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Under Single play there is a banner that tells us that a citation is needed for the accuracy of the info.
But the citation is the game manual. How can I point out that the information comes straight from the games manual?
You can mail a suggestion directly to me at address nes@iki.fi
I removed the following info from the Sequels section of the article:
I removed it because Cenega (or Altar Interactive) came right out and stated that their game, though very much like X-COM was not an X-COM game. It wasn't an official part of the series, it just had some similar elements. As a compromise, I added a link to the game (which doesn't have an article as of this writing) to the See also section. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:10, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
I've just being playing UFO: Enemy Unknown on WinUAE, the Amiga emulator. If you do a little searching, there's an adf of the AGA version. The graphics are far better than the crappy PC Dos version or the old Amiga 500 version, higher resoultion, more colourful, smoother, etc... the music is also very atmospheric compared to other versions. Download WinUAE and check it out. It takes a while to get the correct configuarion, but it's worth it. I'm addicted all over again...
If you look at this version, you'll see that Coolcat added a slew of images of alien ships with their statistics. I reverted them without discussion. This is way too much info for this game and is unencyclopedic. Changes of this sort which have been made to other articles have also been dismissed, so I have precedent. I recommend adding such information to a Wikibook, but not to the main 'pedia entry. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:35, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
It is my duty (and every editor's) to determine what is encyclopedic and what is not. However, I won't revert your revert without resolving it here first.
I do indeed think your additions are fancruft. I'm a huge fan of the game, but all the statistics and images you added would only be of interest to the hardcore fan. The information would be great for a strategy guide or a walkthrough, but it simply isn't encyclopedic. I don't where it is now, but there is a sister project for all this type of game information. Things such as this and cheat codes are a great place for it, but not an article that is supposed to give a general overview of the game.
Unfortunately, this article isn't very heavily watched, or we'd have more input from other editors on this point. If you like, you can raise the issue on the Computer and video games WikiProject (a project you might be interested in joining). There, other editors who are much more into games than I am can weigh in on the issue.
Thank you for being open to discussing this issue. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:17, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the information. It'd be fine for a strategy guide, such as a Wikibook, but not a Wikipedia article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:29, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
I moved them to the main X-COM article, where they belong. Also the last one had incorrect markup, and I fixed it. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:02, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
Morwen changed the name to X-COM: Enemy Unknown. While this is the original name of the game in the UK (where it was developed), this article was written about and contains information based on the North American version. For an example, see the scan of the player's manual in the infobox. I'd like to keep it as X-COM: UFO Defense, but I'm not strongly opposed to a name change. But the graphics used in the article should be changed as well.
But more importantly, the article should be moved to X-COM: Enemy Unknown, not just changed in the article. Please discuss here before attempting to move again. A namespace change should almost always be discussed first. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 01:31, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Is the Russian novelization of X-COM officially licensed?
I've removed a claim that Terror from the Deep was a licensed port, as the sources I've found all imply the game was developed by Microprose. Just posting here to verify I'm not missing a reputable source making this claim. i kan reed 23:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of starting up a Wikipedia project page for X-COM - the game is under-represented in the encyclopaedia considering the original's impact on the genre. Articles are reasonably messy too and need some maintenance and referencing done.
If you think this project could work, give me a shout on my talk page and I'll fire up the burners! Mouse Nightshirt | talk 17:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
According to the information I've been able to scrounge up, the game was released in the USA before it was in Europe; why is someone making it seem like it's the other way around? 75.88.49.3 17:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's some info on the titles:
I snipped out a few lines regarding the Rebelstar release. It is 'not' X-COM, nor does it follow the X-COM storyline in any way, which is already described at the beginning of the article. It's basically a "sorta-related" release since the Gallop brothers do not have the rights to X-COM. TFX 21:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Original game CD - 1997. Game is called: X-COM:UFO Defense DOS CD-ROM #0-522-40-102 Publisher: Microprose copyright. Mythos Games Ltd and Microprose Ltd. All Rights Reserved. X-COM and MICROPROSE are registered trademarks and X-COM:UFO DEFENSE is a trademark of Microprose Software, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective holders. Rated: Teen Ages 13+ ESRB
This is my CD-ROM of the game with serial number of the CD disk. Version 1 I might add since I know there is the 1.4 patch for this ms-dos game.
