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At the moment we are merging {{
Infobox UK school}} into {{
Infobox school}} (see
#talk above). In this process, we meet some other possible improvements (like: deprecate a parameter). Because such a change is not part of the merge process, and because making unrelated changes needlessly complicates the process, these are postponed. They can be discussed and executed later. -
DePiep (
talk) 10:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
The Merge and Other subsections of Infobox cleanup have been moved to a new Infobox cleanup continued section in order to simplify this section, for further discussion to take place and to allow for the remaining subsections to be expedited first.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 22:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I mentioned about consolidating the proliferation of aliases/synonyms that are currently present which are unnecessary, will help maintain consistency and reduce the clutter in the code. Here is the list and there are also some propositions/info on a proposed deletion for one (or more) of the parameters entirely: "delete" means to remove from template code - the difference being the "entirely" one(s) should discussion agree meaning deletion from articles too. The parameters at the end are the main parameters that are currently present and used. This task would be better handled by a bot and
Primefac would be my ideal candidate who has an excellent bot for this task and per the previous bot runs we did for Infobox school (some of these were done, but the difference with this one is that it will require going through the entire 30-35,000+ transclusions, should Primefac be up to it) or whoever would be up for doing this with a bot
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 00:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
|streetaddress=
and |street=
to |address=
and delete|schoolboard=
to |school_board=
and delete|educational authority=
to |educational_authority=
and delete|religion=
to |religious_affiliation=
and delete|schoolnumber=
and |number=
to |school_number=
and delete|school code=
to |school_code=
and delete|campus director=
to |campus_director=
and delete|head of school=
to |head_of_school=
and delete|number_of_staff=
and |number of staff=
to |staff=
and delete|num_employ=
to |employees=
and delete|age range=
to |age_range=
and delete|avg_class_size=
and |class=
to |average_class_size=
and delete|classes offered=
to |classes_offered=
and delete|schedtyp=
to |schedule_type=
and delete|campus size=
to |campus_size=
and delete|campus type=
to |campus_type=
and delete|fightsong=
to |fight_song=
and delete|athletics conference=
, |athletic_conference=
, |athletic conference=
and |conference=
to |athletics_conference=
and delete|team name=
and |teamname=
to |team_name=
and delete|testname=
to |test_name=
and delete|testaverage=
to |test_average=
and delete|bar pass rate=
to |bar_pass_rate=
and delete|school_roll=
to |roll=
and delete|annual tuition=
to |annual_tuition=
and delete|ranking=
to |USNWR_ranking=
and delete|free=
to |free_text=
and delete|free_1, free_label_1=
(For set 1–5): deprecate & softly remove one spelling set.|free_text1=
etc (?, weird long name), that is. Large usage number in both spellings (says TDmer).|free_label1=
and |free_text1=
, looks a bit more clearer with text and |free_1=
looks weird to me haha. What you think?|free_1=
to |free_text1=
and delete|free_2=
to |free_text2=
and delete|free_3=
to |free_text3=
and delete|free_4=
to |free_text4=
and delete|free_5=
to |free_text5=
and delete|free_label_1=
to |free_label1=
and delete|free_label_2=
to |free_label2=
and delete|free_label_3=
to |free_label3=
and delete|free_label_4=
to |free_label4=
and delete|free_label_5=
to |free_label5=
and delete|LEA=
and convert to |local_authority=
. |LEA=
should be deleted completely after renaming it to |local_authority=
. After checking the monthly error report, there are 81 uses. Note to those unaware: |LEA=
was already available in the Infobox school template before the Infobox UK school merger took place. This parameter in the UK one was already renamed during the bot run that took place after the merger discussion was complete. The remainder are UK articles that were not using Infobox UK school at the time or were manually converted to Infobox school but the parameter was not updated.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 20:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)If there's anything I've missed, feel free to add (please maintain styling) and I'll check again too. Thank you Steven (Editor) ( talk) 00:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Previous "Time to consolidate and simplify" section discussion: N/A. Resolved, whole section revamped
|
---|
|
|r_head=
should be merged with |rel_head=
. They both mean "current religious leader / head person".|r_head=
because it's used in both infoboxes (also the only one in the UK infobox), used slightly more in Infobox school per the monthly error report and I think this looks better and simpler than |rel_head=
. What you think?|box_style=
? |box_style=
should be deleted completely, I don't think we need CSS styling for the infobox but after checking the monthly error report, the parameter is not being used at all. |box_width=
currently has 22 uses but I don't think there is any need to manually adjust the width of the infobox, the default width is perfect and also because of low-use. But if you have a look at some of the articles that are using this parameter, it looks terrible. What you think?
