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"This is like a United Nations peacekeeping effort to stop a civil war." what the hell???
Isn't United Kingdom here an anachronism? The First Coalition predates the 1801 Act of Union. -- Jmabel 06:59, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
We say 1792, but e also say afer the execution of Louis XVI (1793). Someone care to sort this out? - Jmabel | Talk 00:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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According to the article, Dumouriez presented "a long list of grievances". I'd like to know what those grievances are. According to my 1993 Collier's Encyclopedia article on the French Revolution,
The dominant ministers, Comte Louis de Narbonne (an illegitimate son of Louis XV), and after him Charles Dumouriez (formerly a diplomat under Louis XV), held to anti-Austrian policies and favored war as a means of checking revolution and restoring order and the monarchy by means of the army. Their diplomacy was as feeble and unsuccessful as their policy was futile -- for war was more likely to bring the extremists to power than to save the crown. -- "French Revolution". Collier's_Encyclopedia. P.F. Collier. 1993.
Collier's puts much of the blame on Jacques Pierre Brissot.
Initially, however, [the Girondins] were known as the "Brissotins", since they adopted the war policy advocated by their leader in the Legislative Assembly, J. P. Brissot. In the spring of 1792 several Girondins in the Legislative Assembly were successful in obtaining ministerial positions in place of the more moderate Feuillant ministers -- Charles Dumouriez as foreign minister, Étienne Clavière as finance minister, and J.M. Roland as minister of the interior. It was this administration which, by declaring war on Austria on Apr. 20, 1792, helped to produce the national emergency that resulted in the overthrow of the French monarchy the following August. -- "Girondins". Collier's_Encyclopedia. P.F. Collier. 1993.
and
[ Brissot ] favored the declaration of war against Austria and Prussia in 1792 as a means of securing the downfall of the monarchy. -- "Brissot, Jacques Pierre". Collier's_Encyclopedia. P.F. Collier. 1993.
However, there seems to be a contradiction here. The first quote indicates that war was seen -- by Dumouriez -- as a way of checking revolution and preserving the monarchy. The second quote indicates that war was seen -- by Brissot and the Girondins -- as a way of forcing the overthrow of the monarchy. Is this a case of a right-left alliance, both parties seeking war, but for exactly opposite reasons?
This view is supported by Paul Halsall, editor of the 'Internet History Sourcebooks Project':
In retaliation to Dec. of Pillnitz the French Deputies (in Assembly) declare war on Austria - 20th Apr 1792
- There was pressure from democratic exiles from other countries
- Radicals thought a successful War would bring them support.
- Louis XVI supported the war - he hoped a loss would restore his position - as did many monarchist members of the Leg Assembly.
- (Robespierre opposed the war as he saw danger of defeat)
-- Halsall, Paul, "Class 11 : The Liberal Revolution", Fordham Rose Hill/ HSRU 1000, Jan 1998
NonZionist ( talk) 00:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
On the map of the war situation in 1796, someone added both the location of Mainz and "Neutral Serbian observers" with a large circle and in an obnoxious colour. I don't think these observers are of a great enough importance to the war to add them to the map, and would suggest that the old version of the map without these editions be used. Bahamut Star ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC).
French Revolutionary Wars has been nominated by WP:TAFI. All contributions improving this article welcome! Cheers, walk victor falk talk 04:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I never saw anything related about the turks in the first coalition. I think someone confused this with the second coalition. Ruddah ( talk) 01:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I'd suggest to alter this sentence:
... an invasion of Spain across the Pyrenees took San Sebastián...
Because you don't cross the Pyrenees or any mountains at all (the lower Basque Mountains are South of San Sebastian), only the Bidasoa river marks the border in that area. Also San Sebastian is barely a few kilometers away from the border, so talking of "invasion of Spain" sounds a bit exaggerated, rather an "expedition" maybe?
A possible revision could read:
... an expedition against Spain captured San Sebastián...
-- 85.84.224.120 ( talk) 08:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
The descriptions of those wars between France and other powers seem - at first glance - quite all right. But I can't find any reference or indication in the article of those other countries/forces being allied. We don't want to have misleading titles on our articles, do we? So: a correct title for the article would seem to me, for example: 'French Revolutionary Wars|French Revolutionary Wars (1792–1797)'. -- Corriebertus ( talk) 12:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
"After seizing the Low Countries in a surprise winter attack"
This statement is erroneous since, as the 'Low Countries' link makes clear, that term indicates a region comprising the modern states of the Netherlands, Belgium & Luxembourg.
In addition,'seizing' is probably not the correct word as there was at least the fiction of fraternal assistance in setting up a republic.
This sentence would better amended to: "After occupying the Netherlands.... " or "After occupying the United Provinces.... "
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"This is like a United Nations peacekeeping effort to stop a civil war." what the hell???
