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I know the month and year that Tommy Arkesden was born, and I know the exact day that he died. However, if I leave out the day of birth from this template, it appears broken, and the {{ death year and age}} template is useless to me as I have his exact date of death. How can I solve this problem? – Pee Jay 12:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Death dates for persons born before the adoption of the Gregorian calendar will often be entered in the Julian calendar. This template will then link the displayed date, which will be rendered according to the preferences set by the reader (if any). Some readers will have selected the ISO-8601 format. Thus some readers will see a date, like January 7, 1502, with no statement or implication about the calendar, so the reader will have to read the article to determine the calendar. Other readers will see 1502-01-07, and "know" (perhaps mistakenly) that the date is in the proleptic Gregorian calendar. The formatting of dates also imposes date formatting in the rest of the article upon any editor who wishes to use this template for the sake of consistency, so this template can't be used in any article where the editors have a consensus against autoformatting. A specific article where this was a problem is Pope Pius V. -- Gerry Ashton ( talk) 18:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this template (and others in the same family) doesn't add the pages on which it appears to the relevant "Category:YYYY births" and "Category:YYYY deaths" ? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 08:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Are the 'year' / 'month' / 'day' parameters used for anything? They aren't included in the template documentation and if used in place of the numbered parameters they would actually use the same date for both birth and death... therefor always calculating death at age 0. Unless there is some undocumented purpose to these I think they should be removed. I already simplified the conditions from things like: {{{1|{{{year|{{{1}}}}}}}}} to {{{1|{{{year}}}}}}... the only difference between the two being that if BOTH values are unset the old method would evaluate to the TEXT {{{1}}} while the new method evaluates to {{{year}}}... both of which cause an error. If either the 1 or year parameter is set then the two strings evaluate exactly the same way. -- CBD 11:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
What about people who were born in BC? And what about people born in BC who died in AD? — The Man in Question (gesprec) · (forðung) 07:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
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J JMesserly (
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20:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)After seeing this template abused one too many times, I have added a note to the usage instructions warning people not to use this template when the person's exact date of birth or death is disputed or unknown. Kaldari ( talk) 18:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
For some reason, this now gives .0000000000000000 after the age. This needs to be fixed. :/ Oc t ane [ improve me? 05:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Jeff Fehring was born on 21st April 1956 not 1955 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.208.64.186 ( talk) 06:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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J JMesserly (
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20:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Whoever is responsible for creating this template that automatically generates the word "aged" followed by the age at death, should give some thought to changing it to "age". For example, 86 is the age of a person at death. The person was not aged for 86 years in a storage cellar, in most cases. I know this may seem strange to the new internet generation who mimic whatever the other illiterates are doing online, but "age" is the appropriate term for obituaries. If in doubt, check the AP journalist's style book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.125.76 ( talk) 05:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} Please change "aged" to "age", per above discussion and corresponding discussion at Wikiproject Templates. Intelligent sium 00:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the relation of this template to the confusingly similarly worded, but much less used, Template:Death-date and age? I'm not confident enough about these templates to propose a merge myself, but don't like the fact they're worded so similarly without explanation of their relation. Dsp13 ( talk) 16:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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hi sorry to bother you but the place where john george adair is interred is at lea church in killenard co.laoise ireland and his wife is interred in ashes at the church she built for him
Tomkav24 (
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23:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Moved to Talk:P. D. Eastman Avic enna sis @ 03:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Is there any way to have this template work for inputting both month and years for birth/death dates? Thanks Connormah ( talk | contribs) 01:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Would there be any objection to adding a parameter to give exact ages in years and days? E.g.
{{death date and age|exact=y|2002|1|3|1889|1|22}}
would give:
Error: Need valid death date (first date): year, month, day
Already coded in the sandbox and it seems to work fine. This would be useful for people who are notable for their age (e.g. Antonio Todde). PC78 ( talk) 16:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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She did not pass away, she's currently in critical condition. AOL reported it and also on Fox News, but webpages have not been corrected yet.
