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Do you have to be a certain age to create an account for Wikipedia ??? Jetstar888 04:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Policy information should really be concentrated into one section as much as possible. Currently policy links are littered all over the article, which is part of the reason there are so many of them. The "features" section, for instance, devolves into policy talk after the first paragraph.
I'm going to try to come up with a new logical layout for the article first rather than shuffling things about incrementally. Chris Cunningham 12:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I started to edit the current "features" section, the content of which I find rather odd, but in the process I started to think the article needs more reorganization. Thoughts on my thoughts?
Hm, I intended this post to be less specific and more organizational, but apparently I can't see the forest for the trees. I'm only being this nitpicky because I was asked to point a critical eye this way. I'll let Chris above make any reorganizational suggestions he has in mind. Opabinia regalis 05:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
they need to be alerted every time someone makes a change to an article minor changes are just put off. it causes it to have a bad reputatiopn[ [1]]also it should be that only users and the people in charge of wiki can change other people's work. Caleb M. 00:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I mistagged this because I was in a hurry. This is an essay. The section should be disassembled. As-is it's disrputing the flow of the article by essentially trying to be its own comparative essay. Chris Cunningham 14:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
F: I say never say never, to comment in reference to not using an Encyclopedia as a source in academic research. There are many questions over all kinds of new and ever-changing technologies in education. Certainly, questions may be raised over the validity and reliability of a citation from Wikipedia in an academic paper. However, whether doing so is deserving of an "F" should itself be questioned and addressed. My opinion is that instructors should encourage students to think critically and examine the reliability of content for themselves rather than making the absolute statement of NEVER! -- Kenneth M Burke 19:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Please fix the link that calls Wikipedia a "non profit organisation" and change it to the correct spelling, "organization"
The current article states, "Wikipedia receives over 2000 page requests per second.". Last time I heard, the number was 30,000. Who is correct? Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 19:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the reason why it isn't listed here because of different cultures, nationalities, etc, pronouncing it different? I say Wick-kuh-peed-dee-uh (like Wicca) instead of Wee-kee-peed-dee-uh. Just curious. Disinclination 20:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I always pronounce the e like in egg whereas many English speakers pronounce it like in pea, SqueakBox 04:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I say wee-kah 18:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)Blh1527
I just burp. -- NEMT 00:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm just one person, but I hope that you will consider this constructive criticism. I know that there can be differences of writing style, some preferring a richer 19th-century style while others favor a terse Hemingway-like style. Likewise, I know that there may be differences of opinion on what should be included here, or how much weight or background any given facet of Wikipedia should be given.
That said, in my assessment, the ACID has been disastrous for this article. I hope that no one will accuse me of being disloyal to Wikipedia or its ideal of open collaboration, but the present state of this article seems like wonderful supporting evidence for Jorge Cauz's statement that WP is a mass of random trivia, poor organization and wretched writing. The single-sentence paragraphs, the lack of flow within paragraphs, the broken connections between paragraphs, the weak large-scale architecture in the article, the huge number of references for a paltry amount of data, the lack of distinction between important and trivial facts, interesting and boring...one could go on and on and on. Does anyone think that this is presently a good article that reflects well on Wikipedia?
It's not clear how it happened, but it seems to be a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kind of problem: severe systemic disagreements among editors on what should be covered and how. My suggestion is that the active editors agree on an overall size and structure of the article (and its lead) first, and then integrate the far-flung factoids into well-written paragraphs within that structure. It seems like 4 major sections would be good, say, Goals and Implementation, History, Encyclopedic assessment, and Impact. "Implementation" would cover the editorial policies, practices and sociology, along with the hardware/software. If the active editors could agree on a detailed article organization first, that might forestall others from massively rearranging and disemboweling their collective hard work afterwards; they could explain their rationale by pointing to an agreed-upon organization. That would give us the hope of building a stable article by consensus, rather than something that will be torn down over and over again.
