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Please leave the Culture and Lore scetion alone.
The things in there all have historical significance to either the team or the NBA as a whole:
1. Ted Stepien's horrible trades led to the "Stepien Rule"
2. Joe Tait was the team's announcer form it's inception in 1970 to last year (except for a 2 year Stepien induced exile)
3. Jordan's shot is either an iconic or infamous image depending on your perspective
4. The "Miracle of Richfield" was for the longest time the most successful season in Cavs history
5. Ricky Davis shooting at his own rim for a triple-double is one of the most infamous occurances in NBA history (much less Cavs history)
6. "Cleveland Rocks" playing after a win is a long standing Cleveland tradtion for all Cleveland sports home victories for almost 30 years
7. "The Decision" and Gilbert's Open Letter go hand in hand
8. The longest single season losing streak in major American pro team sports history speaks for itself
All of these occurances have helped shaped the history franchise in one way or another, thus their inclusion as part of the culture and lore.
Vjmlhds 21:51, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
A commemorative banner was unveiled in the rafters next to Carr's retired No. 34. It reads '39 seasons Joe Tait Voice of the Cavaliers.'
Žydrūnas Ilgauskas currently serves as "special assistant" to General Manager Chris Grant, not Assistant General Manager.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/04/cleveland_cavaliers_ready_to_w.html
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7475729/zydrunas-ilgauskas-rejoins-cleveland-cavaliers-assistant-gm
Levdr1lp (
talk) 00:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Recent differences of opinion on this template have opened a broader discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 23#NBA Coaches/Franchise template about how coach tenures are displayed on NBA franchise templates like this one. At issue in this case is the addition of a second entry for Mike Brown as head coach in the list of coaches to signify his second tenure with the team. there is inconsistency for this is displayed across the 30 NBA franchise templates and the discussion at WP:NBA serves as a way to reach consensus for how this information would be displayed (or not) across the board. Please comment there to keep discussion in one place. Please do not change the coach list until consensus can be reached. Thank you. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Per consensus at WP:NBA (discussion linked in previous conversation), I have removed the head coach section. This process will be repeated with all 30 NBA franchise templates. Template:Cleveland Cavaliers coach navbox has been created with full tenures and has replaced the generic franchise template on head coach articles. Rikster2 ( talk) 22:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I do agree that there was a rivalry between Chicago and Cleveland in the past. National Basketball Association rivalries gives a detailed description of this. I want to know other's opinions about the possibility of adding this rivalry to the template. Robert4565 ( talk) 00:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. Now that I think about it, it would be best to include a more notable rivalry to the template that has it's own stand-alone article. Robert4565 ( talk) 00:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Tell me why the 2014-15 team isn't worthy of being part of the team's lore.
They were the most successful team in franchise history, the city went nuts for them, LeBron coined the term "Grit Squad" and it got national play.
The Miracle team is often said to have been able to win it all if Chones stayed healthy, well, the Grit Squad team would have done so as well if Love and Irving were healthy.
There is no article called "Miracle of Richfield", but the 75-76 squad is among the most beloved in team history (and rightly so - don't get me wrong), and considered part of the team's lore.
All I'm saying is that the 14-15 "Grit Squad" team that was within a separated shoulder and broken kneecap from sealing the deal is as much (if not more so - considering they were within an eyelash of winning the whole shebang) a part of the team's lore as the Miracle bunch.
Vjmlhds (talk) 12:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
My first impression is that LeBron James does not belong in the culture/lore section, at least not yet. While he is clearly the team's highest-profile & most-talented player, he is still a current player. I have no doubt that a James link will one day find its way into this template (e.g., as a Hall of Fame inductee, retired number, etc.), but it's a premature addition at this point. His importance is already well documented in both the Cavs franchise and history articles, both of which are already in this template. Levdr1lp / talk 04:43, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Levdr1lp keeps changing the wikilink for Ted Stepien to Ted Stepien#NBA owner. There's no reason to change the wikilink there, especially when the article as a whole already discusses Stepien's ownership of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 22:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Levdr1lp. Like I've said before, all I'm trying to do is change the target link so the full wikilink for Ted Stepien is displayed in the template. YOU are the one who is blocking progress. YOU are the one who is votestacking. Who decided the consensus here? Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 16:18, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Be careful about assigning nicknames for events from the 2016 Finals. This is still a recent event, so saying something "is known (has been dubbed) as" isn't totally true, at least yet (see WP:RECENT). Yes, there have been some references to the various things like "the block" and "the shot" and even "the miracle", but very few and certainly nothing to indicate an established nickname like "The Drive" and "Red Right 88". Obviously that's likely to change, but Wikipedia needs to reflect now, not a nickname that "might" catch on or has been mentioned once. "MiraCLE at the "OraCLE" is a stretch at this point, based on what I could find. In searching for that phrase, nothing came up besides the CBSLocal source you used, and that references does not emphasize "CLE" on "Oracle". It's OK to mention that "some have referred to it as..." in 2016 NBA Finals#Game 7, but I think adding it on the "lore" section is a bit too much at this point and the current wording in the 2016 Finals section suggests some kind of overall consensus that doesn't appear to exist. If I'm missing additional sources, please point me in the right direction.
Also, if Game 7 does end up having an established nickname, then the lore section should point to that specific section, not the 2016 Finals article in general, similar to the issue with Ted Stepien. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 04:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Levdr1lp If the consensus is to pipe the wikilink in order to display the established nickname for a game; then I would definitely support that. I will support whatever the consensus is. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 23:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
As stated, the Cavs don't have a president, but do have a CEO (essentially the same thing) in Len Komorowski, and here's the verification.