Review at Gamespot of game: Dec. 31, 1993 http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/xcomufodefense/index.html
Patch v1.4 Sept.1, 1997
X-COM Collector's Edition (which I also have upgraded to work in Windows turning off DirectDraw or Direct 3D nowadays to make the game play) Nov. 24, 1999 Review at Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/xcomcollectorsedition/index.html
Oh, also if it helps since I remember the game on the shelf the game was X-COM:Enemy Unknown but here in the USA it did not catch on at first, and then it became X-COM:UFO Defense within the same box as shown for the game.
The Gollop brothers originally approached Microprose wishing to produce a sequel to Laser Squad. They had a graphics demo on the Atari ST. At This point their intention was to produce a squad level tactical battle game based on another planet with no extra strategic elements.
Microprose liked the demo but UK publisher Paul Hibbard felt the game should be ‘bigger’ to fit in line with the rest of the MicroProse strategic titles and ideally should have an earth based element. He tasked the development and marketing departments to come up with some ideas to expand the game and present them to the Gollop brothers. Peter Moreland from MicroProse development immediately recognised that there was an opportunity to use many of the elements from a 60’s Gerry Anderson Sci-Fi TV series UFO.
In conjunction with Rob Davies, Tim Roberts and the Gollop Brothers a brain storming session was held and the additional strategic elements were thrashed out including the Geosphere, Interception, Base building, Ufopedia and weapons research, the latter items being adaptations of strategy elements already included in other MicroProse titles such as Civilisation.
Peter Moreland
87.114.1.219 15:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Went to your page... I am a Wikipedia virgin... I couldnt see how to start a new message... When you say you need a ref.. what do you mean? I am telling you the events as I remember them happening. Cheers
Peter Moreland
I disagree with this move, because the person who moved it doesn't seem to have his/her facts straight, and I can't blame him/her, it can get confusing. If you read the current introductory text on the game's page, you'll notice it states that it was released as X-COM: Enemy Unknown and later as UFO: Enemy Unknown in the USA and X-COM: UFO Defense on Steam. This is incorrect. Back when it was first released, it was called UFO: Enemy Unknown in Europe and X-COM: UFO Defense in the USA. X-COM: Enemy Unknown is the title for the (European) Playstation version (released later) as per this article on Mobygames: http://www.mobygames.com/game/playstation/x-com-ufo-defense ; and for visual confirmation, you can check this page on StrategyCore: http://www.strategycore.co.uk/xcom/pg/ufogameversions. Also, X-COM: Enemy Unknown is not the most common name, it is X-COM: UFO Defense. X-COM: UFO Defense is also the official title of the trademark (again, as per USPTO: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=pjve9c.2.7). Finally, I think this could unnecessarily confuse Wikipedia readers - most of the ones searching for the game will know it under either UFO: Enemy Unknown or X-COM: UFO Defense. For those reasons I think it should be returned to how it looked just before the move. I hope I also cleared up some things. :) -- Gibly ( talk) 23:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
It needs to be reverted back to the UFO: Enemy Unknown title. See also #Move from X-COM: UFO Defense to X-COM: Enemy Unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.41.92 ( talk) 14:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Article appears to need a bit of copy editing. I'm happy to take care of this and might get it done later today, or it may be a few days; meanwhile, some other preliminary thoughts:
It's not an RTS. -- Niemti ( talk) 11:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Its legacy is discussed in the series article. English PC reviews from 1994 are extremely hard to obtain; Amiga reviews are plenty and easy to access (AMR) but not representative. -- Niemti ( talk) 11:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
My magazines (Top Secret, Secret Service, Gambler) will be absolutely nothing for anyone not from Poland at that time (like, Secret Service is not even in the disambiguation page, and it was the country's best-selling magazine in the 1990s, and supposedly even in all of Europe [2]). Amiga conversion reviews (including for re-releases): [3] -- Niemti ( talk) 13:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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So that's significant issues against every criteria, including two serious problems; as a result of which I'm failing the nomination. As I said in my initial at-first-glance comments, I'm still happy to help out with copy editing and sourcing content. But having gone through the article more thoroughly, these issues are far too extensive to be done as part of GAN polish up. bridies ( talk) 09:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't have access to most of paper sources added by other editors which made adding names and pages impossible. So I just one standard used one for all of them (an issue).
