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I suggested to undo this page move as per simplification of double consonants outlined at Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian. -- Irpen 01:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "Zaporizhzhya"? In the US it's known just like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.7.254 ( talk) 09:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Ten years later. Can we finally move this page to its proper place (Zaporizhzhia)? JonStryker ( talk) 18:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Today, many pages applies to Zaporizhia, but most of this articles haven't Category:Zaporizhia. So, if you have time, please look all of these articles and add [[Category:Zaporizhia]]. -- Movses ( talk) 11:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
On the Francophone page on locks it is mentioned that the locks in this town have the record of highest vertical difference of water level taken in one step ('chute') Is this true? (The 3 Gorges Dam do 114 m with 5 locks) If yes, shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere? -- Bancki ( talk) 08:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
This statement is wrong :"Vyshnevetsky's fortifications served as a prototype for later Zaporizhian Siches" . Vyshnevetsky never knew about "Siches", so the fortress could not serve as prototype.
Few paragraphs below there is mumbling about "Capital" of Sich. This is absolutely wrong. SIch was paramilitary camp, stronghold and other similar definitions, nothing more
Khortytsia Island never been among of the historic locations of the Zaporizhian Sich . NEVER! -- Zas2000 ( talk) 18:48, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Taivo, I would like to emphasize that Khortytsya is the prototype for somebody, but not for others. Removing the word "consider" completely changes the meaning of the modern understanding of the situation. There was about 70 km upstream of the river similar fortress called Kodak., by the way also built Vishnevetsiky Because you are English native speaker it would easy for you to find the right expression for this.-- Zas2000 ( talk) 00:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
French engineer Guillaume Le Vasseur de Beauplan in 1635 year. -- Zas2000 ( talk) 04:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Cossacs business
The Cossacks business was to rob anyone who has something valuable and sell prisoners to the slavery to Crimea, Ottoman Empire and others country of Middle East. Actually, they were like sea pirates.
Where were Siches The position of the Vishnevsky Sich have been chosen practically very wrong. The island was tiny. There were no more than hundred cossacs in Veshnevetsky fortress. All others real Siches were 100 km downstream the river, near modern Nikopol' city. They were settled next to Nikitin ford across the Dnieper. The Milky Way (Chumatsky shliakh) passed through here. Cossacks controlled the trade rout from Europe to the Crimea and the Ottoman Empire here. Crimean Tatars have made sudden invasions of Rech Pospolita here. All Siches were based on small island among many others . High reed, grass, broad width of Dnieper protected Siches.
What could be common between Vishnevetskii Sich and other ones? Not much, maybe it was just described above business. Vishnevetsky Sich has been existed only for 3-4 years. For this short time it could not be founded traditions, habits and so on. The opinion that Veshnevetsky Sich is protoSich is comimg from a historian Grushevitsky. If you open another book, IP Saveliev, "Ancient History of the Cossacks," you'll see that the founder of the Zaporozhye Sech is Hetman Lanskoronsky. He was active in 1512, long before Veshnivetsky. In Lanskoronsky time cossacks built small forts before rapids.
This is shortly about could we consider the Veshnivetsky Sich as ProtoSich-- Zas2000 ( talk) 04:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Please can we go through the disputed parts sentence by sentence here - and explain our disagreements (if any).-- Toddy1 ( talk) 06:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In 1552 Dmytro Vyshnevetsky erected wood-earth fortifications on the island of Mala Khortytsya in the Dnieper River near Khortytsya island.
Some historians believe these fortifications were a prototype of the
Zaporizhian Sich.
[1]
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
This is my summary for Siches, nothing more I can tell you. However, I would like to repeat that the situation in which scientists have different opinions on thе same issue is common -- Zas2000 ( talk) 03:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
1.Who was the true organizer of the SIch structure , what kind of military means did they have at the early days of Sich, how far their military activity was spread out ? The answer is no one knows.
2.“To protect the southern borders of Speech Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Vishnevetskii came to the idea to create a fortress with a strong garrison on one of the islands of the lower Dnieper, from where they could reflect the attacks of Muslims ( Crimea tartar and Turks) “.
3.Сossacs have not forgot the way which was found by Vishnevetskii -- Zas2000 ( talk) 03:14, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
The Sich was a stronghold of the Cossacks who lived on the border of the Rzeczpospolita and Moscow kingdom south of the rapids of the Dnieper.
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In 1789 Mennonites from Prussia accepted an invitation from Catherine II of Russia and settled in what became the Chortitza Colony, northwest of Khortytsia island.
By David G. Rempel, Cornelia Rempel Carlson, University of Toronto Press, 2002 ISBN 0-8020-3639-2, 9780802036391 -- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 01:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Mennonite-owned mills and factories were built in Alexandrovsk and later expropriated by the
Communist government.
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Khotritsa Island belonged to the Mennonites until 1914, when the island was sold to the city.
After the
Russian Revolution many Mennonites immigrated, fled as refugees, or were deported from the area. Currently few Mennonites live in Zaporizhia.
[1]
Currently few Mennonites live in Zaporizhia. [1]
Mennonite buildings still exist in the area and in the other main Mennonite colony centre, current day Molochansk. [1]
Section on City population
Ethnic structure
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Hi Taivo, would you like to have the information about Mennonites, specially about Molochansk. The story about Molochansk proper to keep at the different page exclusively related to Mennonites. --Zas2000 00:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 ( talk • contribs)
Below is a table of information on the population of the city together with sources. I suspect that for population after 2000, population.mongabay.com has just assumed the 2000 population. We could do with more information, with the source listed against each line.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 14:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Year | Population/Esitimated Population | |
---|---|---|
1781 | 300 | Russian Wikipedia |
1795 | 1,200 | Russian Wikipedia |
1804 | 2,500 | Russian Wikipedia |
1861 | 3,800 | Russian Wikipedia |
1870 | 4,600 | Russian Wikipedia |
1885 | 6,700 | Russian Wikipedia |
1894 | 16,100 | Russian Wikipedia |
1897 | 16,400 | Russian Wikipedia |
1899 | 21,500 | Russian Wikipedia |
1900 | 24,200 | Russian Wikipedia |
1910 | 38,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1913 | 63,600 | Russian Wikipedia |
1916 | 72,900 | Russian Wikipedia |
1917 | 58,500 | Russian Wikipedia |
1926 | 55,300 | Russian Wikipedia |
1937 | 243,100 | Russian Wikipedia |
1939 | 289,200 | Russian Wikipedia |
1942 | 103,400 | Russian Wikipedia |
