start very young [see Joan Ryan's Little Girls in Pretty Boxes: The Making and Breaking of Elite Gymnasts and Figure Skaters (1995)], I also know that living ones, especially semi-retired figure skaters (Ms Kwan now teaches, as does the happily-married Nancy Kerrigan in her native Massachusetts) do marry. In the case of pairs and dancers, often — at least during their careers — to each other, e.g. Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov; but also often to people entirely outside figure skating.
From a typically winding hours-long Wikipedia and check-sources path — leading back in the end to learning that Joan Ryan's book, although not the author, already has a Wikipedia article — I learn that the same seems to be true of Infoboxes for other athletes and sportswriters. A totally different sportswriter named Joan Ryan [1941-2010] led to her husband, football great Frank Ryan, whose article I edited to reflect Joan's death and also (no dummy he, concussions or no) some of his academic and corporate links, after even more research into business, Silicon Valley and even health insurance.
Anyway, would someone who already knows the technology and agrees with me add a spouse line to the infoboxes that don't already (like politicians) have one? I could take a tutorial on Wikipedia, I suppose, but it would take so long, with so uncertain a result, as not to be worthwhile to anyone else.
Thanks,
—— Shakescene ( talk) 11:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
There is a lot of confusion regarding the Personal Best fields in the infobox. The ISU changed the scoring system and all PBs and World Records scored prior to 2018-19 season are now considered as historical. The ISU biographies and statistics for skaters only include PBs scored under the new system, which for some skaters are deceptively low. (There haven't been many competitions in this system yet, and the current system generally ends up scoring a bit lower than the previous one).
This creates several problems:
There are two options: either changing the template to include fields for historical personal bests/records (which I think would be preferred for skaters competing in both eras), or consistently including only current PBs in the infobox, which is what I've been trying to do, but it leads to discussions like this one and to back-and-forth edits. 3a4t ( talk) 10:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Not to sound overly mathematical, but Wikipedia often deals with issues of converting monetary amounts and similar data from "old numbers" to 'new numbers'; for example, something cost $10 in 1801 but now costs $287 in converted numbers. Has anyone thought of somehow converting the old scores into the new scores equivalent, and just use a scale factor to move from '3' to '5' as its equivalent (scale factor would be 5 divided by 3 as a multiplier factor). Has anyone seen anything like this? ErnestKrause ( talk) 15:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
This message is to notify you that there is an RfC ongoing on whether to add pronunciation info to {{ Infobox person}}, a discussion which may also affect this template. Your comments on the matter are appreciated. The discussion can be found here. Thanks! 0x0077BE ( talk · contrib) 17:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
I did not do anything to the template. However the date "Retired" seems to be inaccurate. When a skater finishes competing as an aktive sportsmen in ISU competitions is not actually the same date as retiring from work. Many skaters also continue to work in the sport as a coach, a judge or even compete in adult championships. Any suggestions how to rephrase "Retired" to be more specific? Uwe Langer ( talk) 20:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
|Retired=1998 |Competitive career= |Professional career= |
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|Retired= |Competitive career=2004–2022 |Professional career=2022–present |
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This
edit request to
Template:Infobox figure skater has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I'd like to request an addition of the two attributes |Competitive career=
and |Professional career=
. Currently, the template only contains the option |Retired=
, which is not suitable (even misleading) for skaters who concluded their competitive career but are still active as professional skaters. The full discussion of the issue can be read
here.
Henni147 (
talk) 16:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
|competitive= professional= retired=
. Also added to whitelist
[2]. I have seen no failings.
DePiep (
talk) 13:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
|years_competitive= years_professional= retired=
.@ MSGJ: As suggested above, I added two examples for the use of the {{ Figure skating WS and SB}} template that I developed for skaters' infoboxes (see the template documentation). Those two examples should cover most cases that can occur. I also adjusted the template itself a bit, making it more accessible for screen readers and the markup code easier to use in practice. This new template makes the listing of world standings and season's bests more compact and shorter, especially for skaters with long career like Javier Fernández. His current WS and SB list is pretty long and cannot be collapsed in mobile view. Henni147 ( talk) 19:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Figure Skating NA‑class | |||||||
|
From Jamie Silverstein.