I thought the reception was actually the strongest part of it. It's a 1994 (or even 1993, according to many so-called reliable sources) game so it's pretty natural the reception will be more recent than that. And I myself added these "lower aggregators" to precisely show how the scores were (relatively) pretty low on the Amiga (as compared to the PC/PSX scores at GameRankings). I don't have this access to many old PC magazines in English and I don't want to add any Polish ones, because they don't even have Wikipedia articles (I think it would just looks non-notable, possibly imaginary).
The two images are to represent the both Geoscape and the Battlescape, something that so many sources emphasize of being so different (you've got "the world" indeed, and then you've got this extreme closup on a Laser Squad type tactical mission with all-different gameplay too).
I'll look into the other stuff. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
And there are PlayStation reviews. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
While WP:LEADCITE does state that a lead repeats what is said (and cited) in the body, it also says: "there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads" and that "editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." Best-ever claims are extraordinary, potentially controversial and need citations whether in the lead or body. Also, synthesising these claims with words such as "various" and "often" is too vague, as is saying that it's listed as "as one of the best video games ever made." What's "one of the best" exactly? Top 3? Top 5? 10? 20? 25? 50? 100? 500? There's a difference between no. 1 and no. 7; no. 7 and no. 12; no. 12 and no. 78. bridies ( talk) 10:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Since we're not quite on the same page here, requested input: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Input requested at UFO: Enemy Unknown. bridies ( talk) 14:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC) Oh, and yeah, it got lots of Game of the Year type awards and such, but it was just before the Internet, and also some 18 years ago. So the Game of Ever awards will have to do. -- Niemti ( talk) 12:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Several sources including IGN
[6] and GameSpot
[7] claim the game was released in 1993 (specifically "Dec 31, 1993" in the US, according to GameSpot). I think I'm quite sure it wasn't, with Gollop himself repeatedly saying the PC version wasn't even ready before March 1994, and I believe the US version arrived there even later. I decided to ignore the date of 1993 altogether, and here I just want inform about it. --
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- some links are dead, "PC Gamer's top 100 PC Games of all time". PC Gamer. February 5, 2010. Retrieved 2010-11-15. - is there any alternate source for this? http://www.gamesradar.com/f/pc-gamers-top-100-pc-games-of-all-time/a-2010012911133649022/p-5 Thelux12 ( talk) 18:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I've started copy editing for basic grammar and such but have been pressed for time today and have only done about half. I should get the rest done tomorrow morning. Aside from the basic grammar and such, here's some points to consider more regarding the tone and style:
Looks better now. I'll try and post up some reference material I have; however this will probably take several days. bridies ( talk) 08:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's the Electronic Gaming Monthly review in brief, for a start. This is for the PlayStation version, but EGM was one of the biggest overall gaming magazines around at the time. Somewhat inconveniently, it uses a panel format, with 4 mini-reviews and 4 scores. Make of that what you will.... Also note the inconsistent capitalisation of X-COM/X-Com/X-com is straight from the source. Anyway:
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Should we create a new section for:
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An article in Wireframe, where Gollop talks about difficulties of testing the game: [8]. It may be enough for a paragraph. -- Sleeps-Darkly ( talk) 23:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
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Under Single play there is a banner that tells us that a citation is needed for the accuracy of the info.
