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This template has been listed as a candidate for deletion. See the discussion at: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:NCAAFootballSingleGameHeader Group29 ( talk) 02:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Given the apparent consensus of the TfD, when would be an appropriate time to implement the new design?↔ NMajdan• talk 14:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
NMajdan, If you put your code in place, wouldn't the reason for deletion be gone and wouldn't that close the TfD discussion? Here is the way I look at it: You put your code in and either the template gets deleted or not. If not deleted, all college football games automatically get the new template design. If deleted, all the college football games would need to be bot-replaced by whatever the name is of the new template. Group29 ( talk) 18:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow, it's huge. It looks pretty good, but it's very large. Can you set a max width of like 700px and see how it looks then? I'm just going by the old web design adage of expecting an 800x600 viewing area...though I'm pretty sure that's way out of date, it's still a good starting point. Fonts could probably use being reduced as well. The GT/FIU one especially suffers, probably because the name and nickname are so long, so they take up most of the space. Maybe try setting the widths of the different areas, either dynamically with percentages or strictly (not as good an idea). z4ns4tsu\ talk 21:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Again, great work. Johntex\ talk 02:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments! -- MECU≈ talk 13:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Mecu, I added this excellent template to 2006 Rose Bowl and all went well except for the BCS ranking. If I include it, I get some wiki-markup showing in the article. [1] Do you know how we can fix this? Johntex\ talk 20:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
If you look at Fifth Down, you can see for the stadium= field I put " Faurot Field in Columbia, Missouri" which I think looks a little nicer then as it also gives the location of the game in the USA as well as the field. I didn't intend it that way, but it works quite well it seems. -- MECU≈ talk 21:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
This template takes up the entire width of the page, at least for me. The style doesn't seem proper for an encyclopedia at all, it's more like a sports web page. Can't we fit all this information into an Infobox-size column at the side? Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 03:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I aded a hidden note into the template saying "Team records and rankings are to be PRIOR to the game, NOT after the game." I hope I inserted it correctly so that it will appear when the template is used. I am not the template expert here, so others may want to check me. Johntex\ talk 21:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There is some discussion here about whether the "box score" template for individual games should reflect the record of the teams coming into the game, or as a result of playing the game. Please join in the discussion if you would like. Johntex\ talk 21:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Johntex and I have been having an interesting debate over the usage of the {{NCAAFootballSingleGameHeader}} over on the FAC page for 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl (Shameless plug: stop by and leave comments if you get a chance). The debate centers around whether or not the template should uniformly head every single-game article or not.
My position is that for longer articles (like 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl), all the information in the template is already given in the infobox and in the lede paragraphs, so there's no need to put the template at the top of longer articles. Putting it at the top forces all the other information down the page and really overshadows the infobox and the lead paragraphs. I'm not saying that the template shouldn't be included at all — in my 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl article, I put it in the statistics section. It's a valuable way to express a lot of information in a short space, and looks pretty nice. I'm not even saying that it shouldn't head up a page — on shorter single-game articles, especially those without infoboxes, it's a great replacement for an infobox. But on longer articles, its size overwhelms the lead paragraphs of text and the lead infobox. My suggestion is that for longer articles, it should be placed at the end of the game recap section or in a separate game statistics section where it won't clutter up the top of the article and overwhelm the text.
Johntex's position (and please correct me, John) is that the template should be at the top of all single-game articles in order to achieve a common style for single-game college football articles. He feels that the template isn't distracting and doesn't overwhelm the rest of the text, even in longer articles. For an example, he suggests 2006 Alamo Bowl. John, please let me know if this is correct.
Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated. JKBrooks85 00:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It looks like a stale discussion at this point, but I didn't see a consensus reached here and this template's documentation does not describe how to use the field. Myself, it doesn't make any sense to see a team lose a game, but to see their record not reflect a loss, such as here. The ranking is the ranking for the week and does not change at the conclusion of the game. However, at the conclusion of the game, the record does change. This is also how any box score in a newspaper would report the information (see ESPN). I don't think Wikipedia should have a different standard. Any thoughts? X96lee15 ( talk) 05:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I see where X96lee15 is coming from. However, original templates have even stated to have the original record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcspro ( talk • contribs) 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we change the way the coach names are displayed so that they're displayed below the "Coach Name:" qualifier rather than next to them? Many longer coach names are running into the "Coach Name:" qualifier of the other team. I've been putting a break in front of the coaches' names in order to prevent this from happening, but it'd be nice if the code automatically did this so the editor wouldn't have to do it manually. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we tweak the template to add an image sizing parameter? Look at 2008 Las Vegas Bowl. The logo is WAY too big, and I have tried using standard sizing methods , by changing the image parameter to [[Image:LVBowl Logo.jpg|150px]] and [[Image:LVBowl Logo.jpg|thumb|150px]], but neither fixed the problem. It appears the template ignores image formatting and just puts the full-sized image in regardless. Could someone look into this, and either propose a fix to the Las Vegas Bowl article OR tweak the template so this works right? Thanks! -- Jayron32. talk. contribs 18:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
See the WT:CFB discussion before modifying or discussing here. Thanks much, Group29 ( talk) 02:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
If you go back far enough, football games were two halves, not four quarters. I've gotten around this by installing HTML-based code in the articles (amateur, I know) to resemble this template but with just three columns for scores (1-2-Total). I'm no template-writing guru, but is there a way to toggle the 3rd and 4th quarter fields to hide for these cases - if not, can this ability be added? Fjbfour ( talk) 10:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I monitor Good and Featured Articles without short descriptions, with a view to adding SDs. Normally there aren't any, but 46 college football games have just appeared. Old versions no longer appear to have an SD either, so I don't think it's due to edits to the articles. Could this result from recent template changes? Certes ( talk) 22:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
{{Short description|College football game|2=noreplace}}
but I'm happy to adjust it if desired.
Primefac (
talk)
20:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Current key is mvp
and it prints "MVP" in the infobox.
However various bowl games give different awards. The Rose Bowl is the " Player of the Game" and the Sugar Bowl is " Most Outstanding Player", abbreviated as "MOP" on the broadcast.
Should the infobox print the correct title of the game's MVP award?
PK-WIKI ( talk) 22:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
|MVP_label=
parameter.
Primefac (
talk)
12:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Infobox college football game template. |
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![]() | This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||
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![]() | This template was considered for deletion on 2007 November 23. The result of the discussion was "redesign, subsequently keep". |
This template has been listed as a candidate for deletion. See the discussion at: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:NCAAFootballSingleGameHeader Group29 ( talk) 02:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Given the apparent consensus of the TfD, when would be an appropriate time to implement the new design?↔ NMajdan• talk 14:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
NMajdan, If you put your code in place, wouldn't the reason for deletion be gone and wouldn't that close the TfD discussion? Here is the way I look at it: You put your code in and either the template gets deleted or not. If not deleted, all college football games automatically get the new template design. If deleted, all the college football games would need to be bot-replaced by whatever the name is of the new template. Group29 ( talk) 18:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow, it's huge. It looks pretty good, but it's very large. Can you set a max width of like 700px and see how it looks then? I'm just going by the old web design adage of expecting an 800x600 viewing area...though I'm pretty sure that's way out of date, it's still a good starting point. Fonts could probably use being reduced as well. The GT/FIU one especially suffers, probably because the name and nickname are so long, so they take up most of the space. Maybe try setting the widths of the different areas, either dynamically with percentages or strictly (not as good an idea). z4ns4tsu\ talk 21:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Again, great work. Johntex\ talk 02:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments! -- MECU≈ talk 13:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Mecu, I added this excellent template to 2006 Rose Bowl and all went well except for the BCS ranking. If I include it, I get some wiki-markup showing in the article. [1] Do you know how we can fix this? Johntex\ talk 20:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
If you look at Fifth Down, you can see for the stadium= field I put " Faurot Field in Columbia, Missouri" which I think looks a little nicer then as it also gives the location of the game in the USA as well as the field. I didn't intend it that way, but it works quite well it seems. -- MECU≈ talk 21:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
This template takes up the entire width of the page, at least for me. The style doesn't seem proper for an encyclopedia at all, it's more like a sports web page. Can't we fit all this information into an Infobox-size column at the side? Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 03:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I aded a hidden note into the template saying "Team records and rankings are to be PRIOR to the game, NOT after the game." I hope I inserted it correctly so that it will appear when the template is used. I am not the template expert here, so others may want to check me. Johntex\ talk 21:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There is some discussion here about whether the "box score" template for individual games should reflect the record of the teams coming into the game, or as a result of playing the game. Please join in the discussion if you would like. Johntex\ talk 21:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Johntex and I have been having an interesting debate over the usage of the {{NCAAFootballSingleGameHeader}} over on the FAC page for 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl (Shameless plug: stop by and leave comments if you get a chance). The debate centers around whether or not the template should uniformly head every single-game article or not.
