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Notable exposures WP:RECENT

As I was reviewing the article, I noticed the White House COVID-19 outbreak#Notable exposures table. There was a conversation over the Category, with the decision to WP:SPEEDY for BLP concerns. There are sources stating the status of these individual, but that does not prove the notability of said subjects in this article. My question is, "Do we list attendees of said events?" IMO, unless the person has tested positive, there is no notability of said person in this article. -- intelati talk 20:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply

As Covid-19 takes up to 14 days for symptoms to appear a single negative test in fewer than 14 days from exposure to those who do test positive is not sufficient, reliable sources are noting these individuals for this reason. That said, I think collapsing the negatives into a list instead of a table once we're out past 14 days of Trump's first negative test would make sense. The event described in the article involves everyone who had contact during these events and, given that most are notable themselves due to positions in government, religion, or civic life, their exposure to this outbreak is notable. TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 20:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply
(Cleaning up paragraphing)
As we move on from this outbreak, what is notable? That the exposure itself happened, people have tested positive, and people were hospitalized. How can we cover the exposure? Does it require listing the attendees? I don't think so. I don't even think a list is necessary.- intelati talk 20:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  • I agree that WP:RECENT is something to be aware of with this. I think the section on Recentism as a positive, is particularly applicable. Within a few months we'll certainly have more and deeper researched information about this event. In the longer scope, I think in ten years time this particular event will stand out as an important moment in Covid-19 as, with the exception of Iran, it is to date the only Covid-19 outbreak to have an impact on so many of a nation's government officials and leaders, leading to the quarantine of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (though not all tested positive) for example. Politically who knows, though it is responsible for changes in the debate schedule and so on, further distance from this moment will be required to know whether it's important politically. But in terms of governance it's definitely going to be in the "this will be improved later as more detailed information comes to light." TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 20:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply
There was a superspreader event at the seat of the executive branch -- government officials who were impacted should be noted, even if they didn't contract the disease. What's more, there's a good argument to be made for listing every attendee who has a bio. The list of attendees included Ralph Reed, Liberty University president Jerry Prevo, Franklin Graham, Jack Graham, Paula White. Feoffer ( talk)
I guess I fall sort of in between. I think that right now it's too early to remove people from being attached to the event, but I also think that, in time, it's not necessary to have everyone who attended the event listed here. I do think that such a list would be appropriate at the specific page about the nomination ceremony itself and/or the nomination itself. Likewise the debate etc. People present at those events are part of what makes a ceremony or event notable. Once we're out a month or from now I could see trimming it back to individuals who had been notably impacted by this event either through getting Covid-19 or, as in the case of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Dir of the NSA, were quarantined etc with a link to the pages for the individual events for "full list of attendees exposed available at" or something along those lines. TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 23:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Potentials, second cluster

The election night event is turning up a handful of cases. The median case shows symptoms and gets diagnosed 5 days after inoculation (i.e. weekend of Nov 7-8 for those who catch it on election night) but the full range is 14 days (i.e. Nov 17). I expect we'll continue to see election night party cases through Friday Nov 20 due to people announcing they have it within 24 hours and also those who choose to delay announcing longer for whatever reason. Second-order cases will probably start announcing this week and weekend (Nov 12-15). Looks like the legal team in particular (Bossie and Lewandowski) is a nexus.

This is a section to discuss or share any info that isn't clearly tied to the White House clusters to figure out if we've got a second-order impact etc.

  • RNC At the end of this NYT article Richard Walters, the chief of staff of the Republican National Committee, is mentioned as testing positive. But also that he wasn't at the election night party. I suspect it's likely he came in contact with more than one of those who were at the party and have since tested positive (such as members of the legal team) making him a second-order member of the White House COVID-19 outbreak. However I don't have any citation that indicates how or where he might have been exposed and am therefore not adding him to the page. If someone finds something from an RS in their own reading and research I would definitely see him included here. Also this WaPo mentions 8 RNC staffers, though they were spread out and definitely not all at the election night party. TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 23:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC) reply
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notable exposures WP:RECENT