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 03:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)|years_taught=
is not used. Will |years_taught=
not suffice? Are we being too detailed here? Low usage too per the monthly error report: 3, 2 and 22 respectively. I think these should be deleted and if you agree, I think the best way of handling this would be to go through the articles using these and manually move the information (if filled in right) to |years_taught=
, which I'm happy to do. It can then be deleted from the code and blank instances removed via bot|medium= mediums= medium_of_language= medium of language==
: four synonyms, and no warning for double-use. -
DePiep (
talk) 10:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)|language=
, which is documented as having the same function as |medium=
. These two parameters should probably be merged into one. Also, "medium of language" does not make sense to me; is it standard in British English? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 19:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
|medium=
, |mediums=
and |medium of language=
should be renamed to |medium_of_language=
and deleted. A small discussion was bought up on the naming of this parameter with it being called "Medium of language"; see
here. Note that Wikipedia has a dedicated article titled "
Medium of instruction". Perhaps we opt for changing the display title to simply "Medium" or "Medium of instruction" (possibly linked to its dedicated article) and change all the respective parameters to |medium=
or a new parameter, |medium_of_instruction=
? The |language=
parameter should be merged with it and deleted. |colo(u)rs=
should be merged with |school_colo(u)rs=
. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 20:59, 5 November 2018 (UTC)|colors, colors, colours=
and |school_colors, schoolcolors, school_colors, school_colours, schoolcolours=
(check me)
|color=
etc for singular (exceptional, right?). labeltext should be plural by default. Deprecate all "school"-prefixes: this is infobox school alteasy, duh.|color, colour=
(sing) and |colors, colours=
(plu, default) -
DePiep (
talk) 23:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
|colors/colours=
which has high use and no need for singular ones because these are already displayed in the infobox as "Color(s)" / "Colour(s)", which should suffice right?
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 04:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
|enrollment=
should be merged with |school_roll=
and |students=
. They all mean "number of students enrolled in the school". The term "school roll" appears to be used most often
in New Zealand –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)|roll=
should be merged with the |enrolment=
/|enrollment=
/|students=
/|pupils=
variation parameters (as suggested above by
Jonesey95 but using |roll=
(already an alias/synonym and displayed as "School roll" in the infobox) instead of |school_roll=
as this will fit in liaison with the naming convention of the enrolment variation parameters. An equivalent |roll_as_of=
should also be added (the majority of the schools using this parameter have the year, but with the use of brackets added manually which does not follow with current formatting of the other enrolment parameters)
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 00:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
|homepage=
, |url=
, and |website=
into a single parameter with two aliases. I think this is ready to happen, based on the zero pages in
Category:Pages using infobox school with multiple external links. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 15:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)|homepage=
and |url=
is renamed to |website=
and then deleted? There could be a problem for this however as some articles have either two or three of these, but homepage and url should be deprecated in favour of website. There is an issue, if two or three of these are used, the template does not produce a warning with "Using more than one of the following parameters and only one is displayed. So merging the parameters would solve this.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 20:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
|Refactored=
is not a common word so the caption may also need to be overwritten |Refactored_label=
- on that I have no strong views.
