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The following source from Gonzalo Bulnes, of his book "Guerra del Pacifico," holds no section where it cites the works he has gathered his information from: [1]. The information Bulnes provides is, up to a certain point, important. However, the article is being heavily cited by the works of Gonzalo Bulnes. Bulnes, a Chilean historian and politician, provides a heavily biased Chilean POV in his works. I've read parts of his book "Guerra del Pacifico," and found text such as this: "Alentado probablemente por el Ministro peruano, Daza inaugura una politica de atropellos, conforme a 10s procedimientos que usaba en el gobierno interior" "Probably urged by the Peruvian minister, Daza inaugurates an aggressive policy, conformed to the 10 proceedings that he used in the interior government" In other words, his works hold no references and have his own POV on the matter ("Probably" is POV. "Aggressive Policy" without references is POV). Therefore, I don't think that this is something that the article should use as a single reliable source for exceptional claims. Bulnes does provide points that the article needs, but I believe we should reach a compromise when mentioning this author:
What do the rest of you think?-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 23:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Gonzalo Bulnes delivered a lot of Primary sources like the english version of the 1873 treaty the Godoy papers, (the Chilean Plenipotentiary Minister in Lima) and many of the correspondence between the "parties involved": Lavalle, Godoy, Irigoyen etc. His interpretations of the facts are Chile-biased, yes. But we have to separate the facts from the interpretations and write facts as facts and views of the facts as views of the facts. As Likeminas stated, every writer, we also, shows a tendency to confound it. Diferent is the case when we want to reproduce the Chilean interpretation of the facts. Therefor is Gonzalo Bulnes (1851-1936) an excelent source: he was diputado, Senator and Ex-Plenipotentiary Minister and ex-Extraordinary Ambassador of Chile in the Argentine Republic. He was in midstream.
-- Keysanger ( talk) 12:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that this particular section of the article would be better suited for the "Characteristics of the War" section. It really wasn't part of the "Crisis" as only the Peruvians and Bolivians knew about this. Chile did not find out about the possible integration of Argentina until later on. What do the rest of you think?-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 03:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
1) Add Argentina's perspective on the war (and their possible involvement). 2) Add what the French and British thought about the war (They were by-standers throughout the whole war), and if they provided any support. 3) Add the US interests (they were also involved as by-standers, and later in the article it mentions that they provided support for Peru's continued resistance). What do the rest of you think? (Come up with a better title for the section, if you can or want).-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 02:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
-- Keysanger ( talk) 12:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | → | Archive 10 |
The following source from Gonzalo Bulnes, of his book "Guerra del Pacifico," holds no section where it cites the works he has gathered his information from: [1]. The information Bulnes provides is, up to a certain point, important. However, the article is being heavily cited by the works of Gonzalo Bulnes. Bulnes, a Chilean historian and politician, provides a heavily biased Chilean POV in his works. I've read parts of his book "Guerra del Pacifico," and found text such as this: "Alentado probablemente por el Ministro peruano, Daza inaugura una politica de atropellos, conforme a 10s procedimientos que usaba en el gobierno interior" "Probably urged by the Peruvian minister, Daza inaugurates an aggressive policy, conformed to the 10 proceedings that he used in the interior government" In other words, his works hold no references and have his own POV on the matter ("Probably" is POV. "Aggressive Policy" without references is POV). Therefore, I don't think that this is something that the article should use as a single reliable source for exceptional claims. Bulnes does provide points that the article needs, but I believe we should reach a compromise when mentioning this author:
What do the rest of you think?-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 23:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Gonzalo Bulnes delivered a lot of Primary sources like the english version of the 1873 treaty the Godoy papers, (the Chilean Plenipotentiary Minister in Lima) and many of the correspondence between the "parties involved": Lavalle, Godoy, Irigoyen etc. His interpretations of the facts are Chile-biased, yes. But we have to separate the facts from the interpretations and write facts as facts and views of the facts as views of the facts. As Likeminas stated, every writer, we also, shows a tendency to confound it. Diferent is the case when we want to reproduce the Chilean interpretation of the facts. Therefor is Gonzalo Bulnes (1851-1936) an excelent source: he was diputado, Senator and Ex-Plenipotentiary Minister and ex-Extraordinary Ambassador of Chile in the Argentine Republic. He was in midstream.
-- Keysanger ( talk) 12:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that this particular section of the article would be better suited for the "Characteristics of the War" section. It really wasn't part of the "Crisis" as only the Peruvians and Bolivians knew about this. Chile did not find out about the possible integration of Argentina until later on. What do the rest of you think?-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 03:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
1) Add Argentina's perspective on the war (and their possible involvement). 2) Add what the French and British thought about the war (They were by-standers throughout the whole war), and if they provided any support. 3) Add the US interests (they were also involved as by-standers, and later in the article it mentions that they provided support for Peru's continued resistance). What do the rest of you think? (Come up with a better title for the section, if you can or want).-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 02:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
-- Keysanger ( talk) 12:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)