1950 | 315,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1955 | 380,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1956 | 381,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1959 | 449,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1960 | 459,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1965 | 554,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1970 | 664,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1970 | 658,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1975 | 730,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1979 | 780,700 | Russian Wikipedia |
1980 | 795,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1985 | 844,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1989 | 883,900 | Russian Wikipedia |
1990 | 880,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1992 | 918,400 | Russian Wikipedia |
1995 | 879,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2000 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2001 | 815,300 | Russian Wikipedia |
2005 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2005 | 822,931 | population.mongabay.com Cities in the world with 600,000 to 1 million inhabitants in 2005 |
2010 | 777,300 | Russian Wikipedia |
2010 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2015 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1781 - 0,329 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1795 - 1,23 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1804 - 2,5 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1861 - 3,819 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1870 - 4,601 - http://www.archive.org/stream/americancyclopae01ripluoft#page/292/mode/1up 1885 - 6,707 - http://www.vehi.net/brokgauz/all/002/2004.shtml 1894 - 16,1 - http://genobooks.narod.ru/Rossia_1898/216-217.htm 1897 - 16,393 - http://www.archive.org/stream/bolshaiantsiklo00igoog#page/n381/mode/1up 1899 - 21,503 - http://books.google.com/books?id=LgNUAAAAMAAJ&q=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F+%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0%22&dq=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%25 1900 - 24,196 - http://genobooks.narod.ru/Rossia_1906/rk108-109.htm 1910 - 38 - http://books.google.com/books?id=aIJMAAAAIAAJ&q=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F%22&dq=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80 1913 - 63,6 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1916 - 72,9 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1917 - 58,517 - TV series "City Z", film "Year 1926" 1926 - 55,295 - http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/J/JIROMSKAYA_Valentina_Borisovna/Polveka_pod_grifom_%27%27sekretno%27%27.(1996).%5Bdjv%5D.zip 1937 - 243,148 - http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/J/JIROMSKAYA_Valentina_Borisovna/Polveka_pod_grifom_%27%27sekretno%27%27.(1996).%5Bdjv%5D.zip 1939 - 289,188 - http://books.google.com/books?id=yHokAAAAMAAJ&q=Aleksandrovsk+intitle:geography&dq=Aleksandrovsk+intitle:geography&lr=&hl=ru&cd=25 1942 - 103 - TV series "City Z", film "Year 1942" 1956 - 381 - http://books.google.com/books?id=aIJMAAAAIAAJ&q=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F%22&dq=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80 1959 - 449 - http://bse.sci-lib.com/article043711.html 1970 - 658 - http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=14&hl=ru&q=%5bZaporizhia+658000%5d&btnG=%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8 1979 - 780,745 - http://www.sovetika.ru/sssr/nas7904.htm 1989 - 897,6 - http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/ehm/Zaporojie/183731 1991 - 900 - http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=4&hl=ru&q=Zaporizhzhya+intitle%3A%22Atlas+of+World+Geography%22&btnG=%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8 2001 - 815,256 - http://2001.ukrcensus.gov.ua/rus/results/general/urban-rural/zaporizhya/ 2010 - 776,918 - http://www.zp.ukrstat.gov.ua/images/stories/Exp_dem_1377.pdf
-- Movses ( talk) 16:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Dear Movses, Could you give me the information, how many factories were built in Zaporoshie in the 30 th? What are their names (especially in metallurgy), when they began to run? --Zas2000 14:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 ( talk • contribs)
As a result of removal of correct information about the city is just lost? Some information is better than none at all-- zas2000 ( talk) 17:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Why do you insist on the table? The position of the graph is bad - it does not match to the laptop screen. Could you explain why need this vertical table? Why the horizontal one does not satisfy you? -- zas2000 ( talk) 16:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
-- zas2000 ( talk) 18:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Year | Population | Source | Year | Population | Source | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1781 | 329 | [2] | 1926 | 55,744 | [3] [4] | |
1795 | 1,230 | [2] | 1937 | 243,148 | [4] | |
1804 | 2,500 | [2] | 1939 | 289,188 | [3] [5] [6] | |
1824 | 1,716 | [7] | 1943 | 120,000 | [5] [8] | |
1859 | 3,100 | [7] | 1956 | 381,000 | [9] | |
1861 | 3,819 | [2] [10] | 1959 | 449,000 | [6] | |
1864 | 4,354 | [7] | 1970 | 658,000 | [11] | |
1870 | 4,601 | [12] | 1971 | 676,000 | [6] | |
1885 | 6,707 | [13] | 1979 | 781,000 | [14] | |
1894 | 16,100 | [15] | 1989 | 897,600 | [16] | |
1897 | 16,393 | [17] | 1991 | 896,600 | [18] | |
1900 | 24,196 | [19] | 2001 | 815,300 | [20] | |
1902 | 35,000 | [7] | 2010 | 776,918 | [21] | |
1910 | 38,000 | [9] | ||||
1913 | 63,600 | [2] | ||||
1915 | about 60,000 | [7] | ||||
1916 | 72,900 | [2] | ||||
1917 | 58,517 | [22] |
zas2000 - an edit you did [4] put in a sentence that does not make sense. "At the same time American specialists taught to smelt the ferroalloy production in Kryvoi Rog." Who was teaching? Who was being taught? What were they being taught to smelt?
It would also help a lot if you would say which page numbers of the book you got the information for the paragraph from.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 13:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Dear Movses, I've discussed with you the origin of this picture sometimes ago.
you will find next phrase:
"Original historic description: Hitler begrüßt Generalfeldmarschall von Manstein auf einem Feldflugplatz im Osten 1943 [freigegeben am 18.3.1943]"
"freigegeben" - means time of the picture was taken- 18 of march 1943. This is a date when Hitler arrived to Zaporozhie to meet Manstein.
WHAT DO YOU NEED ELSE?
-- zas2000 ( talk) 22:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Do next:
the information :
Saporoshje Körperschaft HQ d.Heeresgruppe Süd Ereignis Besuch Hitlers 10. März 1943 (WK II; Ostfront) Name Hitler, Adolf [Politiker 1889-1945] Beschreibung Gruppenb (im Profil in Uniformledermantel m.Mütze Manstein d.Hand gebend; Manstein m.RK; Baur 2.von rechts; Richthofen ganz rechts; im Hintergrund e.Flugzeug; Soldaten m."Hitlergruß"; Angehöriger e.Propagandakompanie = PK m.Filmkamera; Flugplatz in d.Nähe d.HQ) Technik Fotografie (m.Freigabevermerk) Künstler Hoffmann, Heinrich [Fotograf 1885-1957] Enth. Pers. Manstein, Erich von [Generalfeldmarschall 1887-1973]; Baur, Hans [Pilot, Gruppenführer, Generalleutnant 1897-1993]; Richthofen, Wolfram von [Generalfeldmarschall 1895-1945] Sigel 13; 16; 20; 21; 22; 23; 70 Bild-Nr. hoff-47262 -- zas2000 ( talk) 22:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
It does not give much confidence in the exact date the photo was taken when one archive says 10 March and another 18 March.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 05:53, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Can we please keep Soviet propaganda out of this article? Great Patriotic war is not an English term and The first Red Army tank to enter the city was commanded by Lieutenant Yatsenko; he and his crew were killed in the battle for the city; the grateful city still keeps the memory of these soldiers are no wear near encyclopaedic sentences. Yatsenko was simply unlucky but not noteworthy.