I'm very sorry to be so negative about the state of the article, but it's my honest assessment and I'm only saying it with the hope and goal of its eventual improvement. Sometimes it's healthier to acknowledge problems, so that we can deal with them and make progress. However, I also understand that others may not have the same perspective. Willow 13:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The difficulty of not having an agreed-upon outline and space-budget, as I see it, is that editors may have sincerely-felt differences of opinion about the writing and coverage; since the work of a week can be undone in an hour, editors may despair of ever reaching a stable version. Despair is harm indeed. We all must accept that Wikipedia's words are written in water, and shouldn't hold our own work too dear, but it's hard to devote yourself whole-heartedly to an article if one imagines that someone is waiting for you to finish so that they can incinerate your efforts. If we agree and plan in advance, the article will be better organized and better written, and would allow us to explain to eager newcomers why they should be conservative in reverting, what the organizational rationale was. Given a topic as complex and controversial as Wikipedia, a plan would also help us to cover everything without being redundant, and to understand each other's perspectives re:writing and coverage. That would be my suggestion, at least, for making a more stable and better written article. Willow 11:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we be using the cite templates in this article? It gives the references more semantic information, and standardizes them. Any objections to changing the citation format? CloudNine 13:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if there is already, but there should be an article on how Wikipedia is managed editorially. For instance, I don't know how one becomes an editor with certain powers, or how this authority has evolved over time. I know that there is a whole editorial world that many Wikipedia contributors know nothing about. I came to the Wikipedia article to see how this hierarchy is managed to find only general explanations. There must be a pyramidal hierarchy that we can elucidate and define. ~ Rollo44 21:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone mind the creation of an article which explains fully the powers of adminship, how policy is formed at the top, what kind of tensions over policy there have been, etc, etc? While I find the explanations in the article Wikipedia acceptable, I think there should be a more detailed article available. It's just too difficult for the average person to navigate the Wikipedia subpages to learn about this stuff. And since Wikipedia has become so popular and important, information regarding the above is no longer esoteric and of concern only to those involved. ~ Rollo44 22:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I see that there are some people who don't like the idea. Is there anyone who thinks it may be a good idea? ~ Rollo44 04:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
If the editors of Wikipedia are going to determine that webcomics are "Not Notable" with followings for individual webcomics number in the thousands, then I suppose that Wikipedia itself should then be classified as NOT NOTABLE.
72.84.62.114 00:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Where is the image for our logo? I have looked all over and have not found it. Thanks, Megalodon99 (Talk) 13:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
is not /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/ (with an /ɪ/ in the place of the first /i/) also acceptable/commonly used? I realise the original Hawaiian is /wiki/, but I think a more naturalised english pronunciation would use /ɪ/. -- Krsont 22:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm from the Silicon Valley and most people I know pronounce it: /ˌwɪːkəˈpiːdi.ə/ with a schwa [ə] in the second syllable. Vowels such as [i] are usually reduced in unstressed environments such as the one in question.
67.170.232.152 09:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
There used to be a graph of Wikipedia's growth on this page. A few months ago, it got out of date, and apparently it's been removed. I would really like to see it back. Any suggestions? 66.250.190.112 20:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Why would anyone vandalize a article about the site if there on it. Themasterofwiki 19:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
You could equally ask why do people vandalise wikipedia at all. The sad and frustrating partial answer is that 95% at least is kids, perhaps much higher than that though there are a few deliberate adult vandals, see Wikipedia Watch, SqueakBox 05:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
on the citation it only appears one of the two mentioned sources, anyone knows the other source?
I think its wrong that on the Swedish version of Wikipedia you can't say what you want to with out being blocked for let say 24 hours or so. And you be blocked for no appearent reason like if you tell that you dont agree on something toally silly the other person or someone else of that persons allies block you. There is something wrong with the wikipedia system it makes people powerhungry and people block each other just becuase they can. But i dont think their is a way to improve it because it has already fallen apart at least in the Swedish version. And i think the english wikipedia is heading towards the same situation, where all conversations is about "you are doing this, and you are doing that wrong " and so on.This should be a happy and fun place to be, but thats also the problem when people get even power over something as small as other people on a article writing page it goes out of hand. matrix17, 19:18, 14 February 2007
Is the Wikimedia Foundation running out of money? I ams seeing references to this on a number of sites, and I'm not sure whether to believe them at this point. Where would I go to find information on Wikimedia's financial situation? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
YouTube were in a serious financial predicament. The idea that a site worth the money that wikipedia is worth would crash from the lack of a few dollars is lol ridiculous, SqueakBox 23:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Personaly, I am for having opt-in ads on wikimedia sites. ffm yes? 20:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
