The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
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ALT1: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been the conversation starter for
neuroscience panel discussions at universities such as
Harvard? Source:
ALT2: ... that the documentary film I Am Human "chronicles how neurotechnology could restore sight, retrain the body, and treat diseases—then make us all more than human"? Source: See the subtitle of
this WIRED article
ALT3: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been praised for its "fundamentally optimistic" nature with relation to "neuroscience and brain medicine"? Source: "We’re in a dark moment for the tech industry: a time when some new technologies have been adopted recklessly and backfired terribly, and others have developed far more slowly than their creators hoped. Against the backdrop of this pessimism, a film like I Am Human — a fundamentally optimistic documentary about neuroscience and brain medicine — feels surprisingly refreshing."
The Verge
ALT4: ... that the documentary film I Am Human asks the existential question "what makes us human"? Source: "By the end, though, the film's central question is more of an existential one: What makes us human?"
WIRED
Other problems: - ALTs 2 through 4 are a bit too involved with the content of the film itself. Not technically barred by
WP:DYKFICTION, but may affect neutrality
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Preference is for ALT1, though I'd use "such as" —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 16:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Crisco 1492: Thank you for the review. I have copyedited ALT1 per your suggestion as that is a good idea/better grammar. I respectfully disagree with relation to the length, though. I just added up the characters of the quotes and count only around 517 characters out of an article the DYKcheck tool says is over 2600 characters in length. Given that the DYK criterion for length is
only 1500 characters, taking all of the quotes away would still leave us with around 2000-2100 characters in length, more than enough to qualify. The production section has no quotes, the premise has 2 but ultimately equating to a sentence, release has no quotes, and it is almost impossible to have a "critical reception" section without any quotes since that section is about what critics have written; take for example
Shake It Off#Critical reception or
Hackney Diamonds#Critical reception etc. --
TheSandDoctorTalk 18:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
The critical reception section is fine. However, the third paragraph of #Premise is 60% quotations. The lengthy quotation in the lede could also be paraphrased to better present the premise; that would help improve neutrality as well. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 19:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, this looks better. Thank you! —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 16:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Are there secondary sources to support ALT1?
Rjjiii (
talk) 18:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
@
Rjjiii: I would think that a statement from Harvard advertising the panel, including info on who is speaking (including Harvard Medical School faculty), and another from another university (Case Western Reserve University) stating the same would be sufficient to back up the plural for "universities" and, more narrowly, justify the mention of Harvard. In Case Western's case, the
eventbrite they link for the event does explicitly detail that it was hosted by the university's School of Medicine. --
TheSandDoctorTalk 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
I didn't think a non-primary source would be necessary, given that this is non-contentious and descriptive statement of facts (per
WP:PRIMARY) that comes not from the filmmakers but the institution. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 21:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT1: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been the conversation starter for
neuroscience panel discussions at universities such as
Harvard? Source:
ALT2: ... that the documentary film I Am Human "chronicles how neurotechnology could restore sight, retrain the body, and treat diseases—then make us all more than human"? Source: See the subtitle of
this WIRED article
ALT3: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been praised for its "fundamentally optimistic" nature with relation to "neuroscience and brain medicine"? Source: "We’re in a dark moment for the tech industry: a time when some new technologies have been adopted recklessly and backfired terribly, and others have developed far more slowly than their creators hoped. Against the backdrop of this pessimism, a film like I Am Human — a fundamentally optimistic documentary about neuroscience and brain medicine — feels surprisingly refreshing."
The Verge
ALT4: ... that the documentary film I Am Human asks the existential question "what makes us human"? Source: "By the end, though, the film's central question is more of an existential one: What makes us human?"
WIRED
Other problems: - ALTs 2 through 4 are a bit too involved with the content of the film itself. Not technically barred by
WP:DYKFICTION, but may affect neutrality
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Preference is for ALT1, though I'd use "such as" —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 16:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
@
Crisco 1492: Thank you for the review. I have copyedited ALT1 per your suggestion as that is a good idea/better grammar. I respectfully disagree with relation to the length, though. I just added up the characters of the quotes and count only around 517 characters out of an article the DYKcheck tool says is over 2600 characters in length. Given that the DYK criterion for length is
only 1500 characters, taking all of the quotes away would still leave us with around 2000-2100 characters in length, more than enough to qualify. The production section has no quotes, the premise has 2 but ultimately equating to a sentence, release has no quotes, and it is almost impossible to have a "critical reception" section without any quotes since that section is about what critics have written; take for example
Shake It Off#Critical reception or
Hackney Diamonds#Critical reception etc. --
TheSandDoctorTalk 18:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
The critical reception section is fine. However, the third paragraph of #Premise is 60% quotations. The lengthy quotation in the lede could also be paraphrased to better present the premise; that would help improve neutrality as well. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 19:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, this looks better. Thank you! —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 16:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Are there secondary sources to support ALT1?
Rjjiii (
talk) 18:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
@
Rjjiii: I would think that a statement from Harvard advertising the panel, including info on who is speaking (including Harvard Medical School faculty), and another from another university (Case Western Reserve University) stating the same would be sufficient to back up the plural for "universities" and, more narrowly, justify the mention of Harvard. In Case Western's case, the
eventbrite they link for the event does explicitly detail that it was hosted by the university's School of Medicine. --
TheSandDoctorTalk 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
I didn't think a non-primary source would be necessary, given that this is non-contentious and descriptive statement of facts (per
WP:PRIMARY) that comes not from the filmmakers but the institution. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk) 21:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)