Isn't United Kingdom here an anachronism? The First Coalition predates the 1801 Act of Union. -- Jmabel 06:59, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
We say 1792, but e also say afer the execution of Louis XVI (1793). Someone care to sort this out? - Jmabel | Talk 00:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
According to the article, Dumouriez presented "a long list of grievances". I'd like to know what those grievances are. According to my 1993 Collier's Encyclopedia article on the French Revolution,
The dominant ministers, Comte Louis de Narbonne (an illegitimate son of Louis XV), and after him Charles Dumouriez (formerly a diplomat under Louis XV), held to anti-Austrian policies and favored war as a means of checking revolution and restoring order and the monarchy by means of the army. Their diplomacy was as feeble and unsuccessful as their policy was futile -- for war was more likely to bring the extremists to power than to save the crown. -- "French Revolution". Collier's_Encyclopedia. P.F. Collier. 1993.
Collier's puts much of the blame on Jacques Pierre Brissot.
Initially, however, [the Girondins] were known as the "Brissotins", since they adopted the war policy advocated by their leader in the Legislative Assembly, J. P. Brissot. In the spring of 1792 several Girondins in the Legislative Assembly were successful in obtaining ministerial positions in place of the more moderate Feuillant ministers -- Charles Dumouriez as foreign minister, Étienne Clavière as finance minister, and J.M. Roland as minister of the interior. It was this administration which, by declaring war on Austria on Apr. 20, 1792, helped to produce the national emergency that resulted in the overthrow of the French monarchy the following August. -- "Girondins". Collier's_Encyclopedia. P.F. Collier. 1993.
and
[ Brissot ] favored the declaration of war against Austria and Prussia in 1792 as a means of securing the downfall of the monarchy. -- "Brissot, Jacques Pierre". Collier's_Encyclopedia. P.F. Collier. 1993.
However, there seems to be a contradiction here. The first quote indicates that war was seen -- by Dumouriez -- as a way of checking revolution and preserving the monarchy. The second quote indicates that war was seen -- by Brissot and the Girondins -- as a way of forcing the overthrow of the monarchy. Is this a case of a right-left alliance, both parties seeking war, but for exactly opposite reasons?
This view is supported by Paul Halsall, editor of the 'Internet History Sourcebooks Project':
In retaliation to Dec. of Pillnitz the French Deputies (in Assembly) declare war on Austria - 20th Apr 1792
- There was pressure from democratic exiles from other countries
- Radicals thought a successful War would bring them support.
- Louis XVI supported the war - he hoped a loss would restore his position - as did many monarchist members of the Leg Assembly.
- (Robespierre opposed the war as he saw danger of defeat)
-- Halsall, Paul, "Class 11 : The Liberal Revolution", Fordham Rose Hill/ HSRU 1000, Jan 1998
NonZionist ( talk) 00:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
On the map of the war situation in 1796, someone added both the location of Mainz and "Neutral Serbian observers" with a large circle and in an obnoxious colour. I don't think these observers are of a great enough importance to the war to add them to the map, and would suggest that the old version of the map without these editions be used. Bahamut Star ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC).
French Revolutionary Wars has been nominated by WP:TAFI. All contributions improving this article welcome! Cheers, walk victor falk talk 04:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I never saw anything related about the turks in the first coalition. I think someone confused this with the second coalition. Ruddah ( talk) 01:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I'd suggest to alter this sentence:
... an invasion of Spain across the Pyrenees took San Sebastián...
Because you don't cross the Pyrenees or any mountains at all (the lower Basque Mountains are South of San Sebastian), only the Bidasoa river marks the border in that area. Also San Sebastian is barely a few kilometers away from the border, so talking of "invasion of Spain" sounds a bit exaggerated, rather an "expedition" maybe?
A possible revision could read:
... an expedition against Spain captured San Sebastián...
-- 85.84.224.120 ( talk) 08:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
The descriptions of those wars between France and other powers seem - at first glance - quite all right. But I can't find any reference or indication in the article of those other countries/forces being allied. We don't want to have misleading titles on our articles, do we? So: a correct title for the article would seem to me, for example: 'French Revolutionary Wars|French Revolutionary Wars (1792–1797)'. -- Corriebertus ( talk) 12:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
"After seizing the Low Countries in a surprise winter attack"
This statement is erroneous since, as the 'Low Countries' link makes clear, that term indicates a region comprising the modern states of the Netherlands, Belgium & Luxembourg.
In addition,'seizing' is probably not the correct word as there was at least the fiction of fraternal assistance in setting up a republic.
This sentence would better amended to: "After occupying the Netherlands.... " or "After occupying the United Provinces.... "