HOW THE HECK DO I MAKE ONE OF THOSE MINI-WIKI'S ON THIS SITE!!!! when ever i try, it says "There is no wiki by that name. Would you like to create it?" i click, and it starts all over again, and it goes around like that! HELP ME!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xlr8 the Hedgehog ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Here's an example: http://editthis.info/the_hero_wiki/Main_page Xlr8 the Hedgehog ( talk • contribs) 9:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
Has anyone ever mentioned that "criticism" sections tend to politicize every single goddamned issue on Wikipedia? Has anyone ever written anything about this?-- Rotten 10:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
what of that kid who became a mod by pretending he was a proffessor of religion? or microsoft bribing wikipedia? they aren't every day things, and seem pretty significant
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070217/tc_pcworld/129135 -- 216.164.24.232 08:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the Portmanteau article itself says that portmanteau is a "historical" term that "has been eliminated in modern linguistics," oughtn't this article use the modern term, Blend? Seeing the P-word right there in the lead section of such a keystone article only adds to the portmandemic currently plaguing Wikipedia. Fishal 21:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't we need some fair use rationale for the images containing the logos. Without them, that's copyrighted content with no claim of fair use! Sure this is Wikipedia but...don't we need it anyway? -- WikiSlasher 10:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
These should stay. The editor who deleted them wrongly claimed the list of foreign language wikipedia articles was the same which of course it isnt, these are all wikipedia in English articles, SqueakBox 18:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put them in List of Wikipedias as it is vital we give this info somehwere, that was a soft redirect to meta but these are en.wikipedia articles and need linking to as such, SqueakBox 18:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is like an all you can eat buffet for the hungry mind. RSido 18:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Technically speaking, shouldn't (with the increasing elitism, increasing inaccuracy, increasing corruption of the admins, increasing refusal by educational institutions to accept references from Wikipedia) shouldn't Wikipedia be marked as non-notable? Self-congratulatory masturbation aside, I mean. 203.191.175.140 22:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is dead. -- AnYoNe! 23:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
When it comes to esoteric details about items of POPULAR CULTURE, Britannica and Encarta cannot hold a flame to Wikipedia. I don't know why this is not mentioned in this article. Shall I be forced to put this in myself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paroswiki ( talk • contribs).}
I don't think the pronunciation is /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/, it should be /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/ or at most /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/. The same holds for the alternative pronunciation, /ˌwiːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/. 83.190.200.245 08:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
"Wiki" as a word is pronounced differently from the first part of "Wikipedia". I don't dispute that there are two variations of the same pronunciation, but they are both wrong in this article. Two problems: extra "ː" symbols and confusing/inconsistent "." as syllable separator. 205.228.73.11 09:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I know what "ː" are and also what "." means in IPA. Do you? Please re-read my proposal. Everybody I know pronounces it /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/ or at most /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/. The latter, incidentally, is how the reader of the audio article pronounces it. Please let's be consistent and remove those extra symbols. Thanks. 83.67.217.254 06:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you put it that way you are even less representative. Anyway, what can you tell me about the way it's pronounced in the audio article? 205.228.74.13 13:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
None of the above discusses IPA. All this "wih-kuh" stuff is ambiguous, nonstandard and inaccurate (precisely why IPA was invented), and best left to amateurs. To my best interpretation, none of that rubbish corresponds to either /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/ or /ˌwiːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/, which means that they are definitely not "the most common ones". Also, please note that "Wikipedia" is not an "original Hawaiian word". In any case, at the very least the wording in the intro should make it clear that those pronunciations are only a few among many different pronunciations. Obviously, a reference to a reliable source would be best. I insist that the version used in the audio article should at least be mentioned for consistency, but really, I am more and more convinced that whoever put those two pronunciations simply got it wrong. I have seen a lot of IPA pronunciations around that were overly elaborated, presumably because it's cool to show off so many funny symbols. By the way, what about the "."? Do you really believe that Wikipedia is made of two sillables? Either we use this symbol properly, or we leave it out altogether, which I think would be best. You may "not really care", but I do. 205.228.74.12 08:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
"diə" is never pronounced as one syllable in English, because "iə" is not an English diphtong. Therefore the "." is redundant, and either it should be omitted or else all syllables should be marked.
Where would /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/ occur in the rubbish above? Note that whatever the answer this would be entirely your interpretation, as there is no one-to-one correspondence between rubbish and IPA.
I can't see any reference to my claiming that the second pronunciation given in the article is /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/, which incidentally somebody wisely simplified in the meantime (though it is still wrong).