By the way: Soviet soldier are never Russian soldiers cause Russia was not an independent country during WWII, thus how could there have been Russian soldiers? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 01:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It is not propaganda. The city has the street and memorial after Yatsenko crew at present. I am wondering how you will feel to see Yantsenko tank , when only 30 % of population is survived after two years of the occupation. Your phrase Yatsenko was simply unlucky but not noteworthy is a shameless, that I have ever heard on this occasion. -- zas2000 ( talk) 03:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
My understanding is rather opposite: they were pro-Nazi rather than anti-communist.-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Some people call it as "so-called" democratic arm forces. Ask Serbians.-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Red Army was renamed as the Soviet army in 1946. -- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
You have found a formal reason for the use of the term Great Patriotic War. For me, more important the real background behind this term. Local people believe that it was Patriotic War-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
see this :
-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
To be in frame of the WIKI , the reference for the GPW is supplied in the article. -- zas2000 ( talk) 15:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Zas2000 - please can you verify my understanding concerning streets and memorials:
I have only ever been in the city at night, so I am unfamiliar with it.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 14:56, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Please could you consider writing an article on Yatsenko.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 16:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I really do not know is it necessary to give too much details) Mariupol' shliax - is the way to the Kichkas ford across Dnieper ( the place where DnieroGEs is now) -- zas2000 ( talk) 17:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
To Toddy1: "The myth that the Nazi-era German armed forces, the Wehrmacht, was not involved in war crimes persisted for decades after the war. Now two German researchers have destroyed it once and for all. Newly published conversations between German prisoners of war, secretly recorded by the Allies, reveal horrifying details of violence against civilians, rape and genocide."
This is not new. Blaming the SS was a convenient get-out for the Germans. There are plenty of accounts by Germans in the Heer of murdering prisoners and civilians.
It is also well known that millions of Soviet soldiers captured by the Germans in 1941 were deliberately allowed to die of starvation and disease as a matter of policy. The Germans also deliberately took food from captured territories causing increased mortality due to malnutrition. The German long-term plan was that Ukraine and European-Russia should be emptied of their native inhabitants by a combination of murder, starvation and deportation.
Have you read Hitler's Willing Executioners, which deals with German anti-semitism?
The Romanian Army also participated in war crimes on the Eastern front.
The Germans also committed war crimes in 1914 in Belgium - see German atrocities 1914, a history of denial by John Horne and Alan Kramer, pub Yale University Press, 2001. Interestingly this reveals that when the Germans invaded Belgium, France and Holland in 1940, the German armed forces were ordered not to commit executions of civilians as they had in Belgium in 1914 and Poland in 1939. Instead of executing civilian combatants (as they were entitled to under the laws of war), in 1940 in the invasion of Belgium, France and Holland the Germans gave such people POW status! They did not do this in Eastern European countries - indeed Volume IV of Germany and the Second World War justifies the execution of captured Soviet civilians who took up arms against the Germans.
It is worth noting that the NKVD also undertook mass murder of Russian and Ukrainian civilians. There was a huge wave of mass executions of political prisoners in 1941. But there were other mass-executions later; for example, when the Red Army recaptured Kharkov the first time, the NKVD executed about 4,000 inhabitants of the city - these included any girls who had been out with German soldiers.
The higher command of the Red Army also had to make strenuous efforts to stop the murder of Germans captured by the Red Army - the problem was that the hate-propaganda inflamed people against the Germans. Calling German solders Nazis was part of this hate propaganda. The higher command of the Red Army argued in November 1941 that creating conditions where German soldiers fought to the death was not in the interests of the Red Army. Nevertheless about 95% of Germans captured by the Red Army in 1941 were murdered.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 17:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
-- zas2000 ( talk) 18:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
von Manstein's book only mentions the big Dnieper railway bridge. He does not mention a second railway bridge. You have added a claim that the Germans "demolished two railway bridges again". We need a citation for the claim that the Germans demolished a second railway bridge.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 12:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
There are two bridges in the city, which connect right and left banks of the river (at present time - three, built in 1970). Connections comes through the island Khortitsia across Old and New Dnieper streams. Third bridge makes connection to the left bank through the island as well. -- zas2000 ( talk) 14:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Makhno is nothing compare to her.-- zas2000 ( talk) 16:25, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
It has good reference to Archibald Malcolm "Atamansha: the Story of Maria Nikiforova, the Anarchist Joan of Arc." — Dublin: Black Cat Press, 2007. — ISBN 9780973782707 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
In chapter "Alexanderovsk and Guliaj Pole" there is an episode about the fight at Kichkass bridge -- zas2000 ( talk) 11:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I mean city Bryansk, the Bryansk joint-stock company probably originally from this city-- zas2000 ( talk) 11:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I have a question - in a morning when you wake up, are you looking the references (your ID) that you are You?. There is obvious information that city is on the left bank of the river, very few Dnieper or Volga cities are on the right bank. Because you like Chekhov's "Man in a Case" need some regulations ( references) I remind you one of the important rule of WIKI: WIKI is not a store of references. Do we need to add a references bounded (from dictionaries) to the each word used in the text? -- zas2000 ( talk) 12:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy: unreferenced material may be removed, so please provide references.
For people who might be interested: I just created a Wikipedia article about the city's mayor Oleksandr Sin. Feel free to contribute to it. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the info; I should get to know more celebrity's :-) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The history of the city on the page is not specially long, though it may well grow longer.
If you want to put the history in a separate article, you need put a proper summary with citations in its place. (This will of course be work.) Just deleting a random selection of sections is not OK.
I suspect that the best thing to do would be to wait and develop the history section further. If you want to then make a summary and propose to move the current contents to a history page, please propose this on the talk page.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 11:17, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Taivo - which is the correct English name for the first railway bridge over the Dnieper at Alexandrovsk: the "Kichkas bridge" or the "Kichkassky bridge"? Source: monograph on the history of the city's bridges.
Whichever the name is better, I think the article should use only one version - not one in one place and one in another as present.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 05:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I suspect that it would be better to have the geography section immediately after the introduction. This would allow the user to be introduced to the island, the rapids that used to exist before the hydro-electric dam, the issue of the city being built on the left bank, the names of the branches of the river either side of the island, etc.
As it is, some of these things have had to be explained in the history section so that people can understand the history.
Also the geography section has only one citation, and is written in non-natural English. It is also rather cryptic; how many of our readers have any idea what the Ukrainian Shield is? (Apparently "The Ukrainian Shield is the southwest shield of the East European craton." This might be meaningful to geologists; it means nothing to me.)
More over, Ukrainian, Baltic and Cannadian Shields have the same age and the same geological origin. DneproGes was designed by American hydrologists which build all Canandian hydro powers. I vote to leave this information -- zas2000 ( talk) 16:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
-- zas2000 ( talk) 17:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
It is claimed that the island is the pearl of Ukraine - either there needs to be a citation for this, or it needs to be deleted. Please can we have some citation to back the claim that the island is special - perhaps then the reader might understand why it is special. The only time I was on the Island, was for a New Year party, so I have no idea.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 16:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Again, for me no difference have we this infor or not-- zas2000 ( talk) 17:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This is not an acceptable reference:
Please format the reference properly, saying title, author, etc. I am not your copy editor.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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There seems to be some disagreement over the caption to the collage.
