The result was: rejected, closed by
Kusma
talk 09:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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5x expanded by OlifanofmrTennant ( talk). Self-nominated at 20:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kirby: King of Comics; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
I have pulled this nom from prep, as it fails to include a summary of the book's contents and thus fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. It also contains at least two errors, one which says Evanier "obtained" artworks from Kirby "while working for him" - he only obtained access, and not apparently while working for him, and another which says the book was met with "positive" reviews when in fact it was panned by The Guardian critic. The article clearly needs more work before it can be featured, if it should be featured at all given the apparent errors. Gatoclass ( talk) 09:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
I took a look at this. The summary is extremely short, to the point of remaining woefully incomplete. Still fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Time to pass on this as the nominator just isn't accepting what they are being told. 4meter4 ( talk) 13:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Nominator has not made any movement on this since the above discussion. It's time to close this for failing WP:DYKCOMPLETE. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
I took a re-look and I think the summary is now sufficiently in-depth to pass WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I would have preferred a paragraph structure with smoother prose, but that is no reason to hold up a DYK review. All other DYK criteria check out. However, portions of both the Alt1 and Alt2 hook facts are not currently in the article. The quote "nowhere near finished" is not in the article, and there is no mention of a friendship between Evanier and Kirby. For this reason, only the original hook can be promoted. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed. I'm not seeing any more close paraphrasing, but I'd like a second set of eyes on this just to make sure I didn't miss anything. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Launchballer, OlifanofmrTennant, 4meter4, and AirshipJungleman29: I'm having to reopening this, as it looks like the point made by Gatoclass above, that the hook mentions that Evanier "obtained" artworks from Kirby "while working for him" was not addressed, and that hook is not supported by the article. All I can see is "Evanier worked for Kirby and was a friend of his, giving him additional insight while writing the book", which isn't the same thing. On a more minor note, the second paragraph of the "Development" section is cited entirely to the book itself, which would be a WP:PRIMARY source. For a statement like "Kirby's family re-obtained the art following a public campaign to have them returned and legal threats from Kirby" I'd think a secondary source highly preferable. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 19:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
the issues above are still not addressed, this is the third time it's been mentioned now. The only change to the article since my issue was raised above, was to add a couple more cites, but the problem is thathte article does not say anything about him obtaining works from Kirby while working from him. Come on please, the objections need to be addressed directly. Given that this has already been marked as "rejected" twice above and issues still remain more than two months later, it may be getting close to time to archive this and move on. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
The article still has uncited paragraphs about Jack Kirby's life, with no indication that they are even from the book. This fails WP:DYKCITE. After nearly three months it is time to close this as rejected. — Kusma ( talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
The result was: rejected, closed by
Kusma
talk 09:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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5x expanded by OlifanofmrTennant ( talk). Self-nominated at 20:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kirby: King of Comics; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
I have pulled this nom from prep, as it fails to include a summary of the book's contents and thus fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. It also contains at least two errors, one which says Evanier "obtained" artworks from Kirby "while working for him" - he only obtained access, and not apparently while working for him, and another which says the book was met with "positive" reviews when in fact it was panned by The Guardian critic. The article clearly needs more work before it can be featured, if it should be featured at all given the apparent errors. Gatoclass ( talk) 09:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
I took a look at this. The summary is extremely short, to the point of remaining woefully incomplete. Still fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Time to pass on this as the nominator just isn't accepting what they are being told. 4meter4 ( talk) 13:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Nominator has not made any movement on this since the above discussion. It's time to close this for failing WP:DYKCOMPLETE. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
I took a re-look and I think the summary is now sufficiently in-depth to pass WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I would have preferred a paragraph structure with smoother prose, but that is no reason to hold up a DYK review. All other DYK criteria check out. However, portions of both the Alt1 and Alt2 hook facts are not currently in the article. The quote "nowhere near finished" is not in the article, and there is no mention of a friendship between Evanier and Kirby. For this reason, only the original hook can be promoted. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed. I'm not seeing any more close paraphrasing, but I'd like a second set of eyes on this just to make sure I didn't miss anything. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Launchballer, OlifanofmrTennant, 4meter4, and AirshipJungleman29: I'm having to reopening this, as it looks like the point made by Gatoclass above, that the hook mentions that Evanier "obtained" artworks from Kirby "while working for him" was not addressed, and that hook is not supported by the article. All I can see is "Evanier worked for Kirby and was a friend of his, giving him additional insight while writing the book", which isn't the same thing. On a more minor note, the second paragraph of the "Development" section is cited entirely to the book itself, which would be a WP:PRIMARY source. For a statement like "Kirby's family re-obtained the art following a public campaign to have them returned and legal threats from Kirby" I'd think a secondary source highly preferable. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 19:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
the issues above are still not addressed, this is the third time it's been mentioned now. The only change to the article since my issue was raised above, was to add a couple more cites, but the problem is thathte article does not say anything about him obtaining works from Kirby while working from him. Come on please, the objections need to be addressed directly. Given that this has already been marked as "rejected" twice above and issues still remain more than two months later, it may be getting close to time to archive this and move on. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
The article still has uncited paragraphs about Jack Kirby's life, with no indication that they are even from the book. This fails WP:DYKCITE. After nearly three months it is time to close this as rejected. — Kusma ( talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)