74.129.144.42 ( talk) 19:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I have come up with an idea for a possible new template dealing with lifespans. I would like to present the Death date and approximate age template. That would address people with lifespans that consist of an exact date of death and a year of birth without a month or day available or known. An example of what I'm talking about concerns the lifespan of Giuliano de' Medici (1453–1478), who was born in 1453, date unknown, and who died on April 26, 1478. I will also supply a visual of what I am thinking of below.
{{Death date and approximate age|yyyy|mm|dd|yyyy}}
Of course, death date and approximate age is, so far, merely a working title for the template, and I would be welcome to any suggestions for other names. I feel that this template is necessary for cases such as Giuliano de' Medici so that he and others with similarly described lifespans can have their own template as well. I'm not totally confident in my own abilities to program it myself, so if someone could do that, I would appreciate that. Thoughts? Backtable Speak to me concerning my deeds. 06:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
PS: Since this isn't the part of Wikipedia that I'm an expert in, am I bringing this up in an appropriate talk page or is somewhere else more ideal? Backtable Speak to me concerning my deeds. 06:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please change
span class="dday"
to span class="dday deathdate"
to take account of the parameter name used in the forthcoming extension to the vCard standard.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
11:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please change "aged" to "age". This template occurs in adjective contexts where "(age 70)" is more correct than "(aged 70)". For example, you would say, "___ died in 2010 at age 70", not "...in 2010 at aged 70", or even "...in 2010 aged 70". See also Chicago Manual of Style Section 5.220. Thank you. 67.6.163.68 ( talk) 07:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Frank Cook exMP correct date of death is 10th January 2012, not 11th as you state, the 11th, ie today is the date the news was publicly announced, go back and check your source
217.43.250.204 ( talk) 18:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
{{
Death date and age}}
template. Problems with individual articles should be noted at the talk page specific to that article. Assuming that the article in question is
Frank Cook, its talk page is
Talk:Frank Cook. --
Redrose64 (
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19:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)I notice that it always says "Aged" for somebodies age at death. Isn't it better to say age? Aged sounds like cheese. Could I be wrong? Longinus876 ( talk) 12:30, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
hi;
there seems to be a flaw in the math for calculating age @ death.
for the page David Holt (actor)
it produces this result:
David Jack Holt Born August 14, 1927 Jacksonville, Florida Died March 10, 2003 (aged 76) San Juan Capistrano, California Other names David Holt
now, he was in his 76th YEAR, when he died, BUT he died before his 76th BIRTHDAY; therefore, by standard western/international conventions he was 75 years old (plus x-days), NOT "76".
this NEEDS to be fixed, as a priorty bug; if not, the template needs to be "decomissioned" until it is. it is NOT acceptable to have (persistent, systematic) factual errors like this in the "articlespace".
i note that the last comment on this talkpage is several years old, & i'm a little bit worried that no one is going to read this in a timely manner; so if i don't get a reply in the next day or so, i'll repost elsewhere.
i thank you in advance, for your time & attention in this matter.
Lx 121 ( talk) 02:35, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
{{dda|2003|15|10|1927|8|14|mf=y}}
. the format should be yyyy|mm|dd
and mm is set to 15 which is not a valid month, so the template goes a bit wonky as there isn't much error checking in the template. --
WOSlinker (
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06:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
ok, but (aside from the question of getting this particular death date correct) the point is this: when the death-date in the infobox was SHOWING as march, the computed age was WRONG
when the data was entered in the template, the month DISPLAYED as "march". i assume that was some kind of "overflow" bug, where the month was computed as (12+3)?
but, whatever's causing it, the template is NOT USEFUL in the article-space with a glitch like that (until it gets fixed). it should NOT mis-read month-numbers like that. if the month-number is >12, it should be a "nul-value", not an "overcount". the current "behaviour" makes it harder to notice mistakes in using the template, & clearly makes it easier for such errors to slip into articles...