It seems most likely that the creator of the collage and also Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias know which street is shown in the top right hand photo, so I have changed the caption to say "Lenin Avenue" (though I was strongly tempted to write Prospekt Lenina). If it really does show another street, please present evidence here.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 16:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
To Toddy1: В результате вашего редактирования пропала интересная и полезная информация о Кичкаской переправе:
The article states that "The war (World War II) between the USSR and Germany began on 22 June 1941.". No, World War II did not start in 1941. World War II started in 1939 when Germany and the Soviet Union attacked Poland together. What happened on June 22 1941 was that the Soviet Union was forced to change side in World War II, from then on fighting against their former cooperation partner Germany. Joreberg ( talk) 21:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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An editor deleted https://web.archive.org/web/20060523084750/http://www.meria.zp.ua/ from the infobox template from the article on Zaporizhia. [9] As there was no edit summary, I assumed that it was an accident.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus .Some arguments/rationales are lacking in policy and/or outright pathetic.Also, the locus of transliteration of Ukrainian names needs a centralized discussion to be debated, rather than on a per-se basis.Overall, I don't see any meaningful evidence about the most-prevalent name in English sources and this article remains unmoved. ∯WBG converse 07:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Zaporizhia → Zaporizhzhia – Rationale provided below. — 46.200.143.183 ( talk) 01:51, 23 June 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa ( talk) 23:42, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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"We don't call Nu York..."?! I fail to see any logic in your position. 'New York' is an English language name, and is absolutely and undoubtedly the WP:COMMONNAME for an Anglophone country that's used this name for centuries. It has never been called 'Nu York', nor would there be any rationale for transliterating it (incorrectly) from the English language to the English language. You have provided a non-argument for your !vote. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 05:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
This is one of four related RMs raised together. One has closed as not moved and another seems about to be. I belatedly suggest a centralised discussion here. It's obviously a controversial issue. Andrewa ( talk) 23:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
We would like to ask to correct the transliteration of the city name.
Argumentation: In accordance with the decision of the executive committee of the Zaporizhzhya City Council, dated August 28, 2017, No.476, the transliteration of the spelling of the geographical name of the city of Zaporizhzhia on maps and other publications in Latin was approved as - "Zaporizhzhia" [11], in accordance with the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine dated January 27, 2010 N 55 "On the ordering of transliteration of the Ukrainian alphabet in Latin "(which is valid).
Unfortunately, my editing has been rejected. At this time, mistakes occur oftenly while using the Latin name of the city. I consider it would be appropriate to prescribe the correct name of the city in English in the article.
Thank you for your time
https://zaporizhzhia.city/en Власова Альона ( talk) 13:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
– Wikipedia guidelines tell us to name articles based on commonly used name in up-to-date, reliable sources. Relevant:
There are three commonly used names, and none is an outstanding winner in the popularity contest (see the search results survey, below).
But Zaporizhzhia is the romanized Ukrainian name according to most of the schemes documented in Romanization of Ukrainian, including six of the English-language-oriented ones (the other three exceptions are outdated systems: Zaporizhzhya in the British Standard and BGN/PCGN 1965, Zaporizhia in Ukrainian National 1996, and others are European systems that give us Zaporižžja and the like). As a matter of Wikipedia history, the current article title was chosen to conform to the now-superseded Ukrainian National 1996 system.
Critically, Zaporizhzhia is the name given by the Ukrainian National 2010 system which has also been adopted as official by the authoritative UNGEGN in 2012 and the BGN/PCGN in 2020, so this spelling now appears in most geo-name databases, maps, and other references, and will continue to be used going forward. Examples include the UN’s Toponymic Guidelines for Map and Other Editors for International Use, [12] and the BGN/PCGN’s geo names search, [13], and English-language references and style guides that ultimately refer to them.
The Ukrainian oblast (region) is named after the city in all languages, and should carry the same name per WP:CONSISTENCY with other members of Category:Oblasts of Ukraine. Note that this is not the oblast’s official name, which is Запорізька област or just Запорізька in Cyrillic and Zaporizka oblast or Zaporizka in Latin-alphabet text.
Below are my results of a search survey. Please remember to consider WP:GOOG when interpreting search results, notably that the estimates at the top of each search page are wrong and you have to page to the end to see real numbers, and that your results will vary from mine based on your logged-in status, location, and the ambient temperature on Mars. And most importantly, that Web Search includes few reliable sources while Books and Scholar includes many.
Zaporizhia 149 | Zaporizhia Oblast 114 |
Zaporizhzhia 154 | Zaporizhzhia Oblast 68 |
Zaporizhzhya 161 | Zaporizhzhya Oblast 45 |
Zaporizka oblast 75 |
Zaporizhia 3,760 (11 pages) | Zaporizhia Oblast 668 (4) |
Zaporizhzhia 3,370 (10) | Zaporizhzhia Oblast 340 (5) |
Zaporizhzhya 4,380 (9) | Zaporizhzhya Oblast 31 (4) |
Zaporizka oblast 224 (3) |
Zaporizhia 272 (13) | Zaporizhia Oblast 16 (1) |
Zaporizhzhia 930 (47) | Zaporizhzhia Oblast 16 (1) |
Zaporizhzhya 438 (21) | Zaporizhzhya Oblast 7 (1) |
Zaporizka oblast 2 |
— Michael Z. 21:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Could someone (perhaps User:Mzajac) please verify that the referenced sources really say Hebrew was the native language of portions of the population in the past? It seems implausible. Might the language concerned be Yiddish, spoken by a "Hebrew" (meaning Jewish, in this context) section of the population? Thanks and best wishes -- -- Frans Fowler ( talk) 23:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
The history section of this article is long enough to merit its own article. See also Ukrainian-language article: History of Zaporizhzhia. Thoughts? -- M2545 ( talk) 10:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Pls change Dnieper river to ukrainian version - Dnipro river 176.115.13.139 ( talk) 08:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Any reference to “Dnieper” is using the disgusting bastardized russian (lowercase intentional) transliteration of a place-name located within the territory of the free, independent, sovereign nation of Ukraine. It should be replaced with “Dnipro” throughout this article and elsewhere on Wikipedia. After nearly nine months of russian fascists torturing, raping, murdering, and mutilating Ukrainian children, women, elderly, and soldiers, it is shameful to still use the putrid language of the terrorist invaders. 2607:FEA8:7A20:AF50:1DE6:6E22:877B:FA6D ( talk) 20:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
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"Zaporizhzhia is known for the historic island of Khortytsia; multiple power stations including Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (the largest nuclear power station in Europe)" - Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is in the oblast, but not the city of Zaporizhzhia. And even if it were, I'm not sure why that detail would be important enough for the lead.
Please remove the entire paragraph; "nothing" is better than the low-quality content of that paragraph. 217.180.228.188 ( talk) 22:32, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
The minor detail can be removed, but the power stations are still important. User:QuicksmartTortoise513 22:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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I suggest to replace Further information: Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast with Further information: 2022 bombing of Zaporizhzhia because city is not occupied, so current article for further reading is not relevant. Zemleroika11 ( talk) 05:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
But this article is about city, not region, and city was never occupied Zemleroika11 ( talk) 22:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please, add logo which is saved on Commons as File:Емблема (логотип) Запоріжжя.png. Here's a link to the city's official website, which confirms the version of the logo: [16]. -- Keneris ☎ 14:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 19:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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Add literal translation for the Ukrainian word Запоріжжя on the top, “Beyond the rapids” PoisonHK ( talk) 17:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
The majority of Ukrainian namings have been adopted as both primarily and only applicable names, up to the lowest administrative subdivision structures, especially of the cities of Ukraine. Hence, why is the Russian naming of Zaporizhzhia - Zaporozhye, still present in this article? 2601:43:3:BC50:2CA8:F4A:2D0C:D28F ( talk) 05:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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I suggested to undo this page move as per simplification of double consonants outlined at Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian. -- Irpen 01:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "Zaporizhzhya"? In the US it's known just like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.7.254 ( talk) 09:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Ten years later. Can we finally move this page to its proper place (Zaporizhzhia)? JonStryker ( talk) 18:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Today, many pages applies to Zaporizhia, but most of this articles haven't Category:Zaporizhia. So, if you have time, please look all of these articles and add [[Category:Zaporizhia]]. -- Movses ( talk) 11:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
On the Francophone page on locks it is mentioned that the locks in this town have the record of highest vertical difference of water level taken in one step ('chute') Is this true? (The 3 Gorges Dam do 114 m with 5 locks) If yes, shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere? -- Bancki ( talk) 08:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
This statement is wrong :"Vyshnevetsky's fortifications served as a prototype for later Zaporizhian Siches" . Vyshnevetsky never knew about "Siches", so the fortress could not serve as prototype.
