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The result of the move request was: not moved. I am closing two move discussions together:
Willapa people and
Willapa. This is because the proposed move of
Willapa people to
Willapa would be possible only if the dab page at
Willapa were moved to
Willapa (disambiguation), and the move of the dab page would make no sense unless the article at
Willapa people was moved. This closing statement is being posted to both discussions, which were made by the same nominator and should really have been made as one joint proposal.
The procedural flaw could justify a procedural close, but I don't think that is necessary. The issue in both cases is whether the article currently at
Willapa people is the primary topic for the term "Willapa". That is the nominator's proposition, but the nomination offered no evidence to support that, and invoked the essay
WP:UNDAB. That essay reflects one view of policy, but it is neither a policy nor a guideline.
The nominator's assertion of primary topic was explicitly countered by the evidence of
User:In ictu oculi, whose
Google Books search shows a geographical usage as primary. That evidence was uncontested.
In the discussion on the dab page, the nominator posted page view statistics as evidence that the people are the primary topic. Those stats showed a ratio of 3:2 page views, with the people as the more widely viewed than the river. However the stats did not include the page views for the other topics listed on the dab page (
Willapa Electric Company,
Willapa Bay or
Willapa Hills). If that evidence had been presented it could only have reduced the apparent prominence of the people as a topic. We don't know whether it would have shown the people to be a minority of all page views, but since the evidence was demonstrably incomplete it cannot be taken as supporting the nominator's view.
The third argument in favour of renaming was an assertion that the word people should be removed per
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). It is unclear whether that guideline reflects community consensus, since it was significantly edited by the nominator during the course of these discussion. In any case, both the
current version of that guideline and the
version created in 2012 both note that several variants of usage are acceptable depending on common usage, the guideline does not resolve the question either way.
So in the absence of any policy-based reason to move, the consensus is weighed as not moved. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 12:08, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Willapa →
Willapa (disambiguation) – this title was
created as dab page on Sep 7 2010 by Babbage. Current title at
"Willapa people" created by myself on Nov 24 2009. cf.
Talk:Willapa people#Requested move and please discuss there.
Skookum1 (
talk) 07:18, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. I am closing two move discussions together:
Willapa people and
Willapa. This is because the proposed move of
Willapa people to
Willapa would be possible only if the dab page at
Willapa were moved to
Willapa (disambiguation), and the move of the dab page would make no sense unless the article at
Willapa people was moved. This closing statement is being posted to both discussions, which were made by the same nominator and should really have been made as one joint proposal.
The procedural flaw could justify a procedural close, but I don't think that is necessary. The issue in both cases is whether the article currently at
Willapa people is the primary topic for the term "Willapa". That is the nominator's proposition, but the nomination offered no evidence to support that, and invoked the essay
WP:UNDAB. That essay reflects one view of policy, but it is neither a policy nor a guideline.
The nominator's assertion of primary topic was explicitly countered by the evidence of
User:In ictu oculi, whose
Google Books search shows a geographical usage as primary. That evidence was uncontested.
In the discussion on the dab page, the nominator posted page view statistics as evidence that the people are the primary topic. Those stats showed a ratio of 3:2 page views, with the people as the more widely viewed than the river. However the stats did not include the page views for the other topics listed on the dab page (
Willapa Electric Company,
Willapa Bay or
Willapa Hills). If that evidence had been presented it could only have reduced the apparent prominence of the people as a topic. We don't know whether it would have shown the people to be a minority of all page views, but since the evidence was demonstrably incomplete it cannot be taken as supporting the nominator's view.
The third argument in favour of renaming was an assertion that the word people should be removed per
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). It is unclear whether that guideline reflects community consensus, since it was significantly edited by the nominator during the course of these discussion. In any case, both the
current version of that guideline and the
version created in 2012 both note that several variants of usage are acceptable depending on common usage, the guideline does not resolve the question either way.
So in the absence of any policy-based reason to move, the consensus is weighed as not moved. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 12:08, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Willapa →
Willapa (disambiguation) – this title was
created as dab page on Sep 7 2010 by Babbage. Current title at
"Willapa people" created by myself on Nov 24 2009. cf.
Talk:Willapa people#Requested move and please discuss there.
Skookum1 (
talk) 07:18, 20 March 2014 (UTC)