Lx 121 ( talk) 06:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Any reason why the (aged xx) part of this template is now appearing on a line break when used in the death date field? eg. [3] [4] Never used to do this until recently... can it be fixed? Connormah ( talk) 03:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I keep seeing this and related templates wrapped in {{ nowrap}}. If this is proper, then it should be added to the template. -- Gadget850 talk 01:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
As the original purpose of the template was to provide metadata should we not mention in the instructions to only use for the articles subject? AWB uses the template to update the Persondata template and can be fooled - For example, this edit [5] added a death date for an actress, although it was actually her son who died. Periglio ( talk) 12:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Please see this new article. Does anyone know why there is a hyphen between "aged" and "83"? I still have lots to do on the body, but I can't figure out the hyphen in the infobox. HalfGig talk 13:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Artie Shaw lived from May of 1910 to December of 2004 (94.6 years). By standard convention he was 94 years old (plus x-days), not 95 years. Why then does the template show "aged 95" in his Infobox? tahc chat 07:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I have added code to the sandbox that is intended to display an age range at death if only the year of birth is known. That should allow the birth month and day to be omitted. Here are some tests:
I think this should work, but I had to jump through a bunch of hoops. This would allow us to fix all of the templates with "0" for the birth month/day by simply deleting those values. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 14:22, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Come across some articles that have the death day missing in the template so cant be fixed, solution ? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (basketball) has an invalid date, but its complicated! The date is within the {{ Petro Atlético Basketball roster}} template, but ultimately in the {{ Player3}} template. I can see the {{ birth date}} template in the Player3 is still expecting the full 3 parameters. I mention it hoping that someone a bit more experienced will take over. Periglio ( talk) 18:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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We recently added error-checking to {{ Birth date and age}} (see this discussion for details). I propose that this popular template get the same treatment. Here are some examples of errors detected in the sandbox:
Paging Periglio, WeijiBaikeBianji, Mr. Stradivarius, Wbm1058, MilborneOne. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
is_valid_date ()
validates a single date and accounts for leap years for both the
Julian and
Gregorian calendars. There may be other date validation code out there.Category:Pages using age template with invalid date didn't stay empty for long. 752 members now, and still cooking. Hot off the grill! -- Wbm1058 ( talk) 01:06, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
{{death date and age|1891|4|14|1863|0|0}}
(death date known, only birth year known)? I see this in
Frank Bell (baseball) and other articles. I don't see a template that works for this situation, but it's been a long day, so I am probably missing something. –
Jonesey95 (
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01:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
{{death date |1891|4|14}}
April 14, 1891 –
Wbm1058 (
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02:09, 3 April 2015 (UTC){{death date and age|1907|1|31|1834|3|0}}
reports: January 31, 1907 (aged 72) invalid day{{death date |1907|1|31}}
we show just: January 31, 1907 – having removed the legitimately calculated age. Should we make the template smarter here? –
Wbm1058 (
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12:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)As this seems to be the current page for comments on the age template project, I suggest {{ Birth year and age}} as the next one to be updated. I have fixed a couple recently that were saying age (161-162). Periglio ( talk) 19:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
This template uses {{ Age in years}} to calculate the age of a person at their death if the month and day of birth are unknown. That template currently shows only a single age, which causes a potentially inaccurate age at death to be displayed. Please see Template talk:Age in years for an explanation and a proposed fix. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 04:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
The following is appearing on some pages
"Expression error: Unexpected < operator–Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".)Expression error: Unexpected > operator"
See google
-- Aronzak ( talk) 05:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
See Template talk:Death year and age § What if birth day is known but only month/year of death is known?
