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award21, award21W, award21N, award22, award22W, award22N are in the docs but were never added to the template. Should they be, or are the entries getting too long? Zaathras ( talk) 04:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Most uses of the total parameters (|wins=
and |nominations=
) are meaningless
WP:SYNTH and
WP:OR. The likelihood is that anyone who wins a "Kerrang! Award" [to pick one at random] will also win awards from lesser organisations, publications, or journalists covering similar music. Who decides which awards are notable enough for inclusion in the Wikipedia article? Any cutoff level of notability is arbitrary. To list the most notable nominations and cut off the rest is acceptable, because a line must be drawn somewhere. But if the list happens to be, say, 9 items long, you should not put the number 9 in the infobox: it invests an essentially arbitrary number with a fictitious level of authenticity.
jnestorius(
talk)
11:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
|nocollapse=y
.
jnestorius(
talk)
14:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)|class=mw-collapsed
but keep |class=mw-collapsible
), so that people can still see at a glance how "successful" a given person is?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I updated the template to indicate that the nominations count excludes wins, following the template documentation. However, @
Rhain (
discussion) pointed out that this does not apply to most articles where the template is not used. To rectify this discrepancy between the template documentation and its usage, I suggest adding notes and correcting articles that do not follow this guideline. Also, check the related discussion at
Wikipedia:Teahouse#Awards nominations count.
Anoop Bhatia (
talk)
01:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC) To rectify this, I am re-proposing to remove the clause "not including those won" from the help document because
Anoop Bhatia ( talk) 03:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
References
I'm not sure if this is the result of an intentional change or not, but the show/hide button at the top of the infobox doesn't do anything now – all awards in the list seem to be permanently shown. The show/hide button for the note seems to work fine. The issue persists across browsers and in logged-in and logged-out views. It doesn't look like there were any recent edits to this template that explain it, so maybe it's the result of a different template or module this one is using? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 18:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Infobox awards list template. |
|
Archives:
1Auto-archiving period: 180 days
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![]() | This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||
|
![]() | The contents of the Template:Infobox musician awards page were merged into Template:Infobox awards list on 2 September 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
![]() | The contents of the Template:Infobox actor awards page were merged into Template:Infobox awards list on 14 September 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
award21, award21W, award21N, award22, award22W, award22N are in the docs but were never added to the template. Should they be, or are the entries getting too long? Zaathras ( talk) 04:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Most uses of the total parameters (|wins=
and |nominations=
) are meaningless
WP:SYNTH and
WP:OR. The likelihood is that anyone who wins a "Kerrang! Award" [to pick one at random] will also win awards from lesser organisations, publications, or journalists covering similar music. Who decides which awards are notable enough for inclusion in the Wikipedia article? Any cutoff level of notability is arbitrary. To list the most notable nominations and cut off the rest is acceptable, because a line must be drawn somewhere. But if the list happens to be, say, 9 items long, you should not put the number 9 in the infobox: it invests an essentially arbitrary number with a fictitious level of authenticity.
jnestorius(
talk)
11:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
|nocollapse=y
.
jnestorius(
talk)
14:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)|class=mw-collapsed
but keep |class=mw-collapsible
), so that people can still see at a glance how "successful" a given person is?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
17:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I updated the template to indicate that the nominations count excludes wins, following the template documentation. However, @
Rhain (
discussion) pointed out that this does not apply to most articles where the template is not used. To rectify this discrepancy between the template documentation and its usage, I suggest adding notes and correcting articles that do not follow this guideline. Also, check the related discussion at
Wikipedia:Teahouse#Awards nominations count.
Anoop Bhatia (
talk)
01:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC) To rectify this, I am re-proposing to remove the clause "not including those won" from the help document because
Anoop Bhatia ( talk) 03:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
References
I'm not sure if this is the result of an intentional change or not, but the show/hide button at the top of the infobox doesn't do anything now – all awards in the list seem to be permanently shown. The show/hide button for the note seems to work fine. The issue persists across browsers and in logged-in and logged-out views. It doesn't look like there were any recent edits to this template that explain it, so maybe it's the result of a different template or module this one is using? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 18:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)