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= Jamie Silverstein |image= |caption= |country= {{USA}} |residence= [[Bloomfield Hills, Michigan|Bloomfield]], [[Michigan]] |height= 160 cm |weight= |partner= '''[[Ryan O'Meara]]''' |coach= [[Igor Shpilband]],<br>[[Marina Zueva]] |skating club= Arctic FSC |retired= |combined total= |combined date= |SP score= |SP date= |FS score= |FS date= |dance score= 155.51 |dance date= 2005 Sk Amer |CD score= 29.98 |CD date= 2006 Four CC |OD score= 48.28 |OD date= 2005 Sk Amer |FD score= 78.79 |FD date= 2005 Sk Amer }}
From Beatrisa Liang (note how unused fields can be left out for easier editing):
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= Bebe Liang |image= |caption= |country= {{USA}} |residence= [[Granada Hills, Los Angeles, California|Granada Hills]], [[California]] |height= 149 cm |weight= |coach= [[Ken Congemi]], [[Frank Carroll]] |skating club= All Year FSC |retired= |combined total= 159.91 |combined date= 2006 Four CC |SP score= 61.04 |SP date= 2006 Four CC |FS score= 98.87 |FS date= 2006 Four CC }}
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= |image= |caption= |country= |residence= |height= |weight= |partner= |coach= |skating club= |retired= |combined total= |combined date= |SP score= |SP date= |FS score= |FS date= |dance score= |dance date= |CD score= |CD date= |OD score= |OD date= |FD score= |FD date= }}
country= {{GEO}}
partner='''[[Jayne Torvill]]'''
The thumbnail looks really bad inside of the infobox. There should be a way to have the image without the the thumbnail. The caption can be place under the image. The problem is I don't know how to make the size variable. If anyone knows how could they please help me? rydia 05:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I've notice abuse and controversy over this field. Not to mention it's hardly used anyway. Any suggestions as to deleting this or possible actions? -- Pelladon 17:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Field change. Feel the Retired field was more useful and general. -- Pelladon 21:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The picture size either needs to be made smaller or be made into an editable option. The restriction to 200px makes some of the low-res promo pictures very pixelated. See Sarah Hughes. Sue Anne 20:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I had a look at a few other Infobox's and what some of them (e.g. Infobox_Tennis_player) do, is require the wiki link for the image in the data for the template, rather than just the name of the image.
E.g. the usage of the template would look like this:
{{Infobox Tennis player |image= [[Image:Andre Agassi Indian Wells 2006.jpg|300px|Andre Agassi at the 2006 Indian Wells Masters]]
rather than
{{Infobox Figure skater |title= Sarah Hughes |image=Hughes_sarah.jpg
This will allow more flexibility on each page - which I think is a good thing. This change would require changing every page that uses this infobox, but it's only about 50 pages - which I would be willing to do myself. -- Gary van der Merwe 18:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I tested this out using Sandbox - and it works well. Any objections to me making this change? -- Gary van der Merwe 19:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
What we really need is this: [1] -- Gary van der Merwe 08:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I added a line to stick in choreographer information. Kolindigo 22:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that most of the skaters who competed during the old judging system don't have infoboxes. We should update the infobox to allow for results for those skaters as well.
Skeetidot 06:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I added "former" fields for coach, choreographer, and partner. I think the former coach and choreographer would be useful for retired skaters to make it clear that they are not currently being coached by those people, but they were coached by them, as well as being useful for notable former coaches and choreographers in general. Former partner for notable past partnerships for ice dancers and pairs skaters. Kolindigo 05:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I was trying to update the infobox at Christopher Bowman when I realized that this template doesn't have any death parameters such as death_date or death_place, etc. I'll be having to switch that article's infobox to {{ infobox person}}. You might want to consider updating this template to include such parameters. Cheers! 75.193.153.60 ( talk) 20:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Pelladon above. This field is prone to abuse and misuse. Furthermore, there is no official weighing in for figure skaters like there are for other sports, and there is no weight on the ISU biographies. This field would be very hard to find sources for and I don't think it's necessary. I vote to remove it. Kolindigo ( talk) 19:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Instead of having 2 separate infoboxes, I suggest we incorporate the {{
MedalSport}}
series into the infobox, like {{
Infobox Gymnast}}
. I also like the idea of having a "start date", for when they started their junior (seems appropriate) career and/or when they started skating. As well as "level", "discipline" (I don't really like that word, but it's how it's phrased in
Figure skating), and perhaps something to incorporate aspects of their pro careers, like
Stars on Ice. All of these will be optional, of course, and I have no problem doing it. Any objections? —
Skittleys (
talk) 13:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I added a "began skating" field since the year is usually listed in skaters' ISU bios. Also added fields for World ranking plus rankings of personal best scores (since a World ranking on its own doesn't necessarily say much, ie. sometimes a good ranking only means that a skater has attended a lot of events. See Stacey Kemp/ David King: Pretty good world ranking but personal best rankings reveal a different picture). Aftesk ( talk) 03:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Should there be a |website=
parameter? Many professional athletes, including figure skaters, have websites. I'm immediately thinking of
kristiyamaguchi
I was going to try this myself, until I saw in included things like hCards, etc. Could someone who does know discuss her or his own opinion, and if in agreement, adjust the following?