I've asking the protecting admin to lower the protection of {{ Death year and age}} to template-editor level, so that we can work on it. – Wbm1058 ( talk) 14:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I would like to see a consensus develop on whether this template should employ the word "age" or "aged". This question has been asked many times (in the past archives). Most of those questioning the wording advocate that it change from "aged" to "age". The response has always been "This has been discussed before" and it links to some prior discussion. The prior discussion, however, was extremely short and only involved two or three people. There was one editor who "authoritatively" stated that "aged" is correct and "age" is incorrect. And he directed to a Wiktionary link for the definition of "aged". (See here wikt:aged). That dictionary definition says "Having the age of". However, it also says, "(primarily non-US)". I am in the USA. I have never seen or heard the phrasing "aged 25". I have always seen/heard the phrasing as "age 25". I am sure many will agree with me. And, this is the English Wikipedia, of which the USA is a major part. So, how do we discuss this matter and develop a consensus one way or the other? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 05:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Currently we have...
My suggestion...
It is a simple patch which I have already done in my sandbox. First we will need a few more people to confirm that this is the correct grammar for the US style, and then a consensus to implement. To my UK ears, aged sounds right. I am offering this as a solution on my assumption that this is a UK/US difference, although I have no idea if this is the case! Periglio ( talk) 20:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Graham Ellis, who has died aged 90 [6] Ex-SAS paratrooper who was first British soldier to set foot in occupied France on D-Day has died aged 95 [7] Nubar, died on 17th November 2013, aged 85 years [8]
One of the parameters of this template alters the ordering from MONTH,DATE,YEAR to DATE,MONTH,YEAR to cater for the differences between US and UK date formats (see MOS:DATETIES). At the moment whichever date format is used the template uses "aged nn". Previous discussions have raised the question whether the term "aged" is grammatically correct.
I believe "aged" is correct for UK, but I do not know how a US version should be formatted. Just "age" has been suggested, see previous section "Age" versus "aged". I have created a revised template in my sandbox to show my proposed change, which only affects the US format.
Example UK date format: John Aspinall (zoo owner) 29 June 2000 (aged 74) Example US date format: James Dean September 30, 1955 (at age 24)
Periglio ( talk) 11:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
|df=
parameter to anything will result in DMY dates and "aged"; not setting it will result in MDY dates and "age". —
Mr. Stradivarius
♪ talk ♪
11:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)How do we discuss an alternative proposal? Someone above suggested this. We scrap the wording "age 26" or "aged 26" and simply replace it with "26 years old". Not a bad idea. Or are there implications that maybe I am not seeing? For example, what if a person is only "months old" or only "days old", and not "years old"? (In other words, if a young infant dies.) How do we consider this proposal also? It seems like a great resolution. No? It avoids the American versus British discrepancy. It "sounds" correct to everyone's ears. And it keeps all articles consistent. No? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 17:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Age at death | 26 years |
Could I remind you that the original proposal is just asking Do US-EN speakers prefer to see "aged" or "age" when they see a date of death summarised in an infobox.
Periglio ( talk) 04:55, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Support: "Aged" ("UK") is more literate than "Age" ("US"). I don't see any need to advertise this discussion to a wider audience; most people probably haven't noticed the difference. BTW, I'm U.S.-- Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
The request for comments here also affects this template. Feedback is much appreciated.-- Nevé – selbert 23:32, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi all… what are the merits of using the {{death date and age|YYYYY|MM|DD|yyyy|mm|dd|df=yes}} template? After the death of a person, the birth, and death dates are fixed, so there is no requirement for a dynamic calculation of age, and if the birth, and death categories are completed, does the {{death date and age}} template serve any purpose? Best regards. DynamoDegsy ( talk) 12:15, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Isn't that more correct if, for example, the format is (age 54 or 55) instead of (age 54–55)? -- Hddty. ( talk) 15:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure of the proper way to handle those born in BC and dying in AD. Sejanus being an example. If only in BC I believe the template should work if you use negative years. However with no year zero, you seem likely to get an off-by-one error. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 16:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
why can't I use it like the following?