I am well aware that "wiki" is a Hawaiian word, and how it is pronounced, but neither its original pronunciation nor its current pronunciation need have anything to do with the pronunciation of the word "Wikipedia". Else we would all be pronouncing "email" quite differently, wouldn't we?
My original suggestion, which remains the current suggestion, is either /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/ or /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/ (and the same for the "i" alternative pronunciation). The reason why it is "quite in contrast with the current /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/" is that the latter is quite wrong. It is not true that I have offered no explanation for my proposal other than that that is the way I pronounce it. I have made a clear reference to the audio file that is inconsistent with the current IPA. A reference that you either have already forgotten or are choosing to ignore. 205.228.73.11 11:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
There was a 3-4 minute segment on Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room today, It was on Wiki and politics, specifically the 08 Presidential Candidates. They discussed the inherent drawback of letting anyone edit, but explained that articles like these have many people (and Admins) 'guarding' them - and also explained that many of these articles do not let 'non accounts' edit. They showed a close up of the lock icon, and showed the pages of McCain, Romney, Obama, and maybe another. There might be a transcript. - FaAfA (yap) 06:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
When attempting to edit this page, the page notes that editing is semi protected so only established users may edit. What is an established user? (I assume I am one since I can edit this page.) Gagueci 16:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This is not currently the case. I was able to register and edit this article immediately. 205.228.74.11 09:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Here it is. The account was created 3 minutes earlier. 83.67.217.254 21:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
This has to do with the Wikipedia article's current inclusion in the advertising-free websites category. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. This is not meant to be a debate on whether or not the inclusion of the Virgin Unite logo was legitimate. Thanks, Alsandair 20:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Um, may I ask what you meant by this edit? JoshuaZ 04:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If this is what you remember seeing, it was a notification that Virgin Unite was matching donations to the Wikimedia foundation for a while during the fund-raising drive; it wasn't an ad. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 05:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, given that no one else has responded, I'm going to re-remove Wikipedia from the "no-ads" category. Hopefully this time I won't be reverted within minutes :) Alsandair 04:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This articles gives a good overview, but it should link to more information. I can't find information of article types, e.g. those "Wikipedia:Something"-articles or the syntax of this wikipedia markup language. Could someone add a link to a page where you can get detailed informations? Thank you. 130.83.72.81 15:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Try English Wikipedia, SqueakBox 17:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks like Wikipedia got an award in Italy! Anyone know anything about this? - Ta bu shi da yu 04:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Google search I never realized Wikipedia had such bad press, until I stumbled on these search results. Anyone who wants to write about "Will Wikipedia Run Out of Money and Disappear", based on these search results is welcomed too. Travb ( talk) 12:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw Wikipedia's Test Wiki at http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. What is it, and can I put a link to it from the Wikipedia article? Wikiman232 19:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
If such review does not take place I suggest policy be enforced on all articles and not as selectively as currently. Wikipedia used to be free of prejudice however some categories especially are being hindered entirely from expanding, whereas other types of areas have vast arrays of articles that would never meet notability guidelines as stands, yet are allowed to exist.
At least enforcement should be consistent and applied to all major articles instead of focusing on newly created stubs in areas of wikipedia that could need help growing instead of hindrance.
glaringly obvious: this article should not exist.
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because its wikipedia. if you get results for google on google, its ok for wikipedia Bearflip 07:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I see we have an audio pronunciation of wikipedia. Do we have a source that it is pronounced correctly? If not perhaps the pronunciation is wrong in which case it should be removed, SqueakBox 01:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Why in the world would you need a wikipedia page for wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bearflip ( talk • contribs) 07:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
How was the wikipedia logo originally made? Was it an image? A 3d model? If so, is there a copy of it somewhere?
The third paragraph gives only brief information regarding the critics of wikipedia. If this page is to exist it should no doubt give a full range of problems cited by critics in the interest of balance. If wikipedia does not do this then we can conclude that the article is biased and should be removed anyway. The short section given is also appears to be defensive and should be expanded to a greater degree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bswartz ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
What version of Mediawiki is Wikipedia using? Should this be added to the article? 70.104.16.217 17:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
should some1 put wikipedia in different languages......i thought it'd be useful and interesting ksmith3 21:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
See List of Wikipedias which I had puit here but someone reverted me. Feel free to bring them back here. Not having the list on wikipedia is not acceptable, SqueakBox 22:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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Do you have to be a certain age to create an account for Wikipedia ??? Jetstar888 04:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Policy information should really be concentrated into one section as much as possible. Currently policy links are littered all over the article, which is part of the reason there are so many of them. The "features" section, for instance, devolves into policy talk after the first paragraph.