ClemRutter (
talk) 09:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)|pupil_name=
: "Etonian" for
Eton College. -
DePiep (
talk) 10:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
|demonym=
, as is used in {{
infobox settlement}}. See
demonym. (I could be wrong, though; demonym may only apply to residents or natives of a given place, not alumni of a school. More research may be needed.) –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 14:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)|dfeno=
if it is still around after the merge. See discussion above that resulted in no consensus to delete or keep it. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 07:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)|trust=
and |executive_headteacher=
. A possible UID parameter to identify the trust was mentioned but to be discussed.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 04:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)|specialist=
is for and possibly give it a less engvar-specific label and description. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 05:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)|display=title
, the word "Coordinates" displays in the template with no coordinates after it. See
Conestoga High School for a current example. We fixed this problem on multiple templates during the
Wikipedia:Coordinates in infoboxes project; I don't remember how, but the answer is probably on the project's talk page. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 13:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)|publications=
in addition to |publication=
, to parallel |founders=
and similar parameters? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 08:33, 10 November 2018 (UTC)I occasionally run
AWB to clean up bits and bobs in school infoboxes. I often come across the r_head
field being used incorrectly (i.e. for vice/deputy positions), certainly more so than for its correct use. This suggests that editors don't know what the field is for, and r_head
as a label isn't self-explanatory. Is there a reason we abbreviate "religious" here, but don't for the religious_affiliation
field? Would religious_head
avoid ambiguity and misuse of the field?
MIDI (
talk) 15:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Please fix the typos. 24.115.255.37 ( talk) 18:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
|enrolment=
is used, the label will be "Enrolment". If |enrollment=
is used, the label will be "Enrollment". If you see a case where the template is not working as intended, please link to an example page. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 19:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Infobox school is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. Functionality of the template can be checked using test cases. |
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Infobox school template. |
|
Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7Auto-archiving period: 20 days |
Infoboxes | ||||
|
Schools Template‑class | |||||||
|
Merged templates
|
This page has archives. Sections older than 20 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 2 sections are present. |
This section is pinned and will not be automatically archived. |
At the moment we are merging {{
Infobox UK school}} into {{
Infobox school}} (see
#talk above). In this process, we meet some other possible improvements (like: deprecate a parameter). Because such a change is not part of the merge process, and because making unrelated changes needlessly complicates the process, these are postponed. They can be discussed and executed later. -
DePiep (
talk) 10:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
The Merge and Other subsections of Infobox cleanup have been moved to a new Infobox cleanup continued section in order to simplify this section, for further discussion to take place and to allow for the remaining subsections to be expedited first.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 22:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I mentioned about consolidating the proliferation of aliases/synonyms that are currently present which are unnecessary, will help maintain consistency and reduce the clutter in the code. Here is the list and there are also some propositions/info on a proposed deletion for one (or more) of the parameters entirely: "delete" means to remove from template code - the difference being the "entirely" one(s) should discussion agree meaning deletion from articles too. The parameters at the end are the main parameters that are currently present and used. This task would be better handled by a bot and
Primefac would be my ideal candidate who has an excellent bot for this task and per the previous bot runs we did for Infobox school (some of these were done, but the difference with this one is that it will require going through the entire 30-35,000+ transclusions, should Primefac be up to it) or whoever would be up for doing this with a bot
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 00:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
|streetaddress=
and |street=
to |address=
and delete|schoolboard=
to |school_board=
and delete|educational authority=
to |educational_authority=
and delete|religion=
to |religious_affiliation=
and delete|schoolnumber=
and |number=
to |school_number=
and delete|school code=
to |school_code=
and delete|campus director=
to |campus_director=
and delete|head of school=
to |head_of_school=
and delete|number_of_staff=
and |number of staff=
to |staff=
and delete|num_employ=
to |employees=