{{death date and age|2012|03|13|2001|03|df=yes}} {{death date and age |1993|2|29 |1921|2|df=yes}}-- 223.104.186.116 ( talk) 13:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
{{death date and age|1993|2|29|1921|2|df=yes}}
is (simulated to avoid the ugly errors):
(aged {{age|1921|12|31|1993|2|29|}}–{{age|1921|1|1|1993|2|29|}})
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I know the month and year that Tommy Arkesden was born, and I know the exact day that he died. However, if I leave out the day of birth from this template, it appears broken, and the {{ death year and age}} template is useless to me as I have his exact date of death. How can I solve this problem? – Pee Jay 12:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Death dates for persons born before the adoption of the Gregorian calendar will often be entered in the Julian calendar. This template will then link the displayed date, which will be rendered according to the preferences set by the reader (if any). Some readers will have selected the ISO-8601 format. Thus some readers will see a date, like January 7, 1502, with no statement or implication about the calendar, so the reader will have to read the article to determine the calendar. Other readers will see 1502-01-07, and "know" (perhaps mistakenly) that the date is in the proleptic Gregorian calendar. The formatting of dates also imposes date formatting in the rest of the article upon any editor who wishes to use this template for the sake of consistency, so this template can't be used in any article where the editors have a consensus against autoformatting. A specific article where this was a problem is Pope Pius V. -- Gerry Ashton ( talk) 18:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this template (and others in the same family) doesn't add the pages on which it appears to the relevant "Category:YYYY births" and "Category:YYYY deaths" ? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 08:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Are the 'year' / 'month' / 'day' parameters used for anything? They aren't included in the template documentation and if used in place of the numbered parameters they would actually use the same date for both birth and death... therefor always calculating death at age 0. Unless there is some undocumented purpose to these I think they should be removed. I already simplified the conditions from things like: {{{1|{{{year|{{{1}}}}}}}}} to {{{1|{{{year}}}}}}... the only difference between the two being that if BOTH values are unset the old method would evaluate to the TEXT {{{1}}} while the new method evaluates to {{{year}}}... both of which cause an error. If either the 1 or year parameter is set then the two strings evaluate exactly the same way. -- CBD 11:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
What about people who were born in BC? And what about people born in BC who died in AD? — The Man in Question (gesprec) · (forðung) 07:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
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death-date and age}}
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J JMesserly (
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20:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)After seeing this template abused one too many times, I have added a note to the usage instructions warning people not to use this template when the person's exact date of birth or death is disputed or unknown. Kaldari ( talk) 18:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
For some reason, this now gives .0000000000000000 after the age. This needs to be fixed. :/ Oc t ane [ improve me? 05:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Jeff Fehring was born on 21st April 1956 not 1955 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.208.64.186 ( talk) 06:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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J JMesserly (
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20:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Whoever is responsible for creating this template that automatically generates the word "aged" followed by the age at death, should give some thought to changing it to "age". For example, 86 is the age of a person at death. The person was not aged for 86 years in a storage cellar, in most cases. I know this may seem strange to the new internet generation who mimic whatever the other illiterates are doing online, but "age" is the appropriate term for obituaries. If in doubt, check the AP journalist's style book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.125.76 ( talk) 05:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} Please change "aged" to "age", per above discussion and corresponding discussion at Wikiproject Templates. Intelligent sium 00:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the relation of this template to the confusingly similarly worded, but much less used, Template:Death-date and age? I'm not confident enough about these templates to propose a merge myself, but don't like the fact they're worded so similarly without explanation of their relation. Dsp13 ( talk) 16:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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hi sorry to bother you but the place where john george adair is interred is at lea church in killenard co.laoise ireland and his wife is interred in ashes at the church she built for him
Tomkav24 (
talk)
23:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Moved to Talk:P. D. Eastman Avic enna sis @ 03:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Is there any way to have this template work for inputting both month and years for birth/death dates? Thanks Connormah ( talk | contribs) 01:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Would there be any objection to adding a parameter to give exact ages in years and days? E.g.
{{death date and age|exact=y|2002|1|3|1889|1|22}}
would give:
Error: Need valid death date (first date): year, month, day
Already coded in the sandbox and it seems to work fine. This would be useful for people who are notable for their age (e.g. Antonio Todde). PC78 ( talk) 16:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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She did not pass away, she's currently in critical condition. AOL reported it and also on Fox News, but webpages have not been corrected yet.
