Why is the format changed into "Dragon Warrior" games then followed by "Dragon Quest" games? Why couldn't they be listed by the order of their Roman Numerals? - Aresmo 10:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the other games in the series? There used to be links of Dragon Quest Monsters and Torneko in the template, pretty much the same as the Final Fantasy template does, but it's nowhere to be found now. Why? Anonymous User
I just added other Dragon Quest titles to the template, but only those which have been released. The Dragon Quest/Warrior Monsters games generally link to the same article, Dragon Quest Monsters, but each should be broken into its own article ( Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker is already an article on its own). I did not include Torneko, since articles do not yet exist for any of the Torneko games. If you disagree with this edit, please let me know here or on my talk page before deleting or reverting. Zenithian 20:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
AMIB, stop removing Dragon Quest 9 from the list. Game that are not reliased can and should be put on templated El cid the hero 04:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't care about your little edit war here. I feel that the Dragon Quest IX article will be included in the near-future anyway. I suggest someone take this up with the Arbitration Committee to see if the inclusion of IX is truly viable at this time. I think it is, but that's my opinion. -- Whatocean 10:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
No playable demos? We saw some of the developers demoing it. We know it's playable. And we know it's coming this year. We know the platform, how it plays, how it looks, and who is developing it. DQIX does not have enough information, the article just isn't informative enough. It needs to blossom into a real article - describing all of the gameplay and various information. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not a high standard to have to meet. All a game needs is to have been shown in playable form, have a final name, and have a final release date. That's a really low bar. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 01:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
i don't believe a game need a final release date to be eligible for inclusion into a template El cid the hero 19:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I added
Character classes from the Dragon Quest series to the template. If you don't like it then just revert my edit. --
The Dark Side
02:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
... If the Slime games will be placed in "Others", please do not separate Kenshin from Swords. Icecypher 18:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Really, A Link to the Past, one revert ago you were stating that "two games do not make a series, they make a game and its sequel", now you go back to "Dragon Quest Heroes" as a name for the series when it is not even the name of a single game... The first of your reverts makes me think you were throwing a tantrum, even when I try to assume good faith from you. The second makes me think you simply do not care about what others have to say. Care to really explain why naming the series "Dragon Quest Heroes" is the way to go? Let us show people we can solve this without needing to call the rest of the Wikipedia community, which it is past time we did, actually. Icecypher 22:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
ALTTP, you are ignoring official sources. On the one hand, there's Yuji Horii and Richard Honeywood using the term "Slime MoriMori series". This makes it an official term, at least in Japan. On the other hand, there's one European video gaming site making up in passing a term, "Dragon Quest Heroes series", which only they have ever used. The two sources definitely don't have the same weight. Only the first has real weight because it's official (the interviewee's words, not the site in itself). If the term Dragon Quest heroes series were used in something like, the majority of video gaming sites, it would have much more weight despite not being official, but currently, the term seems both unofficial and in the minority. The term Slime MoriMori series is Japanese, but it's the only official term and the more used one. Kariteh 20:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we should include all of the games. Not just ones that have been released in english.-- Marhawkman 21:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no mention of the three dq related Itadaki Street games on the main DQ page at all. Should they be added to the template? Or does somebody want to add an extra section to the dragon quest main page to talk about them and link from the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 ( talk) 21:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The Dragon Quest games are not numbered in Europe. The subtitles should be specified for DQIV, V, VI and VIII to account for this fact. Kariteh ( talk) 19:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the subtitles should be added (or at least put in parenthesis after the numeral), on the games which were released in Europe without numerals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 ( talk) 20:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
If everyone agrees I guess we can try it, unless people start to complain about it. Aresmo ( talk) 14:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I already put Fan Mode section in the Template.-- Woad85 ( talk) 02:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Rather than get into an edit war over this, I'll be the bigger person and start a discussion.