I'm going to try to come up with a new logical layout for the article first rather than shuffling things about incrementally. Chris Cunningham 12:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I started to edit the current "features" section, the content of which I find rather odd, but in the process I started to think the article needs more reorganization. Thoughts on my thoughts?
Hm, I intended this post to be less specific and more organizational, but apparently I can't see the forest for the trees. I'm only being this nitpicky because I was asked to point a critical eye this way. I'll let Chris above make any reorganizational suggestions he has in mind. Opabinia regalis 05:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
they need to be alerted every time someone makes a change to an article minor changes are just put off. it causes it to have a bad reputatiopn[ [1]]also it should be that only users and the people in charge of wiki can change other people's work. Caleb M. 00:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I mistagged this because I was in a hurry. This is an essay. The section should be disassembled. As-is it's disrputing the flow of the article by essentially trying to be its own comparative essay. Chris Cunningham 14:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
F: I say never say never, to comment in reference to not using an Encyclopedia as a source in academic research. There are many questions over all kinds of new and ever-changing technologies in education. Certainly, questions may be raised over the validity and reliability of a citation from Wikipedia in an academic paper. However, whether doing so is deserving of an "F" should itself be questioned and addressed. My opinion is that instructors should encourage students to think critically and examine the reliability of content for themselves rather than making the absolute statement of NEVER! -- Kenneth M Burke 19:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Please fix the link that calls Wikipedia a "non profit organisation" and change it to the correct spelling, "organization"
The current article states, "Wikipedia receives over 2000 page requests per second.". Last time I heard, the number was 30,000. Who is correct? Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 19:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the reason why it isn't listed here because of different cultures, nationalities, etc, pronouncing it different? I say Wick-kuh-peed-dee-uh (like Wicca) instead of Wee-kee-peed-dee-uh. Just curious. Disinclination 20:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I always pronounce the e like in egg whereas many English speakers pronounce it like in pea, SqueakBox 04:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I say wee-kah 18:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)Blh1527
I just burp. -- NEMT 00:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm just one person, but I hope that you will consider this constructive criticism. I know that there can be differences of writing style, some preferring a richer 19th-century style while others favor a terse Hemingway-like style. Likewise, I know that there may be differences of opinion on what should be included here, or how much weight or background any given facet of Wikipedia should be given.
That said, in my assessment, the ACID has been disastrous for this article. I hope that no one will accuse me of being disloyal to Wikipedia or its ideal of open collaboration, but the present state of this article seems like wonderful supporting evidence for Jorge Cauz's statement that WP is a mass of random trivia, poor organization and wretched writing. The single-sentence paragraphs, the lack of flow within paragraphs, the broken connections between paragraphs, the weak large-scale architecture in the article, the huge number of references for a paltry amount of data, the lack of distinction between important and trivial facts, interesting and boring...one could go on and on and on. Does anyone think that this is presently a good article that reflects well on Wikipedia?
It's not clear how it happened, but it seems to be a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kind of problem: severe systemic disagreements among editors on what should be covered and how. My suggestion is that the active editors agree on an overall size and structure of the article (and its lead) first, and then integrate the far-flung factoids into well-written paragraphs within that structure. It seems like 4 major sections would be good, say, Goals and Implementation, History, Encyclopedic assessment, and Impact. "Implementation" would cover the editorial policies, practices and sociology, along with the hardware/software. If the active editors could agree on a detailed article organization first, that might forestall others from massively rearranging and disemboweling their collective hard work afterwards; they could explain their rationale by pointing to an agreed-upon organization. That would give us the hope of building a stable article by consensus, rather than something that will be torn down over and over again.
