This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Full citation needed template. |
|
I've created this tag as an alternative to the {{fact}} tag, for the cases where a reference is alluded to, or given in part, but not specified sufficiently precisely to be located. The factuality may or may not be in question.
Why does this link to Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Citation_style? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Just used this and expected to find the article placed in some maintenance category but there weren't any. Should there be some maintenance categories added to this template so the articles can be tracked and problem dealt with? Keith D ( talk) 17:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the template, per the discussion below. Double redirects fixed, please help with documentation if I missed anything. Dekimasu よ! 17:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Template:Full → Template:Full citation needed – To match {{ Citation needed}}, and because we've had a long-standing trend to move at least the more commonly used templates to descriptive names, and use shorthand monickers like {{ full}} as shortcut redirects (e.g. {{ cn}} and {{ fact}} redir to {{ citation needed}}). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 05:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure what purpose this serves. We already have {{ Citation broken}} and multiple other templates to request specific citation details. -- Chealer ( talk) 22:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
In some cases people are so lazy with the citations that they just drop very incomplete citations all over the place. A prime example is Distributive_property#Notes which refers to who-knows-what books in most of its inline citations. So, is there a better way to flag these articles other than individually tagging every unclear citation? I suppose I could (and for now I will) add a {{ cleanup}} tag with a custom message. Some1Redirects4You ( talk) 03:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
I didn't realise that there is a date parameter until seeing one on a bot edit. Perhaps the documentation could mention this (and any other parameters). Declangi ( talk) 02:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The example provided in the documentation,
{{
Full|date=June 2024}}
does not show where the template should go if there is an incomplete citation with reference tags. Should it be this way:
{{
Full|date=June 2024}}
Or should it be this way:
{{
Full|date=June 2024}}
</ref>
I believe that the template should be included outside the ref tags because a vague reference used multiple times might need a different repair each time it is used, as in my example where only the newspaper's name is given in the reference. Others may disagree. We need to decide and we need to say in the template documentation. — Anomalocaris ( talk) 17:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace with sandbox. This requested edit changes the tool-tip from "A more detailed citation is required." to A complete citation is needed". It also changes the category from Category:Articles needing more detailed references to Category:Articles with incomplete citations and adds the same category as scheme for date-based categories.
Category:Articles needing more detailed references is currently populated by this template and Template:Specify which has a very different purpose. This template can be described as the in-line version of Template:Ref expand, which populates Category:Articles with incomplete citations, and therefore the latter is a better category for this template to populate. Bsherr ( talk) 10:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
cat
redundant if you're specifying cat-date
, or do you really want the page appearing in both parent & child categories?
Cabayi (
talk) 06:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
cat
only works if date
is null). This is consistent with the code currently in the widely-used
Template:Citation needed, which uses both.cat-date
. Actually, leaving cat
empty will default to categorizing the page in
Category:All pages needing cleanup, which would be desirable for this template. If you or anyone else can put a second set of eyes on this and confirm I have it correct now, that would be super appreciated.This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Sorry, please replace with the sandbox one more time to add another "all" category:
|cat2 = [[Category:All articles with incomplete citations]]
-- Bsherr ( talk) 09:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
cat
rather than cat2
(checked with a preview of
Alfred Hitchcock). It's weird that {{
fix}} needs cat
to include the brackets, but not cat-date
, though, now I look, it is documented.
Cabayi (
talk) 10:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
cat2
. By leaving cat
null, {{
fix}} places the page in
Category:All pages needing cleanup, which we also want. --
Bsherr (
talk) 15:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
There seems to be a hunger for a way to include a note / reason / details.
Looking at the monthly parameter usage report there are 400+ uses of |reason=
, 40+ where {{{1}}}
is set via free text and 20+ uses of other undefined parameters.
Should we: just accept that editors will add extra text and document that as a valid {{{1}}}
or define |reason=
or not worry about all this since we do not currently make use of the extra text? —
GhostInTheMachine
talk to me 10:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change the following:
| title = A complete citation is needed
To:
| title = A complete citation is needed.
