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Argentina has 225 confirmed cases.
Source: https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/2020/03/22/confirmaron-67-nuevos-casos-de-coronavirus-en-la-argentina-y-el-total-de-infectados-asciende-a-225/ 190.245.94.183 ( talk) 02:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Honduras has now 26 cases instead of 24. https://covid19honduras.org/?q=dos-nuevos-casos-en-cortes-news Allancalderini12 ( talk) 03:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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+27 new cases in Poland, +2 more deaths (total of 563/7) [1] [2] Natanieluz ( talk) 12:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Please update
San Marino confirmed cases count to 175 (151+20+4), according to latest official report:
http://www.iss.sm/on-line/home/aggiornamenti-coronavirus/articolo49014149.html 😷
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Someone recently added notes to the Crown dependencies of Jersey and Guernsey stating "Not recognised as independent. (NAME) is a Crown dependency of the United Kingdom.". This is unnecessary as readers can simply read about those locations on their respective pages. If we do agree to keep those notes, we should add similar notes to Hong Kong and Macao: "Not recognised as independent. (NAME) is a special administrative region of China.". JMonkey2006 ( talk) 08:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Another another column is a really big deal as it makes this way wider. Were is the discussion and consensus? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 04:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
In case anyone needs me to explain the reason that this column is useful: per 10 million capita deaths gives people an idea of both the risk of mortality and the prevalence of the problem in each country, and allows a comparison between different countries. It is also a better measure of the prevalence of the disease than the number of confirmed cases, because the testing of non-serious cases varies widely between countries depending on their testing regimes, while the number of deaths is closer to proportionality with the actual number of both diagnosed and undiagnosed cases. A per 10 million capita confirmed cases might also be helpful, but if we are only going to allow one per capita column, per 10 million capita deaths is the best for comparison of both mortality and prevalence of infection across countries with very different populations, testing regimes and health systems. Mr G ( talk) 10:01, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
So grateful for this chart, thank you. But not sure where the "Consensus" on an extra column is coming from and I agree that a per capita mortality rate column would be an important and useful addition. Otherwise, how can we know, for example, how the UK is 'doing' compared with The Netherlands, the US compared with Canada, etc. Infections and deaths must be running at a much higher rate per capita in The Netherlands than in the UK, for example, but that isn't clear. Yet nobody is saying the Brits are doing a better job - perhaps they should be feeling better about what they have or haven't done! To add another column, the first column could be reduced in size (especially by calling one country St Vincent and the Gs). Jamaistroptard 10:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC) Wikischpedia
We could use these maps.
The main culprits in adding width are the headers. Maybe use icons with a tooltip, acronyms or vertical text. Per capita numbers (for both cases and death) is a better indicator of the situation on the ground. These two additional columns are really worth it. Also values for the world row should be filled. Doub ( talk) 15:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I saw that User:Koavf recently removed the scrollbars [7] out of WP:ACCESSIBLE concerns. However, the WP:ACCESSIBLE page simply states that "Wikipedia articles should be accessible to readers using browsers and devices that have limited or no support for JavaScript or Cascading Style Sheets". Browsers that don't support CSS would simply display the full table. Additionally there is a toggle button where people can disable the scrollbars if they don't want them. The scrollbars were also tested to work on the mobile site and app. There is also an accessibility cost to showing a very large table all at once. Anyways, i don't think the rationale behind WP:ACCESSIBLE applies here, and I don't think that the scrollbars in practice introduce any accessibility issues for anyone. I'd like to suggest the scroll bars be added back in. Bawolff ( talk) 22:24, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
So it says "When such features are used, take care that the content will still be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS [8], and to the 45% (and climbing) of Wikipedia readers who use the mobile version of the site,[o] which has a limited set of features. Mobile ability to access the content in question is easy to test with the "Mobile view" link at the bottom of each page.[p]" Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Koavf describe how this harms accessibility and we can work to address that. I would argue that it improves accessibility. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:43, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Note, from googling, the internet seems to say, scrollable things are ok, as long as they have tabindex=0 (so they are focusable and scrollable with keyboard) and label-aria. Which User:Volker E. (WMF) (indirectly via editrequest) got added to the template. Edit: The tabindex doesn't work due to MW banning that attribute ( phab:T247910). However firefox still considers it a focusable element, so its all ok in firefox at least. Bawolff ( talk) 23:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
First of all, can I request that we don't go back-and-forth editing the CSS in and out while this is under discussion, please? It would be helpful if we can see the template with scroll bars just for the purposes of checking whether we are creating accessibility problems by adding them.