I'm very sorry to be so negative about the state of the article, but it's my honest assessment and I'm only saying it with the hope and goal of its eventual improvement. Sometimes it's healthier to acknowledge problems, so that we can deal with them and make progress. However, I also understand that others may not have the same perspective. Willow 13:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The difficulty of not having an agreed-upon outline and space-budget, as I see it, is that editors may have sincerely-felt differences of opinion about the writing and coverage; since the work of a week can be undone in an hour, editors may despair of ever reaching a stable version. Despair is harm indeed. We all must accept that Wikipedia's words are written in water, and shouldn't hold our own work too dear, but it's hard to devote yourself whole-heartedly to an article if one imagines that someone is waiting for you to finish so that they can incinerate your efforts. If we agree and plan in advance, the article will be better organized and better written, and would allow us to explain to eager newcomers why they should be conservative in reverting, what the organizational rationale was. Given a topic as complex and controversial as Wikipedia, a plan would also help us to cover everything without being redundant, and to understand each other's perspectives re:writing and coverage. That would be my suggestion, at least, for making a more stable and better written article. Willow 11:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we be using the cite templates in this article? It gives the references more semantic information, and standardizes them. Any objections to changing the citation format? CloudNine 13:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if there is already, but there should be an article on how Wikipedia is managed editorially. For instance, I don't know how one becomes an editor with certain powers, or how this authority has evolved over time. I know that there is a whole editorial world that many Wikipedia contributors know nothing about. I came to the Wikipedia article to see how this hierarchy is managed to find only general explanations. There must be a pyramidal hierarchy that we can elucidate and define. ~ Rollo44 21:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone mind the creation of an article which explains fully the powers of adminship, how policy is formed at the top, what kind of tensions over policy there have been, etc, etc? While I find the explanations in the article Wikipedia acceptable, I think there should be a more detailed article available. It's just too difficult for the average person to navigate the Wikipedia subpages to learn about this stuff. And since Wikipedia has become so popular and important, information regarding the above is no longer esoteric and of concern only to those involved. ~ Rollo44 22:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I see that there are some people who don't like the idea. Is there anyone who thinks it may be a good idea? ~ Rollo44 04:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
If the editors of Wikipedia are going to determine that webcomics are "Not Notable" with followings for individual webcomics number in the thousands, then I suppose that Wikipedia itself should then be classified as NOT NOTABLE.
72.84.62.114 00:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Where is the image for our logo? I have looked all over and have not found it. Thanks, Megalodon99 (Talk) 13:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
is not /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/ (with an /ɪ/ in the place of the first /i/) also acceptable/commonly used? I realise the original Hawaiian is /wiki/, but I think a more naturalised english pronunciation would use /ɪ/. -- Krsont 22:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm from the Silicon Valley and most people I know pronounce it: /ˌwɪːkəˈpiːdi.ə/ with a schwa [ə] in the second syllable. Vowels such as [i] are usually reduced in unstressed environments such as the one in question.
67.170.232.152 09:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
There used to be a graph of Wikipedia's growth on this page. A few months ago, it got out of date, and apparently it's been removed. I would really like to see it back. Any suggestions? 66.250.190.112 20:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Why would anyone vandalize a article about the site if there on it. Themasterofwiki 19:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
You could equally ask why do people vandalise wikipedia at all. The sad and frustrating partial answer is that 95% at least is kids, perhaps much higher than that though there are a few deliberate adult vandals, see Wikipedia Watch, SqueakBox 05:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
on the citation it only appears one of the two mentioned sources, anyone knows the other source?
I think its wrong that on the Swedish version of Wikipedia you can't say what you want to with out being blocked for let say 24 hours or so. And you be blocked for no appearent reason like if you tell that you dont agree on something toally silly the other person or someone else of that persons allies block you. There is something wrong with the wikipedia system it makes people powerhungry and people block each other just becuase they can. But i dont think their is a way to improve it because it has already fallen apart at least in the Swedish version. And i think the english wikipedia is heading towards the same situation, where all conversations is about "you are doing this, and you are doing that wrong " and so on.This should be a happy and fun place to be, but thats also the problem when people get even power over something as small as other people on a article writing page it goes out of hand. matrix17, 19:18, 14 February 2007
Is the Wikimedia Foundation running out of money? I ams seeing references to this on a number of sites, and I'm not sure whether to believe them at this point. Where would I go to find information on Wikimedia's financial situation? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 23:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
YouTube were in a serious financial predicament. The idea that a site worth the money that wikipedia is worth would crash from the lack of a few dollars is lol ridiculous, SqueakBox 23:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Personaly, I am for having opt-in ads on wikimedia sites. ffm yes? 20:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