Regards, DesertPipeline ( talk) 08:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Full citation needed template. |
|
I've created this tag as an alternative to the {{fact}} tag, for the cases where a reference is alluded to, or given in part, but not specified sufficiently precisely to be located. The factuality may or may not be in question.
Why does this link to Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Citation_style? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Just used this and expected to find the article placed in some maintenance category but there weren't any. Should there be some maintenance categories added to this template so the articles can be tracked and problem dealt with? Keith D ( talk) 17:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the template, per the discussion below. Double redirects fixed, please help with documentation if I missed anything. Dekimasu よ! 17:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Template:Full → Template:Full citation needed – To match {{ Citation needed}}, and because we've had a long-standing trend to move at least the more commonly used templates to descriptive names, and use shorthand monickers like {{ full}} as shortcut redirects (e.g. {{ cn}} and {{ fact}} redir to {{ citation needed}}). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 05:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure what purpose this serves. We already have {{ Citation broken}} and multiple other templates to request specific citation details. -- Chealer ( talk) 22:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
In some cases people are so lazy with the citations that they just drop very incomplete citations all over the place. A prime example is Distributive_property#Notes which refers to who-knows-what books in most of its inline citations. So, is there a better way to flag these articles other than individually tagging every unclear citation? I suppose I could (and for now I will) add a {{ cleanup}} tag with a custom message. Some1Redirects4You ( talk) 03:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
I didn't realise that there is a date parameter until seeing one on a bot edit. Perhaps the documentation could mention this (and any other parameters). Declangi ( talk) 02:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The example provided in the documentation,
{{
Full|date=June 2024}}
does not show where the template should go if there is an incomplete citation with reference tags. Should it be this way:
{{
Full|date=June 2024}}
Or should it be this way:
{{
Full|date=June 2024}}
</ref>
I believe that the template should be included outside the ref tags because a vague reference used multiple times might need a different repair each time it is used, as in my example where only the newspaper's name is given in the reference. Others may disagree. We need to decide and we need to say in the template documentation. — Anomalocaris ( talk) 17:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace with sandbox. This requested edit changes the tool-tip from "A more detailed citation is required." to A complete citation is needed". It also changes the category from Category:Articles needing more detailed references to Category:Articles with incomplete citations and adds the same category as scheme for date-based categories.
Category:Articles needing more detailed references is currently populated by this template and Template:Specify which has a very different purpose. This template can be described as the in-line version of Template:Ref expand, which populates Category:Articles with incomplete citations, and therefore the latter is a better category for this template to populate. Bsherr ( talk) 10:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
cat
redundant if you're specifying cat-date
, or do you really want the page appearing in both parent & child categories?
Cabayi (
talk) 06:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
cat
only works if date
is null). This is consistent with the code currently in the widely-used
Template:Citation needed, which uses both.cat-date
. Actually, leaving cat
empty will default to categorizing the page in
Category:All pages needing cleanup, which would be desirable for this template. If you or anyone else can put a second set of eyes on this and confirm I have it correct now, that would be super appreciated.This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Sorry, please replace with the sandbox one more time to add another "all" category:
|cat2 = [[Category:All articles with incomplete citations]]
-- Bsherr ( talk) 09:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
cat
rather than cat2
(checked with a preview of
Alfred Hitchcock). It's weird that {{
fix}} needs cat
to include the brackets, but not cat-date
, though, now I look, it is documented.
Cabayi (
talk) 10:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
cat2
. By leaving cat
null, {{
fix}} places the page in
Category:All pages needing cleanup, which we also want. --
Bsherr (
talk) 15:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
There seems to be a hunger for a way to include a note / reason / details.
Looking at the monthly parameter usage report there are 400+ uses of |reason=
, 40+ where {{{1}}}
is set via free text and 20+ uses of other undefined parameters.
Should we: just accept that editors will add extra text and document that as a valid {{{1}}}
or define |reason=
or not worry about all this since we do not currently make use of the extra text? —
GhostInTheMachine
talk to me 10:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change the following:
| title = A complete citation is needed
To:
| title = A complete citation is needed.
Regards, DesertPipeline ( talk) 08:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)