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Improved to Good Article status by Seraphim System ( talk). Self-nominated at 09:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC).
...that archaeologists believe burial practices at the Alepotrypa Cave may have been the origin of the the later mythological tradition of Hades) is clear that it is speculation and it is directly supported by at least three inline citations in the article. I don't see any justification to strike a hook that is supported by multiple, independent secondary sources. Seraphim System ( talk) 04:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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Yoninah: Am I allowed to review ALT3, or should another user do it?
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archaeologists believe ... may- is there some way I could make this clearer? The hook doesn't say it is confirmed, but the way it is written is correct. When you say
looking at the article again it only implicitly makes this connection,do you mean our article, or the WP:RS article? - I am happy to add Tainaron back into the hook if that would make it better. It is a hook - it's not supposed to be a detailed explanation. Tainaron was believed to be the entrance to Hades, and the archaeologists who worked at the excavation believe that Alepotrypa, which is an earlier burial site, may have predated that and served as the inspiration for it. Is the problem the hook itself or the fact that it is not stated explicitly in the article? Seraphim System ( talk) 12:10, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the Alepotrypa vave may have become associated with Tainaron by the classical era?Seraphim System ( talk) 12:26, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the Alepotrypa cave may have become associated with Tainaron by the classical era?- this is sourced and basically verbatim in an article that passed GA after a thorough and careful review. It really looks like this is WP:JDL based on Yoninah's personal opinion of the archaeologists theory about Tainaron and not what the WP:RS actually say about it. Seraphim System ( talk) 18:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
...archaeologists working on the excavation believe it is possible that the cultural memory of the burial site at Alepotrypa had become associated with Tainaron by the Classical period.
and the proposed hook is
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the Alepotrypa cave may have become associated with Tainaron by the classical era?.
The reason you are giving for striking it is I think the connection between Alepotrypa→Tainaron→Hades is tenuous at best
- how is that anything other than
WP:JDL based on a personal disagreement with the widely reported opinion of the expert archaeologists who worked on the excavation. I'm new here but I thought this review was based on whether there was an error in the hook or whether the hook is clearly stated and has an inline cite in the article. I don't think you agreeing with the
WP:RS is a requirement, and it looks like the second reviewer misread the hook since his objection was I thought it was the other way around, that it is the cave and not Tainaron that was a cultural memory?
- I think
User:Yoninah since he has a strong non-neutral opinion about the content of the hook based on a personal disagreement with the archeologists theory should perhaps take his own advice and step back, and allow a second reviewer to continue the review process.
Seraphim System (
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Yes, the hook is verified by the source, but no, it is not hooky.- I kind of agree with this but I don't think ALT1 is "hooky" either. The best hook will have some mention of Hades - I only changed it to Tainaron because reviewers seem to be unwilling to let through a hook unless it is verbatim in the article, and I don't want to make the writing in the article less clear over a hook. I would prefer to link to Hades as well because they are the same thing and it is more "hooky" - the full sentence in the article is:
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the burial site at Alepotrypa cave may have become associated with Hades by the classical era?.
Seraphim System ( talk) 19:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 05:11, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
DYK toolbox |
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Improved to Good Article status by Seraphim System ( talk). Self-nominated at 09:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC).
...that archaeologists believe burial practices at the Alepotrypa Cave may have been the origin of the the later mythological tradition of Hades) is clear that it is speculation and it is directly supported by at least three inline citations in the article. I don't see any justification to strike a hook that is supported by multiple, independent secondary sources. Seraphim System ( talk) 04:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
@
Yoninah: Am I allowed to review ALT3, or should another user do it?
Narutolovehinata5
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archaeologists believe ... may- is there some way I could make this clearer? The hook doesn't say it is confirmed, but the way it is written is correct. When you say
looking at the article again it only implicitly makes this connection,do you mean our article, or the WP:RS article? - I am happy to add Tainaron back into the hook if that would make it better. It is a hook - it's not supposed to be a detailed explanation. Tainaron was believed to be the entrance to Hades, and the archaeologists who worked at the excavation believe that Alepotrypa, which is an earlier burial site, may have predated that and served as the inspiration for it. Is the problem the hook itself or the fact that it is not stated explicitly in the article? Seraphim System ( talk) 12:10, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the Alepotrypa vave may have become associated with Tainaron by the classical era?Seraphim System ( talk) 12:26, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the Alepotrypa cave may have become associated with Tainaron by the classical era?- this is sourced and basically verbatim in an article that passed GA after a thorough and careful review. It really looks like this is WP:JDL based on Yoninah's personal opinion of the archaeologists theory about Tainaron and not what the WP:RS actually say about it. Seraphim System ( talk) 18:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
...archaeologists working on the excavation believe it is possible that the cultural memory of the burial site at Alepotrypa had become associated with Tainaron by the Classical period.
and the proposed hook is
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the Alepotrypa cave may have become associated with Tainaron by the classical era?.
The reason you are giving for striking it is I think the connection between Alepotrypa→Tainaron→Hades is tenuous at best
- how is that anything other than
WP:JDL based on a personal disagreement with the widely reported opinion of the expert archaeologists who worked on the excavation. I'm new here but I thought this review was based on whether there was an error in the hook or whether the hook is clearly stated and has an inline cite in the article. I don't think you agreeing with the
WP:RS is a requirement, and it looks like the second reviewer misread the hook since his objection was I thought it was the other way around, that it is the cave and not Tainaron that was a cultural memory?
- I think
User:Yoninah since he has a strong non-neutral opinion about the content of the hook based on a personal disagreement with the archeologists theory should perhaps take his own advice and step back, and allow a second reviewer to continue the review process.
Seraphim System (
talk) 18:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the hook is verified by the source, but no, it is not hooky.- I kind of agree with this but I don't think ALT1 is "hooky" either. The best hook will have some mention of Hades - I only changed it to Tainaron because reviewers seem to be unwilling to let through a hook unless it is verbatim in the article, and I don't want to make the writing in the article less clear over a hook. I would prefer to link to Hades as well because they are the same thing and it is more "hooky" - the full sentence in the article is:
archelogists believe that the cultural memory of the burial site at Alepotrypa cave may have become associated with Hades by the classical era?.
Seraphim System ( talk) 19:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)