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Please leave the Culture and Lore scetion alone.
The things in there all have historical significance to either the team or the NBA as a whole:
1. Ted Stepien's horrible trades led to the "Stepien Rule"
2. Joe Tait was the team's announcer form it's inception in 1970 to last year (except for a 2 year Stepien induced exile)
3. Jordan's shot is either an iconic or infamous image depending on your perspective
4. The "Miracle of Richfield" was for the longest time the most successful season in Cavs history
5. Ricky Davis shooting at his own rim for a triple-double is one of the most infamous occurances in NBA history (much less Cavs history)
6. "Cleveland Rocks" playing after a win is a long standing Cleveland tradtion for all Cleveland sports home victories for almost 30 years
7. "The Decision" and Gilbert's Open Letter go hand in hand
8. The longest single season losing streak in major American pro team sports history speaks for itself
All of these occurances have helped shaped the history franchise in one way or another, thus their inclusion as part of the culture and lore.
Vjmlhds 21:51, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
A commemorative banner was unveiled in the rafters next to Carr's retired No. 34. It reads '39 seasons Joe Tait Voice of the Cavaliers.'
Žydrūnas Ilgauskas currently serves as "special assistant" to General Manager Chris Grant, not Assistant General Manager.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/04/cleveland_cavaliers_ready_to_w.html
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7475729/zydrunas-ilgauskas-rejoins-cleveland-cavaliers-assistant-gm
Levdr1lp (
talk) 00:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Recent differences of opinion on this template have opened a broader discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 23#NBA Coaches/Franchise template about how coach tenures are displayed on NBA franchise templates like this one. At issue in this case is the addition of a second entry for Mike Brown as head coach in the list of coaches to signify his second tenure with the team. there is inconsistency for this is displayed across the 30 NBA franchise templates and the discussion at WP:NBA serves as a way to reach consensus for how this information would be displayed (or not) across the board. Please comment there to keep discussion in one place. Please do not change the coach list until consensus can be reached. Thank you. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Per consensus at WP:NBA (discussion linked in previous conversation), I have removed the head coach section. This process will be repeated with all 30 NBA franchise templates. Template:Cleveland Cavaliers coach navbox has been created with full tenures and has replaced the generic franchise template on head coach articles. Rikster2 ( talk) 22:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I do agree that there was a rivalry between Chicago and Cleveland in the past. National Basketball Association rivalries gives a detailed description of this. I want to know other's opinions about the possibility of adding this rivalry to the template. Robert4565 ( talk) 00:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. Now that I think about it, it would be best to include a more notable rivalry to the template that has it's own stand-alone article. Robert4565 ( talk) 00:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Tell me why the 2014-15 team isn't worthy of being part of the team's lore.
They were the most successful team in franchise history, the city went nuts for them, LeBron coined the term "Grit Squad" and it got national play.
The Miracle team is often said to have been able to win it all if Chones stayed healthy, well, the Grit Squad team would have done so as well if Love and Irving were healthy.
There is no article called "Miracle of Richfield", but the 75-76 squad is among the most beloved in team history (and rightly so - don't get me wrong), and considered part of the team's lore.
All I'm saying is that the 14-15 "Grit Squad" team that was within a separated shoulder and broken kneecap from sealing the deal is as much (if not more so - considering they were within an eyelash of winning the whole shebang) a part of the team's lore as the Miracle bunch.
Vjmlhds (talk) 12:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
My first impression is that LeBron James does not belong in the culture/lore section, at least not yet. While he is clearly the team's highest-profile & most-talented player, he is still a current player. I have no doubt that a James link will one day find its way into this template (e.g., as a Hall of Fame inductee, retired number, etc.), but it's a premature addition at this point. His importance is already well documented in both the Cavs franchise and history articles, both of which are already in this template. Levdr1lp / talk 04:43, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Levdr1lp keeps changing the wikilink for Ted Stepien to Ted Stepien#NBA owner. There's no reason to change the wikilink there, especially when the article as a whole already discusses Stepien's ownership of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 22:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Levdr1lp. Like I've said before, all I'm trying to do is change the target link so the full wikilink for Ted Stepien is displayed in the template. YOU are the one who is blocking progress. YOU are the one who is votestacking. Who decided the consensus here? Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 16:18, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Be careful about assigning nicknames for events from the 2016 Finals. This is still a recent event, so saying something "is known (has been dubbed) as" isn't totally true, at least yet (see WP:RECENT). Yes, there have been some references to the various things like "the block" and "the shot" and even "the miracle", but very few and certainly nothing to indicate an established nickname like "The Drive" and "Red Right 88". Obviously that's likely to change, but Wikipedia needs to reflect now, not a nickname that "might" catch on or has been mentioned once. "MiraCLE at the "OraCLE" is a stretch at this point, based on what I could find. In searching for that phrase, nothing came up besides the CBSLocal source you used, and that references does not emphasize "CLE" on "Oracle". It's OK to mention that "some have referred to it as..." in 2016 NBA Finals#Game 7, but I think adding it on the "lore" section is a bit too much at this point and the current wording in the 2016 Finals section suggests some kind of overall consensus that doesn't appear to exist. If I'm missing additional sources, please point me in the right direction.
Also, if Game 7 does end up having an established nickname, then the lore section should point to that specific section, not the 2016 Finals article in general, similar to the issue with Ted Stepien. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 04:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Levdr1lp If the consensus is to pipe the wikilink in order to display the established nickname for a game; then I would definitely support that. I will support whatever the consensus is. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 23:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
As stated, the Cavs don't have a president, but do have a CEO (essentially the same thing) in Len Komorowski, and here's the verification.