Since DQ9 now uses the numerical number in it and both the Japanese and US versions have the numbering and navigation issues are about ease of navigation, I believe all the subtitles should be removed. I am aware of the previous discussion adding them, but that consensus was before DQ9 came out. Furthermore, the long subtitles actually hinder navigation because of their length and inconsistancy with the rest of the series. Finally, since the original game was not numbered and the last game has a subtitle in English, it seems rather arbitrary in the way things are handled.
Finally, many other series are known by their subtitles and navigation titles use only numerical representation. Dragon Quest main series given that it has numbers doesn't need the subtitles if they can do without. 陣 内 Jinnai 00:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree. Yes, Dragon Quest IX is numbered in all territories but the remake series has not yet been numbered in Europe and there's been no indication that that is going to change. I don't see how the subtitles hinder navigation. They may make the template less aesthetically pleasing but I don't see how they make it more difficult to use. On the other hand, they may be very useful for European gamers. I think we should wait and see what they do with the titles for future remakes before taking action. This template is going to be something of a compromise for some time - for example the title 'Dragon Quest and Dragon Warrior games' isn't ideal but is accurate for the moment. In addition we also don't list Dragon Warrior in the titles for 1, 2 and 3 and that is clearly something that would qualify under the same issue. Fianlly DQ9 does have the roman numeral so a subtitle for that isn't nessasary in any instance and without the release of DQ6 in Europe yet, the subtitle isn't needed. We cannot forsee how they will release it so its better to make it simpler and easier to navigate. 陣 内 Jinnai 00:12, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The European title for VI is stated on the page for that game and is sourced. It doesn't change the fact that the previous remakes have not been numbered in Europe. Your edits make no sense whatsoever, the template as it is may be inconsistent but there is at least some rationale behind it. Your edit introduces inconsistencies that are totally arbitrary. Your reasons for removing the subtitles seem unconvincing and I can't help but feel that you're pushing your own personal preference rather than any real usability issue. There is a previous consensus on this issue, there is no consensus for your position and your edits have been repeatedly reverted by several different editors. I suggest you leave the template alone until you generate a consensus for your viewpoint. EvilRedEye ( talk) 22:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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Why is the format changed into "Dragon Warrior" games then followed by "Dragon Quest" games? Why couldn't they be listed by the order of their Roman Numerals? - Aresmo 10:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the other games in the series? There used to be links of Dragon Quest Monsters and Torneko in the template, pretty much the same as the Final Fantasy template does, but it's nowhere to be found now. Why? Anonymous User
I just added other Dragon Quest titles to the template, but only those which have been released. The Dragon Quest/Warrior Monsters games generally link to the same article, Dragon Quest Monsters, but each should be broken into its own article ( Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker is already an article on its own). I did not include Torneko, since articles do not yet exist for any of the Torneko games. If you disagree with this edit, please let me know here or on my talk page before deleting or reverting. Zenithian 20:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
AMIB, stop removing Dragon Quest 9 from the list. Game that are not reliased can and should be put on templated El cid the hero 04:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't care about your little edit war here. I feel that the Dragon Quest IX article will be included in the near-future anyway. I suggest someone take this up with the Arbitration Committee to see if the inclusion of IX is truly viable at this time. I think it is, but that's my opinion. -- Whatocean 10:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
No playable demos? We saw some of the developers demoing it. We know it's playable. And we know it's coming this year. We know the platform, how it plays, how it looks, and who is developing it. DQIX does not have enough information, the article just isn't informative enough. It needs to blossom into a real article - describing all of the gameplay and various information. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not a high standard to have to meet. All a game needs is to have been shown in playable form, have a final name, and have a final release date. That's a really low bar. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 01:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
i don't believe a game need a final release date to be eligible for inclusion into a template El cid the hero 19:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I added
Character classes from the Dragon Quest series to the template. If you don't like it then just revert my edit. --
The Dark Side
02:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
