The following is an archived discussion of Lulua Mosque's DYK nomination. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page; such as this archived nomination"s
(talk) page, the nominated article's
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The result was: promoted by
BlueMoonset (
talk) 02:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC).
... that the Lulua Mosque(pictured) in
Cairo built in 1015–16 AD during the reign of the third
Caliphal-Hakim, which partially collapsed in 1919, was refurbished in 1998 by the
Dawoodi Bohras?
This article is not new enough. Neither is is expanded enough.
Proudbolsahye (
talk) 22:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
We do commonly allow a little slop in the submission time. However, technically, the expansion should have been from 751 to 3755 readable prose size. It's
currently 3374 B readable prose size, 381 chars or >75 words short. --
Lexein (
talk) 10:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the above clarification, which I was also about to make. I will add the required text shortly.--Nvvchar. 10:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I have now added almost 1000 ch to the article's prose with an additional reference sourced from
MIT.--Nvvchar. 11:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
. Expansion is now OK, hook is supported, length ok. Hook might be more interesting with a mention (5 words?) of who the Dawoodi Bohra are - "a community of Indian Muslims"(?). Article citations could use a bit of work. Named refs are good, but aren't as useful when the page# differs at each subsequent citation. I changed that last named ref usage to a shortened style ref to indicate the exact page (129), and linked to that on Google books. Can you fix a few others? --
Lexein (
talk) 15:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the review and fixing the reference to the hook. I have added additional text as suggested and to keep the length to 200 ch, I am suggesting this hook for ALT1.... that the Mosque(pictured) in
Cairo built in 1015–16 during third
Caliphal-Hakim's reign, which partially collapsed in 1919, was restored in 1998 by the
Bohras, a community of
Indian Muslims?--Nvvchar. 14:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
ALT2 is all good, length ok, ready to go but DAB is needed. I trimmed out "third", put back "Lulua" & "Dawoodi", and linked to
Islam in India. --
Lexein (
talk) 17:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
DAB piped. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 01:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - the last problem is source conflict:
Lulua Mosque and the first and ALT1 hooks say "third Caliph al-Hakim", and so does the cited source, but
Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah says "sixth Caliph". How is this to be resolved? I think this is worth resolving before DYK goes out... --
Lexein (
talk) 02:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The piped wl points to the correct bio. I've made the correction on that article,
Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah article and included a RS. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 03:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
MIT says 3rd, this says 6th
[1], these say no number:
[2],
[3]. Gotta go for now.--
Lexein (
talk) 04:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The conflict between sources is still of concern to me. I have the sense that the article should acknowledge that his order (3rd or 6th) is a matter of some dispute among historians. Another reviewer should weigh in here. --
Lexein (
talk) 10:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Call for new reviewer to weigh in on what to do with source fact discrepancy in the article. I have struck original and ALT1 hooks, both of which specifically listed "third Caliph", which is contradicted by at least one source.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 00:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Question: Is the fact that it was possibly the third caliph of the utmost importance for it to stay in the article and in the hook? Otherwise, aside from defining what a "
manzara" is, this is good to go. I'd go with a hook that links this to the Muslims in India. –HTD 05:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I have left a foot note in the article as suggested by
User:Lexein. ALT 2 Hook is fine with us as it refers to Muslims of India. With regard to the meaning of the word "
manzara", as provided in the article
Megalithic Temples of Malta, it is an Arabic word meaning 'a place with commanding views'.--Nvvchar. 02:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I've added the definition to the article, and ref'd, tidied, and sourced, the source conflict note. My concerns are now addressed. Slightly reworded ALT3 good to go. --
Lexein (
talk) 04:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Lexien, Thank you.--Nvvchar. 07:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
The following is an archived discussion of Lulua Mosque's DYK nomination. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page; such as this archived nomination"s
(talk) page, the nominated article's
(talk) page, or the Did you know(talk) page. Unless there is consensus to re-open the archived discussion here. No further edits should be made to this page.See the talk page guidelines for
(more) information.
The result was: promoted by
BlueMoonset (
talk) 02:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC).
... that the Lulua Mosque(pictured) in
Cairo built in 1015–16 AD during the reign of the third
Caliphal-Hakim, which partially collapsed in 1919, was refurbished in 1998 by the
Dawoodi Bohras?
This article is not new enough. Neither is is expanded enough.
Proudbolsahye (
talk) 22:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
We do commonly allow a little slop in the submission time. However, technically, the expansion should have been from 751 to 3755 readable prose size. It's
currently 3374 B readable prose size, 381 chars or >75 words short. --
Lexein (
talk) 10:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the above clarification, which I was also about to make. I will add the required text shortly.--Nvvchar. 10:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I have now added almost 1000 ch to the article's prose with an additional reference sourced from
MIT.--Nvvchar. 11:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
. Expansion is now OK, hook is supported, length ok. Hook might be more interesting with a mention (5 words?) of who the Dawoodi Bohra are - "a community of Indian Muslims"(?). Article citations could use a bit of work. Named refs are good, but aren't as useful when the page# differs at each subsequent citation. I changed that last named ref usage to a shortened style ref to indicate the exact page (129), and linked to that on Google books. Can you fix a few others? --
Lexein (
talk) 15:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the review and fixing the reference to the hook. I have added additional text as suggested and to keep the length to 200 ch, I am suggesting this hook for ALT1.... that the Mosque(pictured) in
Cairo built in 1015–16 during third
Caliphal-Hakim's reign, which partially collapsed in 1919, was restored in 1998 by the
Bohras, a community of
Indian Muslims?--Nvvchar. 14:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
ALT2 is all good, length ok, ready to go but DAB is needed. I trimmed out "third", put back "Lulua" & "Dawoodi", and linked to
Islam in India. --
Lexein (
talk) 17:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
DAB piped. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 01:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - the last problem is source conflict:
Lulua Mosque and the first and ALT1 hooks say "third Caliph al-Hakim", and so does the cited source, but
Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah says "sixth Caliph". How is this to be resolved? I think this is worth resolving before DYK goes out... --
Lexein (
talk) 02:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The piped wl points to the correct bio. I've made the correction on that article,
Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah article and included a RS. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 03:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
MIT says 3rd, this says 6th
[1], these say no number:
[2],
[3]. Gotta go for now.--
Lexein (
talk) 04:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The conflict between sources is still of concern to me. I have the sense that the article should acknowledge that his order (3rd or 6th) is a matter of some dispute among historians. Another reviewer should weigh in here. --
Lexein (
talk) 10:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Call for new reviewer to weigh in on what to do with source fact discrepancy in the article. I have struck original and ALT1 hooks, both of which specifically listed "third Caliph", which is contradicted by at least one source.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 00:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Question: Is the fact that it was possibly the third caliph of the utmost importance for it to stay in the article and in the hook? Otherwise, aside from defining what a "
manzara" is, this is good to go. I'd go with a hook that links this to the Muslims in India. –HTD 05:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I have left a foot note in the article as suggested by
User:Lexein. ALT 2 Hook is fine with us as it refers to Muslims of India. With regard to the meaning of the word "
manzara", as provided in the article
Megalithic Temples of Malta, it is an Arabic word meaning 'a place with commanding views'.--Nvvchar. 02:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I've added the definition to the article, and ref'd, tidied, and sourced, the source conflict note. My concerns are now addressed. Slightly reworded ALT3 good to go. --
Lexein (
talk) 04:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Lexien, Thank you.--Nvvchar. 07:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)