As I was reviewing the article, I noticed the White House COVID-19 outbreak#Notable exposures table. There was a conversation over the Category, with the decision to WP:SPEEDY for BLP concerns. There are sources stating the status of these individual, but that does not prove the notability of said subjects in this article. My question is, "Do we list attendees of said events?" IMO, unless the person has tested positive, there is no notability of said person in this article. -- intelati talk 20:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply

As Covid-19 takes up to 14 days for symptoms to appear a single negative test in fewer than 14 days from exposure to those who do test positive is not sufficient, reliable sources are noting these individuals for this reason. That said, I think collapsing the negatives into a list instead of a table once we're out past 14 days of Trump's first negative test would make sense. The event described in the article involves everyone who had contact during these events and, given that most are notable themselves due to positions in government, religion, or civic life, their exposure to this outbreak is notable. TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 20:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply
(Cleaning up paragraphing)
As we move on from this outbreak, what is notable? That the exposure itself happened, people have tested positive, and people were hospitalized. How can we cover the exposure? Does it require listing the attendees? I don't think so. I don't even think a list is necessary.- intelati talk 20:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  • I agree that WP:RECENT is something to be aware of with this. I think the section on Recentism as a positive, is particularly applicable. Within a few months we'll certainly have more and deeper researched information about this event. In the longer scope, I think in ten years time this particular event will stand out as an important moment in Covid-19 as, with the exception of Iran, it is to date the only Covid-19 outbreak to have an impact on so many of a nation's government officials and leaders, leading to the quarantine of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (though not all tested positive) for example. Politically who knows, though it is responsible for changes in the debate schedule and so on, further distance from this moment will be required to know whether it's important politically. But in terms of governance it's definitely going to be in the "this will be improved later as more detailed information comes to light." TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 20:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply
There was a superspreader event at the seat of the executive branch -- government officials who were impacted should be noted, even if they didn't contract the disease. What's more, there's a good argument to be made for listing every attendee who has a bio. The list of attendees included Ralph Reed, Liberty University president Jerry Prevo, Franklin Graham, Jack Graham, Paula White. Feoffer ( talk)
I guess I fall sort of in between. I think that right now it's too early to remove people from being attached to the event, but I also think that, in time, it's not necessary to have everyone who attended the event listed here. I do think that such a list would be appropriate at the specific page about the nomination ceremony itself and/or the nomination itself. Likewise the debate etc. People present at those events are part of what makes a ceremony or event notable. Once we're out a month or from now I could see trimming it back to individuals who had been notably impacted by this event either through getting Covid-19 or, as in the case of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Dir of the NSA, were quarantined etc with a link to the pages for the individual events for "full list of attendees exposed available at" or something along those lines. TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 23:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Potentials, second cluster

The election night event is turning up a handful of cases. The median case shows symptoms and gets diagnosed 5 days after inoculation (i.e. weekend of Nov 7-8 for those who catch it on election night) but the full range is 14 days (i.e. Nov 17). I expect we'll continue to see election night party cases through Friday Nov 20 due to people announcing they have it within 24 hours and also those who choose to delay announcing longer for whatever reason. Second-order cases will probably start announcing this week and weekend (Nov 12-15). Looks like the legal team in particular (Bossie and Lewandowski) is a nexus.

This is a section to discuss or share any info that isn't clearly tied to the White House clusters to figure out if we've got a second-order impact etc.

  • RNC At the end of this NYT article Richard Walters, the chief of staff of the Republican National Committee, is mentioned as testing positive. But also that he wasn't at the election night party. I suspect it's likely he came in contact with more than one of those who were at the party and have since tested positive (such as members of the legal team) making him a second-order member of the White House COVID-19 outbreak. However I don't have any citation that indicates how or where he might have been exposed and am therefore not adding him to the page. If someone finds something from an RS in their own reading and research I would definitely see him included here. Also this WaPo mentions 8 RNC staffers, though they were spread out and definitely not all at the election night party. TheMusicExperimental ( talk) 23:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC) reply
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