Few paragraphs below there is mumbling about "Capital" of Sich. This is absolutely wrong. SIch was paramilitary camp, stronghold and other similar definitions, nothing more
Khortytsia Island never been among of the historic locations of the Zaporizhian Sich . NEVER! -- Zas2000 ( talk) 18:48, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Taivo, I would like to emphasize that Khortytsya is the prototype for somebody, but not for others. Removing the word "consider" completely changes the meaning of the modern understanding of the situation. There was about 70 km upstream of the river similar fortress called Kodak., by the way also built Vishnevetsiky Because you are English native speaker it would easy for you to find the right expression for this.-- Zas2000 ( talk) 00:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
French engineer Guillaume Le Vasseur de Beauplan in 1635 year. -- Zas2000 ( talk) 04:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Cossacs business
The Cossacks business was to rob anyone who has something valuable and sell prisoners to the slavery to Crimea, Ottoman Empire and others country of Middle East. Actually, they were like sea pirates.
Where were Siches The position of the Vishnevsky Sich have been chosen practically very wrong. The island was tiny. There were no more than hundred cossacs in Veshnevetsky fortress. All others real Siches were 100 km downstream the river, near modern Nikopol' city. They were settled next to Nikitin ford across the Dnieper. The Milky Way (Chumatsky shliakh) passed through here. Cossacks controlled the trade rout from Europe to the Crimea and the Ottoman Empire here. Crimean Tatars have made sudden invasions of Rech Pospolita here. All Siches were based on small island among many others . High reed, grass, broad width of Dnieper protected Siches.
What could be common between Vishnevetskii Sich and other ones? Not much, maybe it was just described above business. Vishnevetsky Sich has been existed only for 3-4 years. For this short time it could not be founded traditions, habits and so on. The opinion that Veshnevetsky Sich is protoSich is comimg from a historian Grushevitsky. If you open another book, IP Saveliev, "Ancient History of the Cossacks," you'll see that the founder of the Zaporozhye Sech is Hetman Lanskoronsky. He was active in 1512, long before Veshnivetsky. In Lanskoronsky time cossacks built small forts before rapids.
This is shortly about could we consider the Veshnivetsky Sich as ProtoSich-- Zas2000 ( talk) 04:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Please can we go through the disputed parts sentence by sentence here - and explain our disagreements (if any).-- Toddy1 ( talk) 06:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In 1552 Dmytro Vyshnevetsky erected wood-earth fortifications on the island of Mala Khortytsya in the Dnieper River near Khortytsya island.
Some historians believe these fortifications were a prototype of the
Zaporizhian Sich.
[1]
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
This is my summary for Siches, nothing more I can tell you. However, I would like to repeat that the situation in which scientists have different opinions on thе same issue is common -- Zas2000 ( talk) 03:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
1.Who was the true organizer of the SIch structure , what kind of military means did they have at the early days of Sich, how far their military activity was spread out ? The answer is no one knows.
2.“To protect the southern borders of Speech Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Vishnevetskii came to the idea to create a fortress with a strong garrison on one of the islands of the lower Dnieper, from where they could reflect the attacks of Muslims ( Crimea tartar and Turks) “.
3.Сossacs have not forgot the way which was found by Vishnevetskii -- Zas2000 ( talk) 03:14, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
The Sich was a stronghold of the Cossacks who lived on the border of the Rzeczpospolita and Moscow kingdom south of the rapids of the Dnieper.
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In 1789 Mennonites from Prussia accepted an invitation from Catherine II of Russia and settled in what became the Chortitza Colony, northwest of Khortytsia island.
By David G. Rempel, Cornelia Rempel Carlson, University of Toronto Press, 2002 ISBN 0-8020-3639-2, 9780802036391 -- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 01:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Mennonite-owned mills and factories were built in Alexandrovsk and later expropriated by the
Communist government.
-- Zas2000 ( talk) 14:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Khotritsa Island belonged to the Mennonites until 1914, when the island was sold to the city.
After the
Russian Revolution many Mennonites immigrated, fled as refugees, or were deported from the area. Currently few Mennonites live in Zaporizhia.
[1]
Currently few Mennonites live in Zaporizhia. [1]
Mennonite buildings still exist in the area and in the other main Mennonite colony centre, current day Molochansk. [1]
Section on City population
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Hi Taivo, would you like to have the information about Mennonites, specially about Molochansk. The story about Molochansk proper to keep at the different page exclusively related to Mennonites. --Zas2000 00:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 ( talk • contribs)
Below is a table of information on the population of the city together with sources. I suspect that for population after 2000, population.mongabay.com has just assumed the 2000 population. We could do with more information, with the source listed against each line.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 14:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Year | Population/Esitimated Population | |
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1781 | 300 | Russian Wikipedia |
1795 | 1,200 | Russian Wikipedia |
1804 | 2,500 | Russian Wikipedia |
1861 | 3,800 | Russian Wikipedia |
1870 | 4,600 | Russian Wikipedia |
1885 | 6,700 | Russian Wikipedia |
1894 | 16,100 | Russian Wikipedia |
1897 | 16,400 | Russian Wikipedia |
1899 | 21,500 | Russian Wikipedia |
1900 | 24,200 | Russian Wikipedia |
1910 | 38,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1913 | 63,600 | Russian Wikipedia |
1916 | 72,900 | Russian Wikipedia |
1917 | 58,500 | Russian Wikipedia |
1926 | 55,300 | Russian Wikipedia |
1937 | 243,100 | Russian Wikipedia |
1939 | 289,200 | Russian Wikipedia |
1942 | 103,400 | Russian Wikipedia |
1950 | 315,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1955 | 380,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1956 | 381,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1959 | 449,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1960 | 459,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1965 | 554,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1970 | 664,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1970 | 658,000 | Russian Wikipedia |
1975 | 730,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1979 | 780,700 | Russian Wikipedia |
1980 | 795,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1985 | 844,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1989 | 883,900 | Russian Wikipedia |