74.129.144.42 ( talk) 19:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I have come up with an idea for a possible new template dealing with lifespans. I would like to present the Death date and approximate age template. That would address people with lifespans that consist of an exact date of death and a year of birth without a month or day available or known. An example of what I'm talking about concerns the lifespan of Giuliano de' Medici (1453–1478), who was born in 1453, date unknown, and who died on April 26, 1478. I will also supply a visual of what I am thinking of below.
{{Death date and approximate age|yyyy|mm|dd|yyyy}}
Of course, death date and approximate age is, so far, merely a working title for the template, and I would be welcome to any suggestions for other names. I feel that this template is necessary for cases such as Giuliano de' Medici so that he and others with similarly described lifespans can have their own template as well. I'm not totally confident in my own abilities to program it myself, so if someone could do that, I would appreciate that. Thoughts? Backtable Speak to me concerning my deeds. 06:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
PS: Since this isn't the part of Wikipedia that I'm an expert in, am I bringing this up in an appropriate talk page or is somewhere else more ideal? Backtable Speak to me concerning my deeds. 06:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please change
span class="dday"
to span class="dday deathdate"
to take account of the parameter name used in the forthcoming extension to the vCard standard.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
11:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please change "aged" to "age". This template occurs in adjective contexts where "(age 70)" is more correct than "(aged 70)". For example, you would say, "___ died in 2010 at age 70", not "...in 2010 at aged 70", or even "...in 2010 aged 70". See also Chicago Manual of Style Section 5.220. Thank you. 67.6.163.68 ( talk) 07:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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Frank Cook exMP correct date of death is 10th January 2012, not 11th as you state, the 11th, ie today is the date the news was publicly announced, go back and check your source
217.43.250.204 ( talk) 18:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
{{
Death date and age}}
template. Problems with individual articles should be noted at the talk page specific to that article. Assuming that the article in question is
Frank Cook, its talk page is
Talk:Frank Cook. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
19:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)I notice that it always says "Aged" for somebodies age at death. Isn't it better to say age? Aged sounds like cheese. Could I be wrong? Longinus876 ( talk) 12:30, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
hi;
there seems to be a flaw in the math for calculating age @ death.
for the page David Holt (actor)
it produces this result:
David Jack Holt Born August 14, 1927 Jacksonville, Florida Died March 10, 2003 (aged 76) San Juan Capistrano, California Other names David Holt
now, he was in his 76th YEAR, when he died, BUT he died before his 76th BIRTHDAY; therefore, by standard western/international conventions he was 75 years old (plus x-days), NOT "76".
this NEEDS to be fixed, as a priorty bug; if not, the template needs to be "decomissioned" until it is. it is NOT acceptable to have (persistent, systematic) factual errors like this in the "articlespace".
i note that the last comment on this talkpage is several years old, & i'm a little bit worried that no one is going to read this in a timely manner; so if i don't get a reply in the next day or so, i'll repost elsewhere.
i thank you in advance, for your time & attention in this matter.
Lx 121 ( talk) 02:35, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
{{dda|2003|15|10|1927|8|14|mf=y}}
. the format should be yyyy|mm|dd
and mm is set to 15 which is not a valid month, so the template goes a bit wonky as there isn't much error checking in the template. --
WOSlinker (
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06:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
ok, but (aside from the question of getting this particular death date correct) the point is this: when the death-date in the infobox was SHOWING as march, the computed age was WRONG
when the data was entered in the template, the month DISPLAYED as "march". i assume that was some kind of "overflow" bug, where the month was computed as (12+3)?
but, whatever's causing it, the template is NOT USEFUL in the article-space with a glitch like that (until it gets fixed). it should NOT mis-read month-numbers like that. if the month-number is >12, it should be a "nul-value", not an "overcount". the current "behaviour" makes it harder to notice mistakes in using the template, & clearly makes it easier for such errors to slip into articles...
