The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
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The result was: promoted by
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 06:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
... that in The Gamblers, Shostakovich (pictured) tried to set every word from
Gogol's play as an opera, successfully for one act, but
Krzysztof Meyer completed decades later? Source: several
5x expanded by
Gerda Arendt (
talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC).
Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. The hook fact is verifiable but the wording is awkward. In particular, setting "words as an opera", is a weird turn of phrase. Words are set to music within an opera, not set as an opera. Might I suggest something like this:
Alt1... that in his opera The Gamblers, Shostakovich (pictured) attempted to set
Gogol's play to music without altering the dialogue? I'll leave it to you to craft another alt hook which maintains more of the content of the original suggestion.
4meter4 (
talk) 02:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
The idea is good, but is there a way to not loose that he had to give up, and someone else completed? I'd rather say that alone, but the loooong dialogue is the reason, so makes sense to mention. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 06:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
How is this (after a talk with a native speaker):
ALT0a: ... that in The Gamblers, Shostakovich (pictured) tried to set
Gogol's play word for word but gave up after one act, and
Krzysztof Meyer completed the opera decades later?
ALT0b: ... that before completing the first act,
Shostakovich(pictured) dropped his plan to set
Gogol's play word for word, and
Krzysztof Meyer completed the opera after his death?
I just found the CD booklet, and can perhaps add a bit to the article. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Excellent hooks! Both ALT0a and ALT0b are approved for length and the hook fact is verified to the cited sources. The article itself is new enough, long enough, and within policy. I will leave it to the promoting admin to determine which of the two hooks they like best.
4meter4 (
talk) 13:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Grimes2 Not sure how I missed that. Thanks for catching my mistake. Hook ALT0c is good in terms of length, supported by the ref, and linking to the article.
4meter4 (
talk) 16:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
I replaced "completing" by "finishing", reading again, and seeing that we had two completions in one sentence. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:42, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 06:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
... that in The Gamblers, Shostakovich (pictured) tried to set every word from
Gogol's play as an opera, successfully for one act, but
Krzysztof Meyer completed decades later? Source: several
5x expanded by
Gerda Arendt (
talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC).
Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. The hook fact is verifiable but the wording is awkward. In particular, setting "words as an opera", is a weird turn of phrase. Words are set to music within an opera, not set as an opera. Might I suggest something like this:
Alt1... that in his opera The Gamblers, Shostakovich (pictured) attempted to set
Gogol's play to music without altering the dialogue? I'll leave it to you to craft another alt hook which maintains more of the content of the original suggestion.
4meter4 (
talk) 02:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
The idea is good, but is there a way to not loose that he had to give up, and someone else completed? I'd rather say that alone, but the loooong dialogue is the reason, so makes sense to mention. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 06:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
How is this (after a talk with a native speaker):
ALT0a: ... that in The Gamblers, Shostakovich (pictured) tried to set
Gogol's play word for word but gave up after one act, and
Krzysztof Meyer completed the opera decades later?
ALT0b: ... that before completing the first act,
Shostakovich(pictured) dropped his plan to set
Gogol's play word for word, and
Krzysztof Meyer completed the opera after his death?
I just found the CD booklet, and can perhaps add a bit to the article. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Excellent hooks! Both ALT0a and ALT0b are approved for length and the hook fact is verified to the cited sources. The article itself is new enough, long enough, and within policy. I will leave it to the promoting admin to determine which of the two hooks they like best.
4meter4 (
talk) 13:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Grimes2 Not sure how I missed that. Thanks for catching my mistake. Hook ALT0c is good in terms of length, supported by the ref, and linking to the article.
4meter4 (
talk) 16:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
I replaced "completing" by "finishing", reading again, and seeing that we had two completions in one sentence. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:42, 30 April 2021 (UTC)