1990 | 880,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1992 | 918,400 | Russian Wikipedia |
1995 | 879,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2000 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2001 | 815,300 | Russian Wikipedia |
2005 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2005 | 822,931 | population.mongabay.com Cities in the world with 600,000 to 1 million inhabitants in 2005 |
2010 | 777,300 | Russian Wikipedia |
2010 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
2015 | 878,000 | population.mongabay.com |
1781 - 0,329 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1795 - 1,23 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1804 - 2,5 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1861 - 3,819 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1870 - 4,601 - http://www.archive.org/stream/americancyclopae01ripluoft#page/292/mode/1up 1885 - 6,707 - http://www.vehi.net/brokgauz/all/002/2004.shtml 1894 - 16,1 - http://genobooks.narod.ru/Rossia_1898/216-217.htm 1897 - 16,393 - http://www.archive.org/stream/bolshaiantsiklo00igoog#page/n381/mode/1up 1899 - 21,503 - http://books.google.com/books?id=LgNUAAAAMAAJ&q=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F+%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0%22&dq=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%25 1900 - 24,196 - http://genobooks.narod.ru/Rossia_1906/rk108-109.htm 1910 - 38 - http://books.google.com/books?id=aIJMAAAAIAAJ&q=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F%22&dq=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80 1913 - 63,6 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1916 - 72,9 - http://meria.zp.ua/test/index.php?id=5 1917 - 58,517 - TV series "City Z", film "Year 1926" 1926 - 55,295 - http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/J/JIROMSKAYA_Valentina_Borisovna/Polveka_pod_grifom_%27%27sekretno%27%27.(1996).%5Bdjv%5D.zip 1937 - 243,148 - http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/J/JIROMSKAYA_Valentina_Borisovna/Polveka_pod_grifom_%27%27sekretno%27%27.(1996).%5Bdjv%5D.zip 1939 - 289,188 - http://books.google.com/books?id=yHokAAAAMAAJ&q=Aleksandrovsk+intitle:geography&dq=Aleksandrovsk+intitle:geography&lr=&hl=ru&cd=25 1942 - 103 - TV series "City Z", film "Year 1942" 1956 - 381 - http://books.google.com/books?id=aIJMAAAAIAAJ&q=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F%22&dq=%22%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80 1959 - 449 - http://bse.sci-lib.com/article043711.html 1970 - 658 - http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=14&hl=ru&q=%5bZaporizhia+658000%5d&btnG=%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8 1979 - 780,745 - http://www.sovetika.ru/sssr/nas7904.htm 1989 - 897,6 - http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/ehm/Zaporojie/183731 1991 - 900 - http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=4&hl=ru&q=Zaporizhzhya+intitle%3A%22Atlas+of+World+Geography%22&btnG=%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8 2001 - 815,256 - http://2001.ukrcensus.gov.ua/rus/results/general/urban-rural/zaporizhya/ 2010 - 776,918 - http://www.zp.ukrstat.gov.ua/images/stories/Exp_dem_1377.pdf
-- Movses ( talk) 16:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Dear Movses, Could you give me the information, how many factories were built in Zaporoshie in the 30 th? What are their names (especially in metallurgy), when they began to run? --Zas2000 14:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 ( talk • contribs)
As a result of removal of correct information about the city is just lost? Some information is better than none at all-- zas2000 ( talk) 17:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Why do you insist on the table? The position of the graph is bad - it does not match to the laptop screen. Could you explain why need this vertical table? Why the horizontal one does not satisfy you? -- zas2000 ( talk) 16:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
-- zas2000 ( talk) 18:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Year | Population | Source | Year | Population | Source | |
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1781 | 329 | [2] | 1926 | 55,744 | [3] [4] | |
1795 | 1,230 | [2] | 1937 | 243,148 | [4] | |
1804 | 2,500 | [2] | 1939 | 289,188 | [3] [5] [6] | |
1824 | 1,716 | [7] | 1943 | 120,000 | [5] [8] | |
1859 | 3,100 | [7] | 1956 | 381,000 | [9] | |
1861 | 3,819 | [2] [10] | 1959 | 449,000 | [6] | |
1864 | 4,354 | [7] | 1970 | 658,000 | [11] | |
1870 | 4,601 | [12] | 1971 | 676,000 | [6] | |
1885 | 6,707 | [13] | 1979 | 781,000 | [14] | |
1894 | 16,100 | [15] | 1989 | 897,600 | [16] | |
1897 | 16,393 | [17] | 1991 | 896,600 | [18] | |
1900 | 24,196 | [19] | 2001 | 815,300 | [20] | |
1902 | 35,000 | [7] | 2010 | 776,918 | [21] | |
1910 | 38,000 | [9] | ||||
1913 | 63,600 | [2] | ||||
1915 | about 60,000 | [7] | ||||
1916 | 72,900 | [2] | ||||
1917 | 58,517 | [22] |
zas2000 - an edit you did [4] put in a sentence that does not make sense. "At the same time American specialists taught to smelt the ferroalloy production in Kryvoi Rog." Who was teaching? Who was being taught? What were they being taught to smelt?
It would also help a lot if you would say which page numbers of the book you got the information for the paragraph from.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 13:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Dear Movses, I've discussed with you the origin of this picture sometimes ago.
you will find next phrase:
"Original historic description: Hitler begrüßt Generalfeldmarschall von Manstein auf einem Feldflugplatz im Osten 1943 [freigegeben am 18.3.1943]"
"freigegeben" - means time of the picture was taken- 18 of march 1943. This is a date when Hitler arrived to Zaporozhie to meet Manstein.
WHAT DO YOU NEED ELSE?
-- zas2000 ( talk) 22:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Do next:
the information :
Saporoshje Körperschaft HQ d.Heeresgruppe Süd Ereignis Besuch Hitlers 10. März 1943 (WK II; Ostfront) Name Hitler, Adolf [Politiker 1889-1945] Beschreibung Gruppenb (im Profil in Uniformledermantel m.Mütze Manstein d.Hand gebend; Manstein m.RK; Baur 2.von rechts; Richthofen ganz rechts; im Hintergrund e.Flugzeug; Soldaten m."Hitlergruß"; Angehöriger e.Propagandakompanie = PK m.Filmkamera; Flugplatz in d.Nähe d.HQ) Technik Fotografie (m.Freigabevermerk) Künstler Hoffmann, Heinrich [Fotograf 1885-1957] Enth. Pers. Manstein, Erich von [Generalfeldmarschall 1887-1973]; Baur, Hans [Pilot, Gruppenführer, Generalleutnant 1897-1993]; Richthofen, Wolfram von [Generalfeldmarschall 1895-1945] Sigel 13; 16; 20; 21; 22; 23; 70 Bild-Nr. hoff-47262 -- zas2000 ( talk) 22:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
It does not give much confidence in the exact date the photo was taken when one archive says 10 March and another 18 March.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 05:53, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Can we please keep Soviet propaganda out of this article? Great Patriotic war is not an English term and The first Red Army tank to enter the city was commanded by Lieutenant Yatsenko; he and his crew were killed in the battle for the city; the grateful city still keeps the memory of these soldiers are no wear near encyclopaedic sentences. Yatsenko was simply unlucky but not noteworthy.
