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Even though Kalmyk is of Mongolian orgin, they should not be counted as East Asia since Kalmykia is a republic of Russian Federation. Kalmyk only refers to these Mongolian from Kalmykia. 203.218.22.133 16:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the source proving my point:
Or are you seriously claiming that Mongolia is NOT in the "Far East"? Note that the examples listed are by no means exhaustive. The countries not explicitly mentioned are summarized under "Other Asian". Your other explanations are Original Research without sources. Even then, Mongolia was never part of the Soviet Union, and geographically it belongs to East Asia. -- Latebird 20:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that you have more than two editors involved in this debate. With that, its relative complexity and the need for sensitivity toward national identification, I recommend RFC as a more suitable avenue. 3O is only for two-editor disputes. I'd be willing to offer my assessment for what it's worth, but I think you need more of a consensual assessment, which RFC can provide. Adrian M. H. 16:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Should the template include only nationalities (i.e., groups linked to specific, sovereign nation-states), or also include ethnic groups such as Mien and Hmong, which do not have specific countries, and which may be associated with more than one country? -- Ishu 18:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
They very much exist, Dark T. Why didn't you just Google it? Anyway, here's what I found: "Since the 1960s, thousands of Nepalis from the Himalayan kingdom have made central Ohio their home. The Nepali community has grown dramatically within the last decade, further adding to the multicultural nature of Columbus. Whether as civil servants, educators, small business owners, doctors or musicians, Nepali-Americans continue to actively participate in civic activities in Columbus." [1] I removed the Newah link b/c they're just one of Nepal's ethnic groups, the 6th largest, actually. SamEV 08:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Greyanomaly, the Ancestry heading in the sources only indicates that Afghanistan is in the South Asian region, as the ancestry codes are grouped geographically; it has nothing to do with race. If you scroll down in the first document you cited (the info in the second document you cited is contained in the first) you'll see a heading of "Race", wherein you'll find the entry "Afghanistani" under "White". SamEV ( talk) 18:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The official race coding from the Census Bureau. You can see that Afghans are classified as white. SamEV ( talk) 07:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Why doesn't this template include people who are Middle East, Southwest Asian, Central Asian descents? 71.105.242.242 ( talk) 05:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The US gov't doesn't consider them Asian, that's why. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 09:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have changed the image away from the Flag of the United States to a map created by user MissMJ for use by the WikiProject. Discussion regarding the creation of the map can be found here. It maybe placed in the archive, which can be found here. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 07:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I have made a reversion of a good faith series of major changes to the template that included Russian Americans, Middle Eastern Americans, Arab Americans, & Jewish Americans. These ethnicities do not fall under the scope of who are Asian Americans, per the Asian American article which uses the definition used by the United States Census Bureau (which can be read here and further reiterated on page 3 of this document). Before additional changes occur per WP:BRD, a discussion and consensus should be reached before the scope of this template is changed.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 16:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I made the initial change, because I was confused as to why the Middle East (Jewish, Arab, Iranian, Turkish, etc) was excluded since they are geographically and historically Asian. This time, I added an addendum clarifying that these groups aren't considered as such by the US Census Bureau, if that is ok.-- User:evildoer876 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.98.23 ( talk) 17:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
It was not until 1951 that Kalmyks began to come to New Jersey. Earlier, they had been rejected under the Asian Exclusion Acts (repealed in 1943) and immigration quotas based on race (repealed in 1965). They found an ally in the United States Attorney General who argued that since Kalmykia is in European Russia, the Kalmyks are Europeans not Asians, going so far as to insist that they are "Caucasians"—which is silly, but so is racism.
Originally refused entry into the United States because of Asian Exclusion laws, the Kalmyks were reclassified as Caucasians.