The way I would usually tackle accessibility concerns is to try to simulate the experience of a possible disadvantaged user:
That leads me to suggest that there probably isn't any class of disadvantaged user that those scroll bars cause problems for. I'm coming round to the view that our guidance at
MOS:SCROLL is being taken rather too mechanically at
Help:Scrolling list. MOS:SCROLL requires us to "take care that the content will still be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS, and to the 45% (and climbing) of Wikipedia readers who use the mobile version of the site"
. It looks to me like the template developers have done their due diligence in this case, and I believe that we don't need to invoke IAR to show that this template is a reasonable exception to the general injunction not to use scrolling lists in article space. Of course, that's just my opinion, and someone may yet find a group of users that I hadn't considered, who are disadvantaged by the scroll bars, so perhaps we should keep the issue under review for a while, and await any reports of readers finding problems with the template before coming to a final decision. Cheers --
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23:54, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Here is some research by Jakob Nielsen:
And the W3C:
I think that these are best practices we should follow. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Can I add recoveries data from John Hopkins University ( https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) for countries such as Netherlands, etc? Dede2008 ( talk) 02:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
In Kyrgyzstan 14 cases confirmed I am resident of Kyrgyzstan please update — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabir hussain72 ( talk • contribs) 12:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxtail286 ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.26 ( talk) 20:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I have understood that - de facto - the figures presented for Netherlands are an aggregate for the Kingdom of the Netherlands, consisting of the a) country of the Netherlands, b) Aruba, c) Curaçao, and d) Sint Maarten. Since, however, the sole name Netherlands is ambiguous, I plead for at least adding - and keeping added - as a note that Netherlands as mentioned in the table is to be understood the whole kingdom consisting of the four countries each with their own responsible authority. I think this is essential for a good understanding of the nature of the figures. This is a matter of both geography (one country lies in Europe, one in the southeastern Caribbean, two in the northeastern Caribbean) and politics (since it concerns the political division of one kingdom into four countries). Notes to this end have been added and removed several times. Why and by whom they have been removed, I cannot seem to retrace in the edit history, either because the rate of edits is rather high or because no comment was added from which I succeeded to understand that it concerned a change with respect to Netherlands. Those who like to have such a note removed, please provide arguments. Redav ( talk) 14:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Honduras has now 26 cases instead of 24. https://covid19honduras.org/?q=dos-nuevos-casos-en-cortes-news Allancalderini12 ( talk) 03:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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+27 new cases in Poland, +2 more deaths (total of 563/7) [1] [2] Natanieluz ( talk) 12:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Please update
San Marino confirmed cases count to 175 (151+20+4), according to latest official report:
http://www.iss.sm/on-line/home/aggiornamenti-coronavirus/articolo49014149.html 😷
garyCZEk
📢
✍ {🧒👧👦🚲💻🚗🍣}
14:04, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Someone recently added notes to the Crown dependencies of Jersey and Guernsey stating "Not recognised as independent. (NAME) is a Crown dependency of the United Kingdom.". This is unnecessary as readers can simply read about those locations on their respective pages. If we do agree to keep those notes, we should add similar notes to Hong Kong and Macao: "Not recognised as independent. (NAME) is a special administrative region of China.". JMonkey2006 ( talk) 08:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Another another column is a really big deal as it makes this way wider. Were is the discussion and consensus? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 04:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
In case anyone needs me to explain the reason that this column is useful: per 10 million capita deaths gives people an idea of both the risk of mortality and the prevalence of the problem in each country, and allows a comparison between different countries. It is also a better measure of the prevalence of the disease than the number of confirmed cases, because the testing of non-serious cases varies widely between countries depending on their testing regimes, while the number of deaths is closer to proportionality with the actual number of both diagnosed and undiagnosed cases. A per 10 million capita confirmed cases might also be helpful, but if we are only going to allow one per capita column, per 10 million capita deaths is the best for comparison of both mortality and prevalence of infection across countries with very different populations, testing regimes and health systems. Mr G ( talk) 10:01, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
So grateful for this chart, thank you. But not sure where the "Consensus" on an extra column is coming from and I agree that a per capita mortality rate column would be an important and useful addition. Otherwise, how can we know, for example, how the UK is 'doing' compared with The Netherlands, the US compared with Canada, etc. Infections and deaths must be running at a much higher rate per capita in The Netherlands than in the UK, for example, but that isn't clear. Yet nobody is saying the Brits are doing a better job - perhaps they should be feeling better about what they have or haven't done! To add another column, the first column could be reduced in size (especially by calling one country St Vincent and the Gs). Jamaistroptard 10:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC) Wikischpedia
We could use these maps.