and delete|age range=
to |age_range=
and delete|avg_class_size=
and |class=
to |average_class_size=
and delete|classes offered=
to |classes_offered=
and delete|schedtyp=
to |schedule_type=
and delete|campus size=
to |campus_size=
and delete|campus type=
to |campus_type=
and delete|fightsong=
to |fight_song=
and delete|athletics conference=
, |athletic_conference=
, |athletic conference=
and |conference=
to |athletics_conference=
and delete|team name=
and |teamname=
to |team_name=
and delete|testname=
to |test_name=
and delete|testaverage=
to |test_average=
and delete|bar pass rate=
to |bar_pass_rate=
and delete|school_roll=
to |roll=
and delete|annual tuition=
to |annual_tuition=
and delete|ranking=
to |USNWR_ranking=
and delete|free=
to |free_text=
and delete|free_1, free_label_1=
(For set 1–5): deprecate & softly remove one spelling set.|free_text1=
etc (?, weird long name), that is. Large usage number in both spellings (says TDmer).|free_label1=
and |free_text1=
, looks a bit more clearer with text and |free_1=
looks weird to me haha. What you think?|free_1=
to |free_text1=
and delete|free_2=
to |free_text2=
and delete|free_3=
to |free_text3=
and delete|free_4=
to |free_text4=
and delete|free_5=
to |free_text5=
and delete|free_label_1=
to |free_label1=
and delete|free_label_2=
to |free_label2=
and delete|free_label_3=
to |free_label3=
and delete|free_label_4=
to |free_label4=
and delete|free_label_5=
to |free_label5=
and delete|LEA=
and convert to |local_authority=
. |LEA=
should be deleted completely after renaming it to |local_authority=
. After checking the monthly error report, there are 81 uses. Note to those unaware: |LEA=
was already available in the Infobox school template before the Infobox UK school merger took place. This parameter in the UK one was already renamed during the bot run that took place after the merger discussion was complete. The remainder are UK articles that were not using Infobox UK school at the time or were manually converted to Infobox school but the parameter was not updated.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 20:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)If there's anything I've missed, feel free to add (please maintain styling) and I'll check again too. Thank you Steven (Editor) ( talk) 00:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Previous "Time to consolidate and simplify" section discussion: N/A. Resolved, whole section revamped
|
---|
|
|r_head=
should be merged with |rel_head=
. They both mean "current religious leader / head person".|r_head=
because it's used in both infoboxes (also the only one in the UK infobox), used slightly more in Infobox school per the monthly error report and I think this looks better and simpler than |rel_head=
. What you think?|box_style=
? |box_style=
should be deleted completely, I don't think we need CSS styling for the infobox but after checking the monthly error report, the parameter is not being used at all. |box_width=
currently has 22 uses but I don't think there is any need to manually adjust the width of the infobox, the default width is perfect and also because of low-use. But if you have a look at some of the articles that are using this parameter, it looks terrible. What you think?
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 03:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)|years_taught=
is not used. Will |years_taught=
not suffice? Are we being too detailed here? Low usage too per the monthly error report: 3, 2 and 22 respectively. I think these should be deleted and if you agree, I think the best way of handling this would be to go through the articles using these and manually move the information (if filled in right) to |years_taught=
, which I'm happy to do. It can then be deleted from the code and blank instances removed via bot|medium= mediums= medium_of_language= medium of language==
: four synonyms, and no warning for double-use. -
DePiep (
talk) 10:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)|language=
, which is documented as having the same function as |medium=
. These two parameters should probably be merged into one. Also, "medium of language" does not make sense to me; is it standard in British English? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 19:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
|medium=
, |mediums=
and |medium of language=
should be renamed to |medium_of_language=
and deleted. A small discussion was bought up on the naming of this parameter with it being called "Medium of language"; see
here. Note that Wikipedia has a dedicated article titled "
Medium of instruction". Perhaps we opt for changing the display title to simply "Medium" or "Medium of instruction" (possibly linked to its dedicated article) and change all the respective parameters to |medium=
or a new parameter, |medium_of_instruction=
? The |language=
parameter should be merged with it and deleted. |colo(u)rs=
should be merged with |school_colo(u)rs=
. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 20:59, 5 November 2018 (UTC)|colors, colors, colours=
and |school_colors, schoolcolors, school_colors, school_colours, schoolcolours=
(check me)
|color=
etc for singular (exceptional, right?). labeltext should be plural by default. Deprecate all "school"-prefixes: this is infobox school alteasy, duh.|color, colour=
(sing) and |colors, colours=
(plu, default) -
DePiep (
talk) 23:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
|colors/colours=
which has high use and no need for singular ones because these are already displayed in the infobox as "Color(s)" / "Colour(s)", which should suffice right?