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I see the Middle East has been discussed here but what about Central Asia, Northern Asia and what is now called Southwest Asia? It seems like this definition only includes East Asia. It's an enormous continent and there is a valid argument that it should contain other Asian ethnicities. Liz Read! Talk! 22:11, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Any idea why Afghan Americans, Armenian Americans, Azerbaijani Americans, Iranian Americans, Iraqi Americans, Israeli Americans, Kazakh Americans, Palestinian Americans, Russian Americans and Turkish Americans are missing from the template? I won't be adding them because I've no idea which geographical section each should be in. And there's also List of Lebanese Americans, I couldn't find anything but the list about them. 85.76.80.171 ( talk) 09:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
This template's initial visibility currently defaults to autocollapse
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The current template has many issues. Apart from the disputed inclusion of
Central Asias and
Caucasusians there are also micro-errors and micro-ommissions. Several
Chinese ethnicities and the
Tamil people are excluded in the sections for
Malaysian American and
Singaporean Americans despite the existence of
Malaysian Chinese and
Malaysian Indians and
Singaporean Chinese and
Singaporean Indians and the
Tamil language being official in
Singapore and also
Mandarin Chinese.
Punjabi Mexican Americans should be group together with
Asian Hispanic and Latino Americans and while the several miltiracial ethnicities should also be together.
Taiwanese Americans should also include other Chinese ethnicities.
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@ Thenabster126: due to the United States Census Bureau definition of Asian Americans, which is already noted using Template:smallsup, there are many nationalities and ethnicities that come from the continent of Asia but who are not categorized or defined as Asian American. Please stop introducing factual errors to this template, as you have on February 19th, February 22nd, and on 29 January.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( Moo) 01:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Since Asian Americans can follow any religion, not only a religion which originated in Asia, and since the respective articles are not specifically about Asian Americans, I deleted the list "Religions". Feel free to revert and / or to discuss. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Even though Kalmyk is of Mongolian orgin, they should not be counted as East Asia since Kalmykia is a republic of Russian Federation. Kalmyk only refers to these Mongolian from Kalmykia. 203.218.22.133 16:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the source proving my point:
Or are you seriously claiming that Mongolia is NOT in the "Far East"? Note that the examples listed are by no means exhaustive. The countries not explicitly mentioned are summarized under "Other Asian". Your other explanations are Original Research without sources. Even then, Mongolia was never part of the Soviet Union, and geographically it belongs to East Asia. -- Latebird 20:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that you have more than two editors involved in this debate. With that, its relative complexity and the need for sensitivity toward national identification, I recommend RFC as a more suitable avenue. 3O is only for two-editor disputes. I'd be willing to offer my assessment for what it's worth, but I think you need more of a consensual assessment, which RFC can provide. Adrian M. H. 16:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Should the template include only nationalities (i.e., groups linked to specific, sovereign nation-states), or also include ethnic groups such as Mien and Hmong, which do not have specific countries, and which may be associated with more than one country? -- Ishu 18:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
They very much exist, Dark T. Why didn't you just Google it? Anyway, here's what I found: "Since the 1960s, thousands of Nepalis from the Himalayan kingdom have made central Ohio their home. The Nepali community has grown dramatically within the last decade, further adding to the multicultural nature of Columbus. Whether as civil servants, educators, small business owners, doctors or musicians, Nepali-Americans continue to actively participate in civic activities in Columbus." [1] I removed the Newah link b/c they're just one of Nepal's ethnic groups, the 6th largest, actually. SamEV 08:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Greyanomaly, the Ancestry heading in the sources only indicates that Afghanistan is in the South Asian region, as the ancestry codes are grouped geographically; it has nothing to do with race. If you scroll down in the first document you cited (the info in the second document you cited is contained in the first) you'll see a heading of "Race", wherein you'll find the entry "Afghanistani" under "White". SamEV ( talk) 18:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The official race coding from the Census Bureau. You can see that Afghans are classified as white. SamEV ( talk) 07:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Why doesn't this template include people who are Middle East, Southwest Asian, Central Asian descents? 71.105.242.242 ( talk) 05:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The US gov't doesn't consider them Asian, that's why. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 09:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have changed the image away from the Flag of the United States to a map created by user MissMJ for use by the WikiProject. Discussion regarding the creation of the map can be found here. It maybe placed in the archive, which can be found here. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 07:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I have made a reversion of a good faith series of major changes to the template that included Russian Americans, Middle Eastern Americans, Arab Americans, & Jewish Americans. These ethnicities do not fall under the scope of who are Asian Americans, per the Asian American article which uses the definition used by the United States Census Bureau (which can be read here and further reiterated on page 3 of this document). Before additional changes occur per WP:BRD, a discussion and consensus should be reached before the scope of this template is changed.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 16:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I made the initial change, because I was confused as to why the Middle East (Jewish, Arab, Iranian, Turkish, etc) was excluded since they are geographically and historically Asian. This time, I added an addendum clarifying that these groups aren't considered as such by the US Census Bureau, if that is ok.-- User:evildoer876 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.98.23 ( talk) 17:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
It was not until 1951 that Kalmyks began to come to New Jersey. Earlier, they had been rejected under the Asian Exclusion Acts (repealed in 1943) and immigration quotas based on race (repealed in 1965). They found an ally in the United States Attorney General who argued that since Kalmykia is in European Russia, the Kalmyks are Europeans not Asians, going so far as to insist that they are "Caucasians"—which is silly, but so is racism.