HOW THE HECK DO I MAKE ONE OF THOSE MINI-WIKI'S ON THIS SITE!!!! when ever i try, it says "There is no wiki by that name. Would you like to create it?" i click, and it starts all over again, and it goes around like that! HELP ME!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xlr8 the Hedgehog ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Here's an example: http://editthis.info/the_hero_wiki/Main_page Xlr8 the Hedgehog ( talk • contribs) 9:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
Has anyone ever mentioned that "criticism" sections tend to politicize every single goddamned issue on Wikipedia? Has anyone ever written anything about this?-- Rotten 10:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
what of that kid who became a mod by pretending he was a proffessor of religion? or microsoft bribing wikipedia? they aren't every day things, and seem pretty significant
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070217/tc_pcworld/129135 -- 216.164.24.232 08:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the Portmanteau article itself says that portmanteau is a "historical" term that "has been eliminated in modern linguistics," oughtn't this article use the modern term, Blend? Seeing the P-word right there in the lead section of such a keystone article only adds to the portmandemic currently plaguing Wikipedia. Fishal 21:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't we need some fair use rationale for the images containing the logos. Without them, that's copyrighted content with no claim of fair use! Sure this is Wikipedia but...don't we need it anyway? -- WikiSlasher 10:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
These should stay. The editor who deleted them wrongly claimed the list of foreign language wikipedia articles was the same which of course it isnt, these are all wikipedia in English articles, SqueakBox 18:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put them in List of Wikipedias as it is vital we give this info somehwere, that was a soft redirect to meta but these are en.wikipedia articles and need linking to as such, SqueakBox 18:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is like an all you can eat buffet for the hungry mind. RSido 18:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Technically speaking, shouldn't (with the increasing elitism, increasing inaccuracy, increasing corruption of the admins, increasing refusal by educational institutions to accept references from Wikipedia) shouldn't Wikipedia be marked as non-notable? Self-congratulatory masturbation aside, I mean. 203.191.175.140 22:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is dead. -- AnYoNe! 23:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
When it comes to esoteric details about items of POPULAR CULTURE, Britannica and Encarta cannot hold a flame to Wikipedia. I don't know why this is not mentioned in this article. Shall I be forced to put this in myself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paroswiki ( talk • contribs).}
I don't think the pronunciation is /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/, it should be /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/ or at most /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/. The same holds for the alternative pronunciation, /ˌwiːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/. 83.190.200.245 08:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
"Wiki" as a word is pronounced differently from the first part of "Wikipedia". I don't dispute that there are two variations of the same pronunciation, but they are both wrong in this article. Two problems: extra "ː" symbols and confusing/inconsistent "." as syllable separator. 205.228.73.11 09:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I know what "ː" are and also what "." means in IPA. Do you? Please re-read my proposal. Everybody I know pronounces it /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/ or at most /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/. The latter, incidentally, is how the reader of the audio article pronounces it. Please let's be consistent and remove those extra symbols. Thanks. 83.67.217.254 06:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you put it that way you are even less representative. Anyway, what can you tell me about the way it's pronounced in the audio article? 205.228.74.13 13:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
None of the above discusses IPA. All this "wih-kuh" stuff is ambiguous, nonstandard and inaccurate (precisely why IPA was invented), and best left to amateurs. To my best interpretation, none of that rubbish corresponds to either /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/ or /ˌwiːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/, which means that they are definitely not "the most common ones". Also, please note that "Wikipedia" is not an "original Hawaiian word". In any case, at the very least the wording in the intro should make it clear that those pronunciations are only a few among many different pronunciations. Obviously, a reference to a reliable source would be best. I insist that the version used in the audio article should at least be mentioned for consistency, but really, I am more and more convinced that whoever put those two pronunciations simply got it wrong. I have seen a lot of IPA pronunciations around that were overly elaborated, presumably because it's cool to show off so many funny symbols. By the way, what about the "."? Do you really believe that Wikipedia is made of two sillables? Either we use this symbol properly, or we leave it out altogether, which I think would be best. You may "not really care", but I do. 205.228.74.12 08:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
"diə" is never pronounced as one syllable in English, because "iə" is not an English diphtong. Therefore the "." is redundant, and either it should be omitted or else all syllables should be marked.
Where would /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/ occur in the rubbish above? Note that whatever the answer this would be entirely your interpretation, as there is no one-to-one correspondence between rubbish and IPA.
I can't see any reference to my claiming that the second pronunciation given in the article is /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/, which incidentally somebody wisely simplified in the meantime (though it is still wrong).