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 04:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
|enrollment=
should be merged with |school_roll=
and |students=
. They all mean "number of students enrolled in the school". The term "school roll" appears to be used most often
in New Zealand –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)|roll=
should be merged with the |enrolment=
/|enrollment=
/|students=
/|pupils=
variation parameters (as suggested above by
Jonesey95 but using |roll=
(already an alias/synonym and displayed as "School roll" in the infobox) instead of |school_roll=
as this will fit in liaison with the naming convention of the enrolment variation parameters. An equivalent |roll_as_of=
should also be added (the majority of the schools using this parameter have the year, but with the use of brackets added manually which does not follow with current formatting of the other enrolment parameters)
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 00:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
|homepage=
, |url=
, and |website=
into a single parameter with two aliases. I think this is ready to happen, based on the zero pages in
Category:Pages using infobox school with multiple external links. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 15:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)|homepage=
and |url=
is renamed to |website=
and then deleted? There could be a problem for this however as some articles have either two or three of these, but homepage and url should be deprecated in favour of website. There is an issue, if two or three of these are used, the template does not produce a warning with "Using more than one of the following parameters and only one is displayed. So merging the parameters would solve this.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 20:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
|Refactored=
is not a common word so the caption may also need to be overwritten |Refactored_label=
- on that I have no strong views.
ClemRutter (
talk) 09:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)|pupil_name=
: "Etonian" for
Eton College. -
DePiep (
talk) 10:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
|demonym=
, as is used in {{
infobox settlement}}. See
demonym. (I could be wrong, though; demonym may only apply to residents or natives of a given place, not alumni of a school. More research may be needed.) –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 14:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)|dfeno=
if it is still around after the merge. See discussion above that resulted in no consensus to delete or keep it. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 07:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)|trust=
and |executive_headteacher=
. A possible UID parameter to identify the trust was mentioned but to be discussed.
Steven (Editor) (
talk) 04:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)|specialist=
is for and possibly give it a less engvar-specific label and description. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 05:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)|display=title
, the word "Coordinates" displays in the template with no coordinates after it. See
Conestoga High School for a current example. We fixed this problem on multiple templates during the
Wikipedia:Coordinates in infoboxes project; I don't remember how, but the answer is probably on the project's talk page. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 13:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)|publications=
in addition to |publication=
, to parallel |founders=
and similar parameters? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 08:33, 10 November 2018 (UTC)I occasionally run
AWB to clean up bits and bobs in school infoboxes. I often come across the r_head
field being used incorrectly (i.e. for vice/deputy positions), certainly more so than for its correct use. This suggests that editors don't know what the field is for, and r_head
as a label isn't self-explanatory. Is there a reason we abbreviate "religious" here, but don't for the religious_affiliation
field? Would religious_head
avoid ambiguity and misuse of the field?
MIDI (
talk) 15:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Please fix the typos. 24.115.255.37 ( talk) 18:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
|enrolment=
is used, the label will be "Enrolment". If |enrollment=
is used, the label will be "Enrollment". If you see a case where the template is not working as intended, please link to an example page. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 19:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)