My position is that for longer articles (like 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl), all the information in the template is already given in the infobox and in the lede paragraphs, so there's no need to put the template at the top of longer articles. Putting it at the top forces all the other information down the page and really overshadows the infobox and the lead paragraphs. I'm not saying that the template shouldn't be included at all — in my 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl article, I put it in the statistics section. It's a valuable way to express a lot of information in a short space, and looks pretty nice. I'm not even saying that it shouldn't head up a page — on shorter single-game articles, especially those without infoboxes, it's a great replacement for an infobox. But on longer articles, its size overwhelms the lead paragraphs of text and the lead infobox. My suggestion is that for longer articles, it should be placed at the end of the game recap section or in a separate game statistics section where it won't clutter up the top of the article and overwhelm the text.
Johntex's position (and please correct me, John) is that the template should be at the top of all single-game articles in order to achieve a common style for single-game college football articles. He feels that the template isn't distracting and doesn't overwhelm the rest of the text, even in longer articles. For an example, he suggests 2006 Alamo Bowl. John, please let me know if this is correct.
Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated. JKBrooks85 00:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It looks like a stale discussion at this point, but I didn't see a consensus reached here and this template's documentation does not describe how to use the field. Myself, it doesn't make any sense to see a team lose a game, but to see their record not reflect a loss, such as here. The ranking is the ranking for the week and does not change at the conclusion of the game. However, at the conclusion of the game, the record does change. This is also how any box score in a newspaper would report the information (see ESPN). I don't think Wikipedia should have a different standard. Any thoughts? X96lee15 ( talk) 05:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I see where X96lee15 is coming from. However, original templates have even stated to have the original record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcspro ( talk • contribs) 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we change the way the coach names are displayed so that they're displayed below the "Coach Name:" qualifier rather than next to them? Many longer coach names are running into the "Coach Name:" qualifier of the other team. I've been putting a break in front of the coaches' names in order to prevent this from happening, but it'd be nice if the code automatically did this so the editor wouldn't have to do it manually. JKBrooks85 ( talk) 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we tweak the template to add an image sizing parameter? Look at 2008 Las Vegas Bowl. The logo is WAY too big, and I have tried using standard sizing methods , by changing the image parameter to [[Image:LVBowl Logo.jpg|150px]] and [[Image:LVBowl Logo.jpg|thumb|150px]], but neither fixed the problem. It appears the template ignores image formatting and just puts the full-sized image in regardless. Could someone look into this, and either propose a fix to the Las Vegas Bowl article OR tweak the template so this works right? Thanks! -- Jayron32. talk. contribs 18:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
See the WT:CFB discussion before modifying or discussing here. Thanks much, Group29 ( talk) 02:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
If you go back far enough, football games were two halves, not four quarters. I've gotten around this by installing HTML-based code in the articles (amateur, I know) to resemble this template but with just three columns for scores (1-2-Total). I'm no template-writing guru, but is there a way to toggle the 3rd and 4th quarter fields to hide for these cases - if not, can this ability be added? Fjbfour ( talk) 10:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I monitor Good and Featured Articles without short descriptions, with a view to adding SDs. Normally there aren't any, but 46 college football games have just appeared. Old versions no longer appear to have an SD either, so I don't think it's due to edits to the articles. Could this result from recent template changes? Certes ( talk) 22:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
{{Short description|College football game|2=noreplace}}
but I'm happy to adjust it if desired.
Primefac (
talk)
20:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Current key is mvp
and it prints "MVP" in the infobox.
However various bowl games give different awards. The Rose Bowl is the " Player of the Game" and the Sugar Bowl is " Most Outstanding Player", abbreviated as "MOP" on the broadcast.
Should the infobox print the correct title of the game's MVP award?
PK-WIKI ( talk) 22:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
|MVP_label=
parameter.
Primefac (
talk)
12:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)