The main culprits in adding width are the headers. Maybe use icons with a tooltip, acronyms or vertical text. Per capita numbers (for both cases and death) is a better indicator of the situation on the ground. These two additional columns are really worth it. Also values for the world row should be filled. Doub ( talk) 15:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I saw that User:Koavf recently removed the scrollbars [7] out of WP:ACCESSIBLE concerns. However, the WP:ACCESSIBLE page simply states that "Wikipedia articles should be accessible to readers using browsers and devices that have limited or no support for JavaScript or Cascading Style Sheets". Browsers that don't support CSS would simply display the full table. Additionally there is a toggle button where people can disable the scrollbars if they don't want them. The scrollbars were also tested to work on the mobile site and app. There is also an accessibility cost to showing a very large table all at once. Anyways, i don't think the rationale behind WP:ACCESSIBLE applies here, and I don't think that the scrollbars in practice introduce any accessibility issues for anyone. I'd like to suggest the scroll bars be added back in. Bawolff ( talk) 22:24, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
So it says "When such features are used, take care that the content will still be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS [8], and to the 45% (and climbing) of Wikipedia readers who use the mobile version of the site,[o] which has a limited set of features. Mobile ability to access the content in question is easy to test with the "Mobile view" link at the bottom of each page.[p]" Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
User:Koavf describe how this harms accessibility and we can work to address that. I would argue that it improves accessibility. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:43, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Note, from googling, the internet seems to say, scrollable things are ok, as long as they have tabindex=0 (so they are focusable and scrollable with keyboard) and label-aria. Which User:Volker E. (WMF) (indirectly via editrequest) got added to the template. Edit: The tabindex doesn't work due to MW banning that attribute ( phab:T247910). However firefox still considers it a focusable element, so its all ok in firefox at least. Bawolff ( talk) 23:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
First of all, can I request that we don't go back-and-forth editing the CSS in and out while this is under discussion, please? It would be helpful if we can see the template with scroll bars just for the purposes of checking whether we are creating accessibility problems by adding them.
The way I would usually tackle accessibility concerns is to try to simulate the experience of a possible disadvantaged user:
That leads me to suggest that there probably isn't any class of disadvantaged user that those scroll bars cause problems for. I'm coming round to the view that our guidance at
MOS:SCROLL is being taken rather too mechanically at
Help:Scrolling list. MOS:SCROLL requires us to "take care that the content will still be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS, and to the 45% (and climbing) of Wikipedia readers who use the mobile version of the site"
. It looks to me like the template developers have done their due diligence in this case, and I believe that we don't need to invoke IAR to show that this template is a reasonable exception to the general injunction not to use scrolling lists in article space. Of course, that's just my opinion, and someone may yet find a group of users that I hadn't considered, who are disadvantaged by the scroll bars, so perhaps we should keep the issue under review for a while, and await any reports of readers finding problems with the template before coming to a final decision. Cheers --
RexxS (
talk)
23:54, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Here is some research by Jakob Nielsen:
And the W3C:
I think that these are best practices we should follow. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Can I add recoveries data from John Hopkins University ( https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) for countries such as Netherlands, etc? Dede2008 ( talk) 02:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
In Kyrgyzstan 14 cases confirmed I am resident of Kyrgyzstan please update — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabir hussain72 ( talk • contribs) 12:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxtail286 ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.70.152.26 ( talk) 20:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I have understood that - de facto - the figures presented for Netherlands are an aggregate for the Kingdom of the Netherlands, consisting of the a) country of the Netherlands, b) Aruba, c) Curaçao, and d) Sint Maarten. Since, however, the sole name Netherlands is ambiguous, I plead for at least adding - and keeping added - as a note that Netherlands as mentioned in the table is to be understood the whole kingdom consisting of the four countries each with their own responsible authority. I think this is essential for a good understanding of the nature of the figures. This is a matter of both geography (one country lies in Europe, one in the southeastern Caribbean, two in the northeastern Caribbean) and politics (since it concerns the political division of one kingdom into four countries). Notes to this end have been added and removed several times. Why and by whom they have been removed, I cannot seem to retrace in the edit history, either because the rate of edits is rather high or because no comment was added from which I succeeded to understand that it concerned a change with respect to Netherlands. Those who like to have such a note removed, please provide arguments. Redav ( talk) 14:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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