By the way: Soviet soldier are never Russian soldiers cause Russia was not an independent country during WWII, thus how could there have been Russian soldiers? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 01:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It is not propaganda. The city has the street and memorial after Yatsenko crew at present. I am wondering how you will feel to see Yantsenko tank , when only 30 % of population is survived after two years of the occupation. Your phrase Yatsenko was simply unlucky but not noteworthy is a shameless, that I have ever heard on this occasion. -- zas2000 ( talk) 03:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
My understanding is rather opposite: they were pro-Nazi rather than anti-communist.-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Some people call it as "so-called" democratic arm forces. Ask Serbians.-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Red Army was renamed as the Soviet army in 1946. -- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
You have found a formal reason for the use of the term Great Patriotic War. For me, more important the real background behind this term. Local people believe that it was Patriotic War-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
see this :
-- zas2000 ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
To be in frame of the WIKI , the reference for the GPW is supplied in the article. -- zas2000 ( talk) 15:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Zas2000 - please can you verify my understanding concerning streets and memorials:
I have only ever been in the city at night, so I am unfamiliar with it.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 14:56, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Please could you consider writing an article on Yatsenko.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 16:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I really do not know is it necessary to give too much details) Mariupol' shliax - is the way to the Kichkas ford across Dnieper ( the place where DnieroGEs is now) -- zas2000 ( talk) 17:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
To Toddy1: "The myth that the Nazi-era German armed forces, the Wehrmacht, was not involved in war crimes persisted for decades after the war. Now two German researchers have destroyed it once and for all. Newly published conversations between German prisoners of war, secretly recorded by the Allies, reveal horrifying details of violence against civilians, rape and genocide."
This is not new. Blaming the SS was a convenient get-out for the Germans. There are plenty of accounts by Germans in the Heer of murdering prisoners and civilians.
It is also well known that millions of Soviet soldiers captured by the Germans in 1941 were deliberately allowed to die of starvation and disease as a matter of policy. The Germans also deliberately took food from captured territories causing increased mortality due to malnutrition. The German long-term plan was that Ukraine and European-Russia should be emptied of their native inhabitants by a combination of murder, starvation and deportation.
Have you read Hitler's Willing Executioners, which deals with German anti-semitism?
The Romanian Army also participated in war crimes on the Eastern front.
The Germans also committed war crimes in 1914 in Belgium - see German atrocities 1914, a history of denial by John Horne and Alan Kramer, pub Yale University Press, 2001. Interestingly this reveals that when the Germans invaded Belgium, France and Holland in 1940, the German armed forces were ordered not to commit executions of civilians as they had in Belgium in 1914 and Poland in 1939. Instead of executing civilian combatants (as they were entitled to under the laws of war), in 1940 in the invasion of Belgium, France and Holland the Germans gave such people POW status! They did not do this in Eastern European countries - indeed Volume IV of Germany and the Second World War justifies the execution of captured Soviet civilians who took up arms against the Germans.
It is worth noting that the NKVD also undertook mass murder of Russian and Ukrainian civilians. There was a huge wave of mass executions of political prisoners in 1941. But there were other mass-executions later; for example, when the Red Army recaptured Kharkov the first time, the NKVD executed about 4,000 inhabitants of the city - these included any girls who had been out with German soldiers.
The higher command of the Red Army also had to make strenuous efforts to stop the murder of Germans captured by the Red Army - the problem was that the hate-propaganda inflamed people against the Germans. Calling German solders Nazis was part of this hate propaganda. The higher command of the Red Army argued in November 1941 that creating conditions where German soldiers fought to the death was not in the interests of the Red Army. Nevertheless about 95% of Germans captured by the Red Army in 1941 were murdered.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 17:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
-- zas2000 ( talk) 18:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
von Manstein's book only mentions the big Dnieper railway bridge. He does not mention a second railway bridge. You have added a claim that the Germans "demolished two railway bridges again". We need a citation for the claim that the Germans demolished a second railway bridge.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 12:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
There are two bridges in the city, which connect right and left banks of the river (at present time - three, built in 1970). Connections comes through the island Khortitsia across Old and New Dnieper streams. Third bridge makes connection to the left bank through the island as well. -- zas2000 ( talk) 14:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Makhno is nothing compare to her.-- zas2000 ( talk) 16:25, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
It has good reference to Archibald Malcolm "Atamansha: the Story of Maria Nikiforova, the Anarchist Joan of Arc." — Dublin: Black Cat Press, 2007. — ISBN 9780973782707 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
In chapter "Alexanderovsk and Guliaj Pole" there is an episode about the fight at Kichkass bridge -- zas2000 ( talk) 11:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I mean city Bryansk, the Bryansk joint-stock company probably originally from this city-- zas2000 ( talk) 11:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I have a question - in a morning when you wake up, are you looking the references (your ID) that you are You?. There is obvious information that city is on the left bank of the river, very few Dnieper or Volga cities are on the right bank. Because you like Chekhov's "Man in a Case" need some regulations ( references) I remind you one of the important rule of WIKI: WIKI is not a store of references. Do we need to add a references bounded (from dictionaries) to the each word used in the text? -- zas2000 ( talk) 12:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy: unreferenced material may be removed, so please provide references.
For people who might be interested: I just created a Wikipedia article about the city's mayor Oleksandr Sin. Feel free to contribute to it. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the info; I should get to know more celebrity's :-) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The history of the city on the page is not specially long, though it may well grow longer.
If you want to put the history in a separate article, you need put a proper summary with citations in its place. (This will of course be work.) Just deleting a random selection of sections is not OK.
I suspect that the best thing to do would be to wait and develop the history section further. If you want to then make a summary and propose to move the current contents to a history page, please propose this on the talk page.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 11:17, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Taivo - which is the correct English name for the first railway bridge over the Dnieper at Alexandrovsk: the "Kichkas bridge" or the "Kichkassky bridge"? Source: monograph on the history of the city's bridges.
Whichever the name is better, I think the article should use only one version - not one in one place and one in another as present.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 05:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I suspect that it would be better to have the geography section immediately after the introduction. This would allow the user to be introduced to the island, the rapids that used to exist before the hydro-electric dam, the issue of the city being built on the left bank, the names of the branches of the river either side of the island, etc.
As it is, some of these things have had to be explained in the history section so that people can understand the history.
Also the geography section has only one citation, and is written in non-natural English. It is also rather cryptic; how many of our readers have any idea what the Ukrainian Shield is? (Apparently "The Ukrainian Shield is the southwest shield of the East European craton." This might be meaningful to geologists; it means nothing to me.)
More over, Ukrainian, Baltic and Cannadian Shields have the same age and the same geological origin. DneproGes was designed by American hydrologists which build all Canandian hydro powers. I vote to leave this information -- zas2000 ( talk) 16:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
-- zas2000 ( talk) 17:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
It is claimed that the island is the pearl of Ukraine - either there needs to be a citation for this, or it needs to be deleted. Please can we have some citation to back the claim that the island is special - perhaps then the reader might understand why it is special. The only time I was on the Island, was for a New Year party, so I have no idea.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 16:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Again, for me no difference have we this infor or not-- zas2000 ( talk) 17:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This is not an acceptable reference:
Please format the reference properly, saying title, author, etc. I am not your copy editor.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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There seems to be some disagreement over the caption to the collage.