... If the Slime games will be placed in "Others", please do not separate Kenshin from Swords. Icecypher 18:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Really, A Link to the Past, one revert ago you were stating that "two games do not make a series, they make a game and its sequel", now you go back to "Dragon Quest Heroes" as a name for the series when it is not even the name of a single game... The first of your reverts makes me think you were throwing a tantrum, even when I try to assume good faith from you. The second makes me think you simply do not care about what others have to say. Care to really explain why naming the series "Dragon Quest Heroes" is the way to go? Let us show people we can solve this without needing to call the rest of the Wikipedia community, which it is past time we did, actually. Icecypher 22:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
ALTTP, you are ignoring official sources. On the one hand, there's Yuji Horii and Richard Honeywood using the term "Slime MoriMori series". This makes it an official term, at least in Japan. On the other hand, there's one European video gaming site making up in passing a term, "Dragon Quest Heroes series", which only they have ever used. The two sources definitely don't have the same weight. Only the first has real weight because it's official (the interviewee's words, not the site in itself). If the term Dragon Quest heroes series were used in something like, the majority of video gaming sites, it would have much more weight despite not being official, but currently, the term seems both unofficial and in the minority. The term Slime MoriMori series is Japanese, but it's the only official term and the more used one. Kariteh 20:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I think we should include all of the games. Not just ones that have been released in english.-- Marhawkman 21:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no mention of the three dq related Itadaki Street games on the main DQ page at all. Should they be added to the template? Or does somebody want to add an extra section to the dragon quest main page to talk about them and link from the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 ( talk) 21:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The Dragon Quest games are not numbered in Europe. The subtitles should be specified for DQIV, V, VI and VIII to account for this fact. Kariteh ( talk) 19:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the subtitles should be added (or at least put in parenthesis after the numeral), on the games which were released in Europe without numerals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 ( talk) 20:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
If everyone agrees I guess we can try it, unless people start to complain about it. Aresmo ( talk) 14:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I already put Fan Mode section in the Template.-- Woad85 ( talk) 02:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Rather than get into an edit war over this, I'll be the bigger person and start a discussion.
Since DQ9 now uses the numerical number in it and both the Japanese and US versions have the numbering and navigation issues are about ease of navigation, I believe all the subtitles should be removed. I am aware of the previous discussion adding them, but that consensus was before DQ9 came out. Furthermore, the long subtitles actually hinder navigation because of their length and inconsistancy with the rest of the series. Finally, since the original game was not numbered and the last game has a subtitle in English, it seems rather arbitrary in the way things are handled.
Finally, many other series are known by their subtitles and navigation titles use only numerical representation. Dragon Quest main series given that it has numbers doesn't need the subtitles if they can do without. 陣 内 Jinnai 00:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree. Yes, Dragon Quest IX is numbered in all territories but the remake series has not yet been numbered in Europe and there's been no indication that that is going to change. I don't see how the subtitles hinder navigation. They may make the template less aesthetically pleasing but I don't see how they make it more difficult to use. On the other hand, they may be very useful for European gamers. I think we should wait and see what they do with the titles for future remakes before taking action. This template is going to be something of a compromise for some time - for example the title 'Dragon Quest and Dragon Warrior games' isn't ideal but is accurate for the moment. In addition we also don't list Dragon Warrior in the titles for 1, 2 and 3 and that is clearly something that would qualify under the same issue. Fianlly DQ9 does have the roman numeral so a subtitle for that isn't nessasary in any instance and without the release of DQ6 in Europe yet, the subtitle isn't needed. We cannot forsee how they will release it so its better to make it simpler and easier to navigate. 陣 内 Jinnai 00:12, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The European title for VI is stated on the page for that game and is sourced. It doesn't change the fact that the previous remakes have not been numbered in Europe. Your edits make no sense whatsoever, the template as it is may be inconsistent but there is at least some rationale behind it. Your edit introduces inconsistencies that are totally arbitrary. Your reasons for removing the subtitles seem unconvincing and I can't help but feel that you're pushing your own personal preference rather than any real usability issue. There is a previous consensus on this issue, there is no consensus for your position and your edits have been repeatedly reverted by several different editors. I suggest you leave the template alone until you generate a consensus for your viewpoint. EvilRedEye ( talk) 22:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)