The contents of the Az-Zakariyya page were merged into Zekharia on 12 November 2023. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
While this article is still under "merge"-vote: please don´t informally "merge" it by coping lots of stuff directly from other articles: very messy. Lets wait. Huldra ( talk) 22:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
User:Huldra, I noticed where you removed a large chunk of the "old history" of the former Arab village (see: ), which is fine with me, but then either you or someone else turned around and added more information related strictly to the "old history" of the Arab village, which you allowed to stay, such as this:
I strongly object to adding this in the Israeli moshav, Zekharia, and suggest that you put the information in the former Arab village, Az-Zakariyya, where it rightfully belongs. If, both, old and new history belongs in these articles, then we should be at liberty to add the new history in the article Az-Zakariyya. I think that you will agree here that it's better to keep these histories separate, except only when briefly mentioning them. Davidbena ( talk) 19:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
See historical consensus at talk:Az-Zakariyya#Merge. Personally I am often supportive of combining Palestinian-village/Israeli town articles when the core locations are the same and there is some element of continuity. I don’t know enough about this situation to take a clear view yet. But if we did merge there would need to be a clear explanation in the lede that the entire population was expelled in 1950 and replaced with newcomers. Onceinawhile ( talk) 23:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
References
Khalidi, 1992, p. 226
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).I have added a POV tag following an editor's removal of text from the lede explaining that this moshav was built on the ruins of a depopulated Palestinian village. The exclusion of this information makes the page non-neutral. Onceinawhile ( talk) 21:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
For the record, I now realize that this same information has now been removed five times from the lede by the same editor: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. The revert tool was not used on any one of the five occasions, such that no notifications were given. Onceinawhile ( talk) 23:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Please comment on the proposed merger of
Az-Zakariyya into this article. The following excellent research paper provides useful context: Tsahor, Dan (2019).
"Postwar Nakba: A Microhistory of the Depopulation of Zakariyya, 1950". Journal of Palestine Studies. 49 (1 (193)). Taylor & Francis, Ltd.: 47–63.
ISSN
0377-919X.
JSTOR
26873258. But unlike other, similar settlements that were built over the ruins of erased Palestinian localities, Moshav Zekharia seems to have maintained the original layout of the former Palestinian village. While most post-1948 Jewish settlements were constructed on land leveled by bulldozers, the residential buildings of Moshav Zekharia stand on uneven terrain. The settlement's roads follow paths that had earlier served the residents of Zakariyya, and some of the old limestone houses, and even the village mosque, remain standing in the center of the moshav, surrounded by hazard signs that warn passersby of a possible collapse... On 17 May 1950, the military transferred fifteen families, comprising 65 people, to the town of Ramla, while the rest of the community, some 130 people, were taken to a location near the Jordanian border. On the day of the eviction, soldiers went to every house in the village calling all residents to gather in the center of Zakariyya... To hasten the process, soldiers shot in the air several times... The "evacuation" of Zakariyya was a historic turning point, not only for the evacuees but also in terms of the material landscape they left behind. Two weeks after the village was emptied, the Jewish Agency brought in families of Jewish-Kurdish veterans from the Iraqi army. The new residents first settled in a tent encampment near the village school before moving into eighty new stone-built houses inside the boundaries of the former Palestinian village and among its remaining old buildings.
Note there was historical consensus against a merge at talk:Az-Zakariyya#Merge. I support a merge, as there is historical continuity in location and layout, despite the wholesale replacement of the population. Onceinawhile ( talk) 19:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
”But unlike other, similar settlements that were built over the ruins of erased Palestinian localities…”An example of these completely leveled / bulldozed villages is Al-Mansura, Acre. Onceinawhile ( talk) 22:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||
|
The contents of the Az-Zakariyya page were merged into Zekharia on 12 November 2023. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
While this article is still under "merge"-vote: please don´t informally "merge" it by coping lots of stuff directly from other articles: very messy. Lets wait. Huldra ( talk) 22:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
User:Huldra, I noticed where you removed a large chunk of the "old history" of the former Arab village (see: ), which is fine with me, but then either you or someone else turned around and added more information related strictly to the "old history" of the Arab village, which you allowed to stay, such as this:
I strongly object to adding this in the Israeli moshav, Zekharia, and suggest that you put the information in the former Arab village, Az-Zakariyya, where it rightfully belongs. If, both, old and new history belongs in these articles, then we should be at liberty to add the new history in the article Az-Zakariyya. I think that you will agree here that it's better to keep these histories separate, except only when briefly mentioning them. Davidbena ( talk) 19:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
See historical consensus at talk:Az-Zakariyya#Merge. Personally I am often supportive of combining Palestinian-village/Israeli town articles when the core locations are the same and there is some element of continuity. I don’t know enough about this situation to take a clear view yet. But if we did merge there would need to be a clear explanation in the lede that the entire population was expelled in 1950 and replaced with newcomers. Onceinawhile ( talk) 23:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
References
Khalidi, 1992, p. 226
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).I have added a POV tag following an editor's removal of text from the lede explaining that this moshav was built on the ruins of a depopulated Palestinian village. The exclusion of this information makes the page non-neutral. Onceinawhile ( talk) 21:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
For the record, I now realize that this same information has now been removed five times from the lede by the same editor: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. The revert tool was not used on any one of the five occasions, such that no notifications were given. Onceinawhile ( talk) 23:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Please comment on the proposed merger of
Az-Zakariyya into this article. The following excellent research paper provides useful context: Tsahor, Dan (2019).
"Postwar Nakba: A Microhistory of the Depopulation of Zakariyya, 1950". Journal of Palestine Studies. 49 (1 (193)). Taylor & Francis, Ltd.: 47–63.
ISSN
0377-919X.
JSTOR
26873258. But unlike other, similar settlements that were built over the ruins of erased Palestinian localities, Moshav Zekharia seems to have maintained the original layout of the former Palestinian village. While most post-1948 Jewish settlements were constructed on land leveled by bulldozers, the residential buildings of Moshav Zekharia stand on uneven terrain. The settlement's roads follow paths that had earlier served the residents of Zakariyya, and some of the old limestone houses, and even the village mosque, remain standing in the center of the moshav, surrounded by hazard signs that warn passersby of a possible collapse... On 17 May 1950, the military transferred fifteen families, comprising 65 people, to the town of Ramla, while the rest of the community, some 130 people, were taken to a location near the Jordanian border. On the day of the eviction, soldiers went to every house in the village calling all residents to gather in the center of Zakariyya... To hasten the process, soldiers shot in the air several times... The "evacuation" of Zakariyya was a historic turning point, not only for the evacuees but also in terms of the material landscape they left behind. Two weeks after the village was emptied, the Jewish Agency brought in families of Jewish-Kurdish veterans from the Iraqi army. The new residents first settled in a tent encampment near the village school before moving into eighty new stone-built houses inside the boundaries of the former Palestinian village and among its remaining old buildings.
Note there was historical consensus against a merge at talk:Az-Zakariyya#Merge. I support a merge, as there is historical continuity in location and layout, despite the wholesale replacement of the population. Onceinawhile ( talk) 19:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
”But unlike other, similar settlements that were built over the ruins of erased Palestinian localities…”An example of these completely leveled / bulldozed villages is Al-Mansura, Acre. Onceinawhile ( talk) 22:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)