Lx 121 ( talk) 06:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Any reason why the (aged xx) part of this template is now appearing on a line break when used in the death date field? eg. [3] [4] Never used to do this until recently... can it be fixed? Connormah ( talk) 03:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I keep seeing this and related templates wrapped in {{ nowrap}}. If this is proper, then it should be added to the template. -- Gadget850 talk 01:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
As the original purpose of the template was to provide metadata should we not mention in the instructions to only use for the articles subject? AWB uses the template to update the Persondata template and can be fooled - For example, this edit [5] added a death date for an actress, although it was actually her son who died. Periglio ( talk) 12:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Please see this new article. Does anyone know why there is a hyphen between "aged" and "83"? I still have lots to do on the body, but I can't figure out the hyphen in the infobox. HalfGig talk 13:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Artie Shaw lived from May of 1910 to December of 2004 (94.6 years). By standard convention he was 94 years old (plus x-days), not 95 years. Why then does the template show "aged 95" in his Infobox? tahc chat 07:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I have added code to the sandbox that is intended to display an age range at death if only the year of birth is known. That should allow the birth month and day to be omitted. Here are some tests:
I think this should work, but I had to jump through a bunch of hoops. This would allow us to fix all of the templates with "0" for the birth month/day by simply deleting those values. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 14:22, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Come across some articles that have the death day missing in the template so cant be fixed, solution ? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (basketball) has an invalid date, but its complicated! The date is within the {{ Petro Atlético Basketball roster}} template, but ultimately in the {{ Player3}} template. I can see the {{ birth date}} template in the Player3 is still expecting the full 3 parameters. I mention it hoping that someone a bit more experienced will take over. Periglio ( talk) 18:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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We recently added error-checking to {{ Birth date and age}} (see this discussion for details). I propose that this popular template get the same treatment. Here are some examples of errors detected in the sandbox:
Paging Periglio, WeijiBaikeBianji, Mr. Stradivarius, Wbm1058, MilborneOne. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
is_valid_date ()
validates a single date and accounts for leap years for both the
Julian and
Gregorian calendars. There may be other date validation code out there.Category:Pages using age template with invalid date didn't stay empty for long. 752 members now, and still cooking. Hot off the grill! -- Wbm1058 ( talk) 01:06, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
{{death date and age|1891|4|14|1863|0|0}}
(death date known, only birth year known)? I see this in
Frank Bell (baseball) and other articles. I don't see a template that works for this situation, but it's been a long day, so I am probably missing something. –
Jonesey95 (
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01:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
{{death date |1891|4|14}}
April 14, 1891 –
Wbm1058 (
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02:09, 3 April 2015 (UTC){{death date and age|1907|1|31|1834|3|0}}
reports: January 31, 1907 (aged 72) invalid day{{death date |1907|1|31}}
we show just: January 31, 1907 – having removed the legitimately calculated age. Should we make the template smarter here? –
Wbm1058 (
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12:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)As this seems to be the current page for comments on the age template project, I suggest {{ Birth year and age}} as the next one to be updated. I have fixed a couple recently that were saying age (161-162). Periglio ( talk) 19:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
This template uses {{ Age in years}} to calculate the age of a person at their death if the month and day of birth are unknown. That template currently shows only a single age, which causes a potentially inaccurate age at death to be displayed. Please see Template talk:Age in years for an explanation and a proposed fix. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 04:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
The following is appearing on some pages
"Expression error: Unexpected < operator–Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".)Expression error: Unexpected > operator"
See google
-- Aronzak ( talk) 05:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
See Template talk:Death year and age § What if birth day is known but only month/year of death is known?