Originally refused entry into the United States because of Asian Exclusion laws, the Kalmyks were reclassified as Caucasians.
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help)I don't think you can compare the case for Bill Clinton being classified as African American to the original peoples of the Middle East (ethnic Jews, Iranians, Arabs, Turks, and Israelis) being classified as Asian. The former is based on a remark by a single individual, whereas the latter is based on geography and historically falling under the scope of the Orient. But if we're using the US Census Bureau definition, then it's apt. 69.248.98.23 ( talk) 15:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I see the Middle East has been discussed here but what about Central Asia, Northern Asia and what is now called Southwest Asia? It seems like this definition only includes East Asia. It's an enormous continent and there is a valid argument that it should contain other Asian ethnicities. Liz Read! Talk! 22:11, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Any idea why Afghan Americans, Armenian Americans, Azerbaijani Americans, Iranian Americans, Iraqi Americans, Israeli Americans, Kazakh Americans, Palestinian Americans, Russian Americans and Turkish Americans are missing from the template? I won't be adding them because I've no idea which geographical section each should be in. And there's also List of Lebanese Americans, I couldn't find anything but the list about them. 85.76.80.171 ( talk) 09:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
This template's initial visibility currently defaults to autocollapse
, meaning that if there is another collapsible item on the page (a
navbox, sidebar, or
table with the collapsible attribute), it is hidden apart from its title bar; if not, it is fully visible.
To change this template's initial visibility, the |state=
parameter may be used:
{{Asian Americans|state=collapsed}}
will show the template collapsed, i.e. hidden apart from its title bar.{{Asian Americans|state=expanded}}
will show the template expanded, i.e. fully visible.Category:Asian American templates
The current template has many issues. Apart from the disputed inclusion of
Central Asias and
Caucasusians there are also micro-errors and micro-ommissions. Several
Chinese ethnicities and the
Tamil people are excluded in the sections for
Malaysian American and
Singaporean Americans despite the existence of
Malaysian Chinese and
Malaysian Indians and
Singaporean Chinese and
Singaporean Indians and the
Tamil language being official in
Singapore and also
Mandarin Chinese.
Punjabi Mexican Americans should be group together with
Asian Hispanic and Latino Americans and while the several miltiracial ethnicities should also be together.
Taiwanese Americans should also include other Chinese ethnicities.
Shhhhwwww!! (
talk) 21:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Thenabster126: due to the United States Census Bureau definition of Asian Americans, which is already noted using Template:smallsup, there are many nationalities and ethnicities that come from the continent of Asia but who are not categorized or defined as Asian American. Please stop introducing factual errors to this template, as you have on February 19th, February 22nd, and on 29 January.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( Moo) 01:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Since Asian Americans can follow any religion, not only a religion which originated in Asia, and since the respective articles are not specifically about Asian Americans, I deleted the list "Religions". Feel free to revert and / or to discuss. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)