As a fan who knows nothing technical of the sport (although I saw the practice rounds of the 1992 ISU Finals in Oakland and regular rounds of the 1995 Nationals in Providence), I first talked personally, though only briefly, to Michelle Kwan when she was campaigning for her husband Clay Pell, in Providence. So I added that city (on very strong, but by no means conclusive, evidence, although I’m almost certain she does live in Rhode Island since I saw her coach and skate at a Christmas Tree lighting last year in Providence) to her infobox and tried to add her husband until I found that husband or spouse was (apparently) not a field in the Infobox (living or deceased).
While I know that gymnasts and figure skaters start very young [see Joan Ryan's Little Girls in Pretty Boxes: The Making and Breaking of Elite Gymnasts and Figure Skaters (1995)], I also know that living ones, especially semi-retired figure skaters (Ms Kwan now teaches, as does the happily-married Nancy Kerrigan in her native Massachusetts) do marry. In the case of pairs and dancers, often — at least during their careers — to each other, e.g. Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov; but also often to people entirely outside figure skating.
From a typically winding hours-long Wikipedia and check-sources path — leading back in the end to learning that Joan Ryan's book, although not the author, already has a Wikipedia article — I learn that the same seems to be true of Infoboxes for other athletes and sportswriters. A totally different sportswriter named Joan Ryan [1941-2010] led to her husband, football great Frank Ryan, whose article I edited to reflect Joan's death and also (no dummy he, concussions or no) some of his academic and corporate links, after even more research into business, Silicon Valley and even health insurance.
Anyway, would someone who already knows the technology and agrees with me add a spouse line to the infoboxes that don't already (like politicians) have one? I could take a tutorial on Wikipedia, I suppose, but it would take so long, with so uncertain a result, as not to be worthwhile to anyone else.
Thanks,
—— Shakescene ( talk) 11:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
There is a lot of confusion regarding the Personal Best fields in the infobox. The ISU changed the scoring system and all PBs and World Records scored prior to 2018-19 season are now considered as historical. The ISU biographies and statistics for skaters only include PBs scored under the new system, which for some skaters are deceptively low. (There haven't been many competitions in this system yet, and the current system generally ends up scoring a bit lower than the previous one).
This creates several problems:
There are two options: either changing the template to include fields for historical personal bests/records (which I think would be preferred for skaters competing in both eras), or consistently including only current PBs in the infobox, which is what I've been trying to do, but it leads to discussions like this one and to back-and-forth edits. 3a4t ( talk) 10:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Not to sound overly mathematical, but Wikipedia often deals with issues of converting monetary amounts and similar data from "old numbers" to 'new numbers'; for example, something cost $10 in 1801 but now costs $287 in converted numbers. Has anyone thought of somehow converting the old scores into the new scores equivalent, and just use a scale factor to move from '3' to '5' as its equivalent (scale factor would be 5 divided by 3 as a multiplier factor). Has anyone seen anything like this? ErnestKrause ( talk) 15:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
This message is to notify you that there is an RfC ongoing on whether to add pronunciation info to {{ Infobox person}}, a discussion which may also affect this template. Your comments on the matter are appreciated. The discussion can be found here. Thanks! 0x0077BE ( talk · contrib) 17:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
I did not do anything to the template. However the date "Retired" seems to be inaccurate. When a skater finishes competing as an aktive sportsmen in ISU competitions is not actually the same date as retiring from work. Many skaters also continue to work in the sport as a coach, a judge or even compete in adult championships. Any suggestions how to rephrase "Retired" to be more specific? Uwe Langer ( talk) 20:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
|Retired=1998 |Competitive career= |Professional career= |
| |||||
|Retired= |Competitive career=2004–2022 |Professional career=2022–present |
|
This
edit request to
Template:Infobox figure skater has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I'd like to request an addition of the two attributes |Competitive career=
and |Professional career=
. Currently, the template only contains the option |Retired=
, which is not suitable (even misleading) for skaters who concluded their competitive career but are still active as professional skaters. The full discussion of the issue can be read
here.
Henni147 (
talk) 16:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
|competitive= professional= retired=
. Also added to whitelist
[2]. I have seen no failings.
DePiep (
talk) 13:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
|years_competitive= years_professional= retired=
.@ MSGJ: As suggested above, I added two examples for the use of the {{ Figure skating WS and SB}} template that I developed for skaters' infoboxes (see the template documentation). Those two examples should cover most cases that can occur. I also adjusted the template itself a bit, making it more accessible for screen readers and the markup code easier to use in practice. This new template makes the listing of world standings and season's bests more compact and shorter, especially for skaters with long career like Javier Fernández. His current WS and SB list is pretty long and cannot be collapsed in mobile view. Henni147 ( talk) 19:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)