But the citation is the game manual. How can I point out that the information comes straight from the games manual?
You can mail a suggestion directly to me at address nes@iki.fi
I removed the following info from the Sequels section of the article:
I removed it because Cenega (or Altar Interactive) came right out and stated that their game, though very much like X-COM was not an X-COM game. It wasn't an official part of the series, it just had some similar elements. As a compromise, I added a link to the game (which doesn't have an article as of this writing) to the See also section. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:10, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
I've just being playing UFO: Enemy Unknown on WinUAE, the Amiga emulator. If you do a little searching, there's an adf of the AGA version. The graphics are far better than the crappy PC Dos version or the old Amiga 500 version, higher resoultion, more colourful, smoother, etc... the music is also very atmospheric compared to other versions. Download WinUAE and check it out. It takes a while to get the correct configuarion, but it's worth it. I'm addicted all over again...
If you look at this version, you'll see that Coolcat added a slew of images of alien ships with their statistics. I reverted them without discussion. This is way too much info for this game and is unencyclopedic. Changes of this sort which have been made to other articles have also been dismissed, so I have precedent. I recommend adding such information to a Wikibook, but not to the main 'pedia entry. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:35, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
It is my duty (and every editor's) to determine what is encyclopedic and what is not. However, I won't revert your revert without resolving it here first.
I do indeed think your additions are fancruft. I'm a huge fan of the game, but all the statistics and images you added would only be of interest to the hardcore fan. The information would be great for a strategy guide or a walkthrough, but it simply isn't encyclopedic. I don't where it is now, but there is a sister project for all this type of game information. Things such as this and cheat codes are a great place for it, but not an article that is supposed to give a general overview of the game.
Unfortunately, this article isn't very heavily watched, or we'd have more input from other editors on this point. If you like, you can raise the issue on the Computer and video games WikiProject (a project you might be interested in joining). There, other editors who are much more into games than I am can weigh in on the issue.
Thank you for being open to discussing this issue. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:17, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the information. It'd be fine for a strategy guide, such as a Wikibook, but not a Wikipedia article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:29, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
I moved them to the main X-COM article, where they belong. Also the last one had incorrect markup, and I fixed it. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:02, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
Morwen changed the name to X-COM: Enemy Unknown. While this is the original name of the game in the UK (where it was developed), this article was written about and contains information based on the North American version. For an example, see the scan of the player's manual in the infobox. I'd like to keep it as X-COM: UFO Defense, but I'm not strongly opposed to a name change. But the graphics used in the article should be changed as well.
But more importantly, the article should be moved to X-COM: Enemy Unknown, not just changed in the article. Please discuss here before attempting to move again. A namespace change should almost always be discussed first. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 01:31, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Is the Russian novelization of X-COM officially licensed?
I've removed a claim that Terror from the Deep was a licensed port, as the sources I've found all imply the game was developed by Microprose. Just posting here to verify I'm not missing a reputable source making this claim. i kan reed 23:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of starting up a Wikipedia project page for X-COM - the game is under-represented in the encyclopaedia considering the original's impact on the genre. Articles are reasonably messy too and need some maintenance and referencing done.
If you think this project could work, give me a shout on my talk page and I'll fire up the burners! Mouse Nightshirt | talk 17:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
According to the information I've been able to scrounge up, the game was released in the USA before it was in Europe; why is someone making it seem like it's the other way around? 75.88.49.3 17:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's some info on the titles:
I snipped out a few lines regarding the Rebelstar release. It is 'not' X-COM, nor does it follow the X-COM storyline in any way, which is already described at the beginning of the article. It's basically a "sorta-related" release since the Gallop brothers do not have the rights to X-COM. TFX 21:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Original game CD - 1997. Game is called: X-COM:UFO Defense DOS CD-ROM #0-522-40-102 Publisher: Microprose copyright. Mythos Games Ltd and Microprose Ltd. All Rights Reserved. X-COM and MICROPROSE are registered trademarks and X-COM:UFO DEFENSE is a trademark of Microprose Software, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective holders. Rated: Teen Ages 13+ ESRB
This is my CD-ROM of the game with serial number of the CD disk. Version 1 I might add since I know there is the 1.4 patch for this ms-dos game.