I am well aware that "wiki" is a Hawaiian word, and how it is pronounced, but neither its original pronunciation nor its current pronunciation need have anything to do with the pronunciation of the word "Wikipedia". Else we would all be pronouncing "email" quite differently, wouldn't we?
My original suggestion, which remains the current suggestion, is either /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/ or /ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/ (and the same for the "i" alternative pronunciation). The reason why it is "quite in contrast with the current /ˌwɪːkiːˈpiːdi.ə/" is that the latter is quite wrong. It is not true that I have offered no explanation for my proposal other than that that is the way I pronounce it. I have made a clear reference to the audio file that is inconsistent with the current IPA. A reference that you either have already forgotten or are choosing to ignore. 205.228.73.11 11:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
There was a 3-4 minute segment on Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room today, It was on Wiki and politics, specifically the 08 Presidential Candidates. They discussed the inherent drawback of letting anyone edit, but explained that articles like these have many people (and Admins) 'guarding' them - and also explained that many of these articles do not let 'non accounts' edit. They showed a close up of the lock icon, and showed the pages of McCain, Romney, Obama, and maybe another. There might be a transcript. - FaAfA (yap) 06:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
When attempting to edit this page, the page notes that editing is semi protected so only established users may edit. What is an established user? (I assume I am one since I can edit this page.) Gagueci 16:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This is not currently the case. I was able to register and edit this article immediately. 205.228.74.11 09:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Here it is. The account was created 3 minutes earlier. 83.67.217.254 21:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
This has to do with the Wikipedia article's current inclusion in the advertising-free websites category. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. This is not meant to be a debate on whether or not the inclusion of the Virgin Unite logo was legitimate. Thanks, Alsandair 20:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Um, may I ask what you meant by this edit? JoshuaZ 04:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If this is what you remember seeing, it was a notification that Virgin Unite was matching donations to the Wikimedia foundation for a while during the fund-raising drive; it wasn't an ad. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 05:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, given that no one else has responded, I'm going to re-remove Wikipedia from the "no-ads" category. Hopefully this time I won't be reverted within minutes :) Alsandair 04:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This articles gives a good overview, but it should link to more information. I can't find information of article types, e.g. those "Wikipedia:Something"-articles or the syntax of this wikipedia markup language. Could someone add a link to a page where you can get detailed informations? Thank you. 130.83.72.81 15:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Try English Wikipedia, SqueakBox 17:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks like Wikipedia got an award in Italy! Anyone know anything about this? - Ta bu shi da yu 04:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Google search I never realized Wikipedia had such bad press, until I stumbled on these search results. Anyone who wants to write about "Will Wikipedia Run Out of Money and Disappear", based on these search results is welcomed too. Travb ( talk) 12:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw Wikipedia's Test Wiki at http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. What is it, and can I put a link to it from the Wikipedia article? Wikiman232 19:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
If such review does not take place I suggest policy be enforced on all articles and not as selectively as currently. Wikipedia used to be free of prejudice however some categories especially are being hindered entirely from expanding, whereas other types of areas have vast arrays of articles that would never meet notability guidelines as stands, yet are allowed to exist.
At least enforcement should be consistent and applied to all major articles instead of focusing on newly created stubs in areas of wikipedia that could need help growing instead of hindrance.
glaringly obvious: this article should not exist.
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because its wikipedia. if you get results for google on google, its ok for wikipedia Bearflip 07:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I see we have an audio pronunciation of wikipedia. Do we have a source that it is pronounced correctly? If not perhaps the pronunciation is wrong in which case it should be removed, SqueakBox 01:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Why in the world would you need a wikipedia page for wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bearflip ( talk • contribs) 07:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
How was the wikipedia logo originally made? Was it an image? A 3d model? If so, is there a copy of it somewhere?
The third paragraph gives only brief information regarding the critics of wikipedia. If this page is to exist it should no doubt give a full range of problems cited by critics in the interest of balance. If wikipedia does not do this then we can conclude that the article is biased and should be removed anyway. The short section given is also appears to be defensive and should be expanded to a greater degree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bswartz ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
What version of Mediawiki is Wikipedia using? Should this be added to the article? 70.104.16.217 17:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
should some1 put wikipedia in different languages......i thought it'd be useful and interesting ksmith3 21:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
See List of Wikipedias which I had puit here but someone reverted me. Feel free to bring them back here. Not having the list on wikipedia is not acceptable, SqueakBox 22:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)