I've asking the protecting admin to lower the protection of {{ Death year and age}} to template-editor level, so that we can work on it. – Wbm1058 ( talk) 14:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I would like to see a consensus develop on whether this template should employ the word "age" or "aged". This question has been asked many times (in the past archives). Most of those questioning the wording advocate that it change from "aged" to "age". The response has always been "This has been discussed before" and it links to some prior discussion. The prior discussion, however, was extremely short and only involved two or three people. There was one editor who "authoritatively" stated that "aged" is correct and "age" is incorrect. And he directed to a Wiktionary link for the definition of "aged". (See here wikt:aged). That dictionary definition says "Having the age of". However, it also says, "(primarily non-US)". I am in the USA. I have never seen or heard the phrasing "aged 25". I have always seen/heard the phrasing as "age 25". I am sure many will agree with me. And, this is the English Wikipedia, of which the USA is a major part. So, how do we discuss this matter and develop a consensus one way or the other? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 05:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Currently we have...
My suggestion...
It is a simple patch which I have already done in my sandbox. First we will need a few more people to confirm that this is the correct grammar for the US style, and then a consensus to implement. To my UK ears, aged sounds right. I am offering this as a solution on my assumption that this is a UK/US difference, although I have no idea if this is the case! Periglio ( talk) 20:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Graham Ellis, who has died aged 90 [6] Ex-SAS paratrooper who was first British soldier to set foot in occupied France on D-Day has died aged 95 [7] Nubar, died on 17th November 2013, aged 85 years [8]
One of the parameters of this template alters the ordering from MONTH,DATE,YEAR to DATE,MONTH,YEAR to cater for the differences between US and UK date formats (see MOS:DATETIES). At the moment whichever date format is used the template uses "aged nn". Previous discussions have raised the question whether the term "aged" is grammatically correct.
I believe "aged" is correct for UK, but I do not know how a US version should be formatted. Just "age" has been suggested, see previous section "Age" versus "aged". I have created a revised template in my sandbox to show my proposed change, which only affects the US format.
Example UK date format: John Aspinall (zoo owner) 29 June 2000 (aged 74) Example US date format: James Dean September 30, 1955 (at age 24)
Periglio ( talk) 11:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
|df=
parameter to anything will result in DMY dates and "aged"; not setting it will result in MDY dates and "age". —
Mr. Stradivarius
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11:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)How do we discuss an alternative proposal? Someone above suggested this. We scrap the wording "age 26" or "aged 26" and simply replace it with "26 years old". Not a bad idea. Or are there implications that maybe I am not seeing? For example, what if a person is only "months old" or only "days old", and not "years old"? (In other words, if a young infant dies.) How do we consider this proposal also? It seems like a great resolution. No? It avoids the American versus British discrepancy. It "sounds" correct to everyone's ears. And it keeps all articles consistent. No? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 17:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Age at death | 26 years |
Could I remind you that the original proposal is just asking Do US-EN speakers prefer to see "aged" or "age" when they see a date of death summarised in an infobox.
Periglio ( talk) 04:55, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Support: "Aged" ("UK") is more literate than "Age" ("US"). I don't see any need to advertise this discussion to a wider audience; most people probably haven't noticed the difference. BTW, I'm U.S.-- Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
The request for comments here also affects this template. Feedback is much appreciated.-- Nevé – selbert 23:32, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi all… what are the merits of using the {{death date and age|YYYYY|MM|DD|yyyy|mm|dd|df=yes}} template? After the death of a person, the birth, and death dates are fixed, so there is no requirement for a dynamic calculation of age, and if the birth, and death categories are completed, does the {{death date and age}} template serve any purpose? Best regards. DynamoDegsy ( talk) 12:15, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Isn't that more correct if, for example, the format is (age 54 or 55) instead of (age 54–55)? -- Hddty. ( talk) 15:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure of the proper way to handle those born in BC and dying in AD. Sejanus being an example. If only in BC I believe the template should work if you use negative years. However with no year zero, you seem likely to get an off-by-one error. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 16:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
why can't I use it like the following?
{{death date and age|2012|03|13|2001|03|df=yes}} {{death date and age |1993|2|29 |1921|2|df=yes}}-- 223.104.186.116 ( talk) 13:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
{{death date and age|1993|2|29|1921|2|df=yes}}
is (simulated to avoid the ugly errors):
(aged {{age|1921|12|31|1993|2|29|}}–{{age|1921|1|1|1993|2|29|}})