It seems most likely that the creator of the collage and also Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias know which street is shown in the top right hand photo, so I have changed the caption to say "Lenin Avenue" (though I was strongly tempted to write Prospekt Lenina). If it really does show another street, please present evidence here.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 16:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
To Toddy1: В результате вашего редактирования пропала интересная и полезная информация о Кичкаской переправе:
The article states that "The war (World War II) between the USSR and Germany began on 22 June 1941.". No, World War II did not start in 1941. World War II started in 1939 when Germany and the Soviet Union attacked Poland together. What happened on June 22 1941 was that the Soviet Union was forced to change side in World War II, from then on fighting against their former cooperation partner Germany. Joreberg ( talk) 21:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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An editor deleted https://web.archive.org/web/20060523084750/http://www.meria.zp.ua/ from the infobox template from the article on Zaporizhia. [9] As there was no edit summary, I assumed that it was an accident.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus .Some arguments/rationales are lacking in policy and/or outright pathetic.Also, the locus of transliteration of Ukrainian names needs a centralized discussion to be debated, rather than on a per-se basis.Overall, I don't see any meaningful evidence about the most-prevalent name in English sources and this article remains unmoved. ∯WBG converse 07:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Zaporizhia → Zaporizhzhia – Rationale provided below. — 46.200.143.183 ( talk) 01:51, 23 June 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa ( talk) 23:42, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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"We don't call Nu York..."?! I fail to see any logic in your position. 'New York' is an English language name, and is absolutely and undoubtedly the WP:COMMONNAME for an Anglophone country that's used this name for centuries. It has never been called 'Nu York', nor would there be any rationale for transliterating it (incorrectly) from the English language to the English language. You have provided a non-argument for your !vote. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 05:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
This is one of four related RMs raised together. One has closed as not moved and another seems about to be. I belatedly suggest a centralised discussion here. It's obviously a controversial issue. Andrewa ( talk) 23:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
We would like to ask to correct the transliteration of the city name.
Argumentation: In accordance with the decision of the executive committee of the Zaporizhzhya City Council, dated August 28, 2017, No.476, the transliteration of the spelling of the geographical name of the city of Zaporizhzhia on maps and other publications in Latin was approved as - "Zaporizhzhia" [11], in accordance with the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine dated January 27, 2010 N 55 "On the ordering of transliteration of the Ukrainian alphabet in Latin "(which is valid).
Unfortunately, my editing has been rejected. At this time, mistakes occur oftenly while using the Latin name of the city. I consider it would be appropriate to prescribe the correct name of the city in English in the article.
Thank you for your time
https://zaporizhzhia.city/en Власова Альона ( talk) 13:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
– Wikipedia guidelines tell us to name articles based on commonly used name in up-to-date, reliable sources. Relevant:
There are three commonly used names, and none is an outstanding winner in the popularity contest (see the search results survey, below).
But Zaporizhzhia is the romanized Ukrainian name according to most of the schemes documented in Romanization of Ukrainian, including six of the English-language-oriented ones (the other three exceptions are outdated systems: Zaporizhzhya in the British Standard and BGN/PCGN 1965, Zaporizhia in Ukrainian National 1996, and others are European systems that give us Zaporižžja and the like). As a matter of Wikipedia history, the current article title was chosen to conform to the now-superseded Ukrainian National 1996 system.
Critically, Zaporizhzhia is the name given by the Ukrainian National 2010 system which has also been adopted as official by the authoritative UNGEGN in 2012 and the BGN/PCGN in 2020, so this spelling now appears in most geo-name databases, maps, and other references, and will continue to be used going forward. Examples include the UN’s Toponymic Guidelines for Map and Other Editors for International Use, [12] and the BGN/PCGN’s geo names search, [13], and English-language references and style guides that ultimately refer to them.
The Ukrainian oblast (region) is named after the city in all languages, and should carry the same name per WP:CONSISTENCY with other members of Category:Oblasts of Ukraine. Note that this is not the oblast’s official name, which is Запорізька област or just Запорізька in Cyrillic and Zaporizka oblast or Zaporizka in Latin-alphabet text.
Below are my results of a search survey. Please remember to consider WP:GOOG when interpreting search results, notably that the estimates at the top of each search page are wrong and you have to page to the end to see real numbers, and that your results will vary from mine based on your logged-in status, location, and the ambient temperature on Mars. And most importantly, that Web Search includes few reliable sources while Books and Scholar includes many.
Zaporizhia 149 | Zaporizhia Oblast 114 |
Zaporizhzhia 154 | Zaporizhzhia Oblast 68 |
Zaporizhzhya 161 | Zaporizhzhya Oblast 45 |
Zaporizka oblast 75 |
Zaporizhia 3,760 (11 pages) | Zaporizhia Oblast 668 (4) |
Zaporizhzhia 3,370 (10) | Zaporizhzhia Oblast 340 (5) |
Zaporizhzhya 4,380 (9) | Zaporizhzhya Oblast 31 (4) |
Zaporizka oblast 224 (3) |
Zaporizhia 272 (13) | Zaporizhia Oblast 16 (1) |
Zaporizhzhia 930 (47) | Zaporizhzhia Oblast 16 (1) |
Zaporizhzhya 438 (21) | Zaporizhzhya Oblast 7 (1) |
Zaporizka oblast 2 |
— Michael Z. 21:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Could someone (perhaps User:Mzajac) please verify that the referenced sources really say Hebrew was the native language of portions of the population in the past? It seems implausible. Might the language concerned be Yiddish, spoken by a "Hebrew" (meaning Jewish, in this context) section of the population? Thanks and best wishes -- -- Frans Fowler ( talk) 23:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
The history section of this article is long enough to merit its own article. See also Ukrainian-language article: History of Zaporizhzhia. Thoughts? -- M2545 ( talk) 10:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Pls change Dnieper river to ukrainian version - Dnipro river 176.115.13.139 ( talk) 08:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Any reference to “Dnieper” is using the disgusting bastardized russian (lowercase intentional) transliteration of a place-name located within the territory of the free, independent, sovereign nation of Ukraine. It should be replaced with “Dnipro” throughout this article and elsewhere on Wikipedia. After nearly nine months of russian fascists torturing, raping, murdering, and mutilating Ukrainian children, women, elderly, and soldiers, it is shameful to still use the putrid language of the terrorist invaders. 2607:FEA8:7A20:AF50:1DE6:6E22:877B:FA6D ( talk) 20:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
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"Zaporizhzhia is known for the historic island of Khortytsia; multiple power stations including Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (the largest nuclear power station in Europe)" - Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is in the oblast, but not the city of Zaporizhzhia. And even if it were, I'm not sure why that detail would be important enough for the lead.
Please remove the entire paragraph; "nothing" is better than the low-quality content of that paragraph. 217.180.228.188 ( talk) 22:32, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
The minor detail can be removed, but the power stations are still important. User:QuicksmartTortoise513 22:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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I suggest to replace Further information: Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast with Further information: 2022 bombing of Zaporizhzhia because city is not occupied, so current article for further reading is not relevant. Zemleroika11 ( talk) 05:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
But this article is about city, not region, and city was never occupied Zemleroika11 ( talk) 22:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please, add logo which is saved on Commons as File:Емблема (логотип) Запоріжжя.png. Here's a link to the city's official website, which confirms the version of the logo: [16]. -- Keneris ☎ 14:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 19:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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Add literal translation for the Ukrainian word Запоріжжя on the top, “Beyond the rapids” PoisonHK ( talk) 17:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
The majority of Ukrainian namings have been adopted as both primarily and only applicable names, up to the lowest administrative subdivision structures, especially of the cities of Ukraine. Hence, why is the Russian naming of Zaporizhzhia - Zaporozhye, still present in this article? 2601:43:3:BC50:2CA8:F4A:2D0C:D28F ( talk) 05:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)