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I am contesting the speedy deletion; the product itself has been discussed in multiple reliable third party publications. I will attempt to make the tone more encyclopedic, but the fact the article appears to be "promotional" is not grounds for deletion; the subject needs to not be notable, but this is notable. Samboy ( talk) 20:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because the product has been described and reviewed in multiple third party reliable sources independent of the subject. -- Samboy ( talk) 20:18, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
I have received multiple complaints that this article is not neutral and may have, to put it bluntly, too much “marketing puffery” in it. I should explain how I made this article and how it ended up coming off as marketing puffery.
My philosophy when making this article was to find references and then write the article from what the references say. That in mind, I reflected what some of the reliable third party references have to say when they discuss Valhalla DSP:
Point being, one reason this article has some puffery is because the sources I was working from (especially the most reliable sources) had a good deal of excitement and enthusiasm for Valhalla’s products. I can see why this article did not come off as neutral since I initially reflected that appreciation of Sean Costello’s products as seen in the sources, but I am working to make the article more neutral (such as emphasizing the criticism of VVV—that’s what people in the industry usually call “Valhalla Vintage Verb”—from the almost-as-reliable source Music Radar, in their mostly positive review of this reverb), and welcome input from other editors. Samboy ( talk) 02:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Since there has been concerns that this article should not just be a list of products, I have researched about the company itself and added information I have found to the article.
Since not much beyond the company’s products have been published by third party sources, I am using the company’s own webpage and blog to publish the majority of information about the company itself. I would rather use third party sources, but the initial version of this article, writting using mainly third party sources reads too much like promotional puffery to other editors, so I have to incorporate sources published by ValhallaDSP personnel about the company. This is allowed (if not necessarily encouraged), as per WP:ABOUTSELF. I am being careful to reference every sentence in this section, and since Sean Costello (ValhallaDSP’s founder) has written academic papers about reverberation, that information was able to come from sources published (if not completely written) by third parties. Samboy ( talk) 06:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
While Wikipedia policy does allow an article to use primary sources for certain information, as a thought experiment, I have made a version of this article which derives all of its information from ValhallaDSP’s significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources, to demonstrate the subject’s notability, and to demonstrate that the article benefits from using primary sources about the company. Samboy ( talk) 21:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
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I am contesting the speedy deletion; the product itself has been discussed in multiple reliable third party publications. I will attempt to make the tone more encyclopedic, but the fact the article appears to be "promotional" is not grounds for deletion; the subject needs to not be notable, but this is notable. Samboy ( talk) 20:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because the product has been described and reviewed in multiple third party reliable sources independent of the subject. -- Samboy ( talk) 20:18, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
I have received multiple complaints that this article is not neutral and may have, to put it bluntly, too much “marketing puffery” in it. I should explain how I made this article and how it ended up coming off as marketing puffery.
My philosophy when making this article was to find references and then write the article from what the references say. That in mind, I reflected what some of the reliable third party references have to say when they discuss Valhalla DSP:
Point being, one reason this article has some puffery is because the sources I was working from (especially the most reliable sources) had a good deal of excitement and enthusiasm for Valhalla’s products. I can see why this article did not come off as neutral since I initially reflected that appreciation of Sean Costello’s products as seen in the sources, but I am working to make the article more neutral (such as emphasizing the criticism of VVV—that’s what people in the industry usually call “Valhalla Vintage Verb”—from the almost-as-reliable source Music Radar, in their mostly positive review of this reverb), and welcome input from other editors. Samboy ( talk) 02:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Since there has been concerns that this article should not just be a list of products, I have researched about the company itself and added information I have found to the article.
Since not much beyond the company’s products have been published by third party sources, I am using the company’s own webpage and blog to publish the majority of information about the company itself. I would rather use third party sources, but the initial version of this article, writting using mainly third party sources reads too much like promotional puffery to other editors, so I have to incorporate sources published by ValhallaDSP personnel about the company. This is allowed (if not necessarily encouraged), as per WP:ABOUTSELF. I am being careful to reference every sentence in this section, and since Sean Costello (ValhallaDSP’s founder) has written academic papers about reverberation, that information was able to come from sources published (if not completely written) by third parties. Samboy ( talk) 06:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
While Wikipedia policy does allow an article to use primary sources for certain information, as a thought experiment, I have made a version of this article which derives all of its information from ValhallaDSP’s significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources, to demonstrate the subject’s notability, and to demonstrate that the article benefits from using primary sources about the company. Samboy ( talk) 21:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)