Review at Gamespot of game: Dec. 31, 1993 http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/xcomufodefense/index.html
Patch v1.4 Sept.1, 1997
X-COM Collector's Edition (which I also have upgraded to work in Windows turning off DirectDraw or Direct 3D nowadays to make the game play) Nov. 24, 1999 Review at Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/xcomcollectorsedition/index.html
Oh, also if it helps since I remember the game on the shelf the game was X-COM:Enemy Unknown but here in the USA it did not catch on at first, and then it became X-COM:UFO Defense within the same box as shown for the game.
The Gollop brothers originally approached Microprose wishing to produce a sequel to Laser Squad. They had a graphics demo on the Atari ST. At This point their intention was to produce a squad level tactical battle game based on another planet with no extra strategic elements.
Microprose liked the demo but UK publisher Paul Hibbard felt the game should be ‘bigger’ to fit in line with the rest of the MicroProse strategic titles and ideally should have an earth based element. He tasked the development and marketing departments to come up with some ideas to expand the game and present them to the Gollop brothers. Peter Moreland from MicroProse development immediately recognised that there was an opportunity to use many of the elements from a 60’s Gerry Anderson Sci-Fi TV series UFO.
In conjunction with Rob Davies, Tim Roberts and the Gollop Brothers a brain storming session was held and the additional strategic elements were thrashed out including the Geosphere, Interception, Base building, Ufopedia and weapons research, the latter items being adaptations of strategy elements already included in other MicroProse titles such as Civilisation.
Peter Moreland
87.114.1.219 15:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Went to your page... I am a Wikipedia virgin... I couldnt see how to start a new message... When you say you need a ref.. what do you mean? I am telling you the events as I remember them happening. Cheers
Peter Moreland
I disagree with this move, because the person who moved it doesn't seem to have his/her facts straight, and I can't blame him/her, it can get confusing. If you read the current introductory text on the game's page, you'll notice it states that it was released as X-COM: Enemy Unknown and later as UFO: Enemy Unknown in the USA and X-COM: UFO Defense on Steam. This is incorrect. Back when it was first released, it was called UFO: Enemy Unknown in Europe and X-COM: UFO Defense in the USA. X-COM: Enemy Unknown is the title for the (European) Playstation version (released later) as per this article on Mobygames: http://www.mobygames.com/game/playstation/x-com-ufo-defense ; and for visual confirmation, you can check this page on StrategyCore: http://www.strategycore.co.uk/xcom/pg/ufogameversions. Also, X-COM: Enemy Unknown is not the most common name, it is X-COM: UFO Defense. X-COM: UFO Defense is also the official title of the trademark (again, as per USPTO: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=pjve9c.2.7). Finally, I think this could unnecessarily confuse Wikipedia readers - most of the ones searching for the game will know it under either UFO: Enemy Unknown or X-COM: UFO Defense. For those reasons I think it should be returned to how it looked just before the move. I hope I also cleared up some things. :) -- Gibly ( talk) 23:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
It needs to be reverted back to the UFO: Enemy Unknown title. See also #Move from X-COM: UFO Defense to X-COM: Enemy Unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.41.92 ( talk) 14:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Article appears to need a bit of copy editing. I'm happy to take care of this and might get it done later today, or it may be a few days; meanwhile, some other preliminary thoughts:
It's not an RTS. -- Niemti ( talk) 11:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Its legacy is discussed in the series article. English PC reviews from 1994 are extremely hard to obtain; Amiga reviews are plenty and easy to access (AMR) but not representative. -- Niemti ( talk) 11:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
My magazines (Top Secret, Secret Service, Gambler) will be absolutely nothing for anyone not from Poland at that time (like, Secret Service is not even in the disambiguation page, and it was the country's best-selling magazine in the 1990s, and supposedly even in all of Europe [2]). Amiga conversion reviews (including for re-releases): [3] -- Niemti ( talk) 13:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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So that's significant issues against every criteria, including two serious problems; as a result of which I'm failing the nomination. As I said in my initial at-first-glance comments, I'm still happy to help out with copy editing and sourcing content. But having gone through the article more thoroughly, these issues are far too extensive to be done as part of GAN polish up. bridies ( talk) 09:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't have access to most of paper sources added by other editors which made adding names and pages impossible. So I just one standard used one for all of them (an issue).
I thought the reception was actually the strongest part of it. It's a 1994 (or even 1993, according to many so-called reliable sources) game so it's pretty natural the reception will be more recent than that. And I myself added these "lower aggregators" to precisely show how the scores were (relatively) pretty low on the Amiga (as compared to the PC/PSX scores at GameRankings). I don't have this access to many old PC magazines in English and I don't want to add any Polish ones, because they don't even have Wikipedia articles (I think it would just looks non-notable, possibly imaginary).
The two images are to represent the both Geoscape and the Battlescape, something that so many sources emphasize of being so different (you've got "the world" indeed, and then you've got this extreme closup on a Laser Squad type tactical mission with all-different gameplay too).
I'll look into the other stuff. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
And there are PlayStation reviews. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
While WP:LEADCITE does state that a lead repeats what is said (and cited) in the body, it also says: "there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads" and that "editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." Best-ever claims are extraordinary, potentially controversial and need citations whether in the lead or body. Also, synthesising these claims with words such as "various" and "often" is too vague, as is saying that it's listed as "as one of the best video games ever made." What's "one of the best" exactly? Top 3? Top 5? 10? 20? 25? 50? 100? 500? There's a difference between no. 1 and no. 7; no. 7 and no. 12; no. 12 and no. 78. bridies ( talk) 10:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Since we're not quite on the same page here, requested input: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Input requested at UFO: Enemy Unknown. bridies ( talk) 14:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC) Oh, and yeah, it got lots of Game of the Year type awards and such, but it was just before the Internet, and also some 18 years ago. So the Game of Ever awards will have to do. -- Niemti ( talk) 12:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Several sources including IGN
[6] and GameSpot
[7] claim the game was released in 1993 (specifically "Dec 31, 1993" in the US, according to GameSpot). I think I'm quite sure it wasn't, with Gollop himself repeatedly saying the PC version wasn't even ready before March 1994, and I believe the US version arrived there even later. I decided to ignore the date of 1993 altogether, and here I just want inform about it. --
Niemti (
talk) 10:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- some links are dead, "PC Gamer's top 100 PC Games of all time". PC Gamer. February 5, 2010. Retrieved 2010-11-15. - is there any alternate source for this? http://www.gamesradar.com/f/pc-gamers-top-100-pc-games-of-all-time/a-2010012911133649022/p-5 Thelux12 ( talk) 18:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I've started copy editing for basic grammar and such but have been pressed for time today and have only done about half. I should get the rest done tomorrow morning. Aside from the basic grammar and such, here's some points to consider more regarding the tone and style:
Looks better now. I'll try and post up some reference material I have; however this will probably take several days. bridies ( talk) 08:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's the Electronic Gaming Monthly review in brief, for a start. This is for the PlayStation version, but EGM was one of the biggest overall gaming magazines around at the time. Somewhat inconveniently, it uses a panel format, with 4 mini-reviews and 4 scores. Make of that what you will.... Also note the inconsistent capitalisation of X-COM/X-Com/X-com is straight from the source. Anyway:
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bridies ( talk • contribs)
Should we create a new section for:
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An article in Wireframe, where Gollop talks about difficulties of testing the game: [8]. It may be enough for a paragraph. -- Sleeps-Darkly ( talk) 23:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)