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It seems to me that "Invasion" is being used a bit liberally and incorrectly several places in this article, but especially the title. The initial strikes on the Taliban were done by U.S. Army Special Forces units, in small numbers. That would not qualify as an invasion. After that, the U.S. partnered with the Afghanistan government and NATO forces to combat the Taliban. "Invasion" would be more accurate if the U.S. were fighting against Afghanistan itself, instead of allying with it.
It seems to me that by the definition of "invasion", two things are required: 1) a large force, and 2) being "unwelcome".
The referenced sources don't seem to support the use of "invasion" either. Perhaps my definition is a bit stricter, from being in the military.
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This articles states it is in the WikiProject United States. Why is it not also in the WikiProject Afghanistan? Could someone add this article to the WikiProject Afghanistan? Stunts1990 ( talk) 14:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
By most accounts at the time the Taliban controlled 75% or less of Afghanistan. Your own map on the right illustrates not only less than 90%, but ongoing fighting with the Northern Alliance in most of the northern half of the country. This is not "control."
Germany also send troops (KSK) to invade Afghanistan. They are fight in Tora Bora in December 2001 and they had operations in the near of Pakistan. SoldatAnthony ( talk) 23:19, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
The article contains a lot of references to this book:
I can't find any reviews of this book online, and Neville doesn't seem very qualified as a historian ( publisher bio). I've found what I think are two errors in the book so far. Neville says that the first CIA team had 8 people, every other source says 10 (7 field agents and 3 helicopter crew). And Neville says that there was a heavy firefight on Objective Gecko with 30 "insurgents" killed. Other sources say there were no enemy on Gecko. Unless anyone objects, I'll probably start replacing the Neville book with other sources. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 14:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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In 2021, while international forces were withdrawing from the country, the Taliban succeeded in overthrowing the Afghan government and re-establishing their rule across Afghanistan.
The Hazaras are a minority ethnic group adhering to Shia Islam and living in the mountains of central Afghanistan.They're actually quite fascinating, when I was in Logar province neither the Taliban nor the Afghan army would go into Hazara areas - they keep to themselves and run a tight ship. Should I make the sentence a footnote or leave it in the main text? -- Cerebellum ( talk) 08:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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to civilians in Northern Alliance-controlled territory. I think it is unusual, it was a big initiative of Bush because Afghanistan was in a severe drought.
B-2 Spirit stealth bombers and AC-130 gunships bombed and strafed the site.
neither objective had any Taliban on it, hope that's better. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 09:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
decrying the Taliban and Afghanistan as criminals who had ruined Afghanistan, so I removed the part about them not being proper Muslims. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 09:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Overall a pleasing and compelling article, even for someone who isn't into military conflicts. Ovinus ( talk) 19:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
One major aspect that I don't see covered here is the question as to whether the invasion of Afghanistan was legal according to the UN charter and international law. There are various sources that discuss it, for example:
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The result of the move request was: not moved. There appears to be a consensus to keep the article at its current title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 03:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
United States invasion of Afghanistan → 2001 invasion of Afghanistan – Just like in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, not only the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, but other countries as well. Doesn’t matter if U.S. was the leader of the invasion, because it was also the leader of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. WikipedianRevolutionary ( talk) 12:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
"At the time the only collaboration with Massoud was..." Seems like it should say "abortive attempt to track" or at least link to Berntsen's page as the op only lasted a week. MyIP19216811 ( talk) 04:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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It seems to me that "Invasion" is being used a bit liberally and incorrectly several places in this article, but especially the title. The initial strikes on the Taliban were done by U.S. Army Special Forces units, in small numbers. That would not qualify as an invasion. After that, the U.S. partnered with the Afghanistan government and NATO forces to combat the Taliban. "Invasion" would be more accurate if the U.S. were fighting against Afghanistan itself, instead of allying with it.
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This articles states it is in the WikiProject United States. Why is it not also in the WikiProject Afghanistan? Could someone add this article to the WikiProject Afghanistan? Stunts1990 ( talk) 14:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
By most accounts at the time the Taliban controlled 75% or less of Afghanistan. Your own map on the right illustrates not only less than 90%, but ongoing fighting with the Northern Alliance in most of the northern half of the country. This is not "control."
Germany also send troops (KSK) to invade Afghanistan. They are fight in Tora Bora in December 2001 and they had operations in the near of Pakistan. SoldatAnthony ( talk) 23:19, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
The article contains a lot of references to this book:
I can't find any reviews of this book online, and Neville doesn't seem very qualified as a historian ( publisher bio). I've found what I think are two errors in the book so far. Neville says that the first CIA team had 8 people, every other source says 10 (7 field agents and 3 helicopter crew). And Neville says that there was a heavy firefight on Objective Gecko with 30 "insurgents" killed. Other sources say there were no enemy on Gecko. Unless anyone objects, I'll probably start replacing the Neville book with other sources. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 14:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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An impressive article to bring to GAN. I will probably make some hands-on tweaks (feel free to revert ones you disagree with). Do you intend on taking this to FAC? Ovinus ( talk) 04:21, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Alright, back. Main focuses will be NPOV, appropriate context, and summary style. Ovinus ( talk) 03:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
In 2021, while international forces were withdrawing from the country, the Taliban succeeded in overthrowing the Afghan government and re-establishing their rule across Afghanistan.
The Hazaras are a minority ethnic group adhering to Shia Islam and living in the mountains of central Afghanistan.They're actually quite fascinating, when I was in Logar province neither the Taliban nor the Afghan army would go into Hazara areas - they keep to themselves and run a tight ship. Should I make the sentence a footnote or leave it in the main text? -- Cerebellum ( talk) 08:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Ovinus ( talk) 19:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Ovinus ( talk) 19:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
to civilians in Northern Alliance-controlled territory. I think it is unusual, it was a big initiative of Bush because Afghanistan was in a severe drought.
B-2 Spirit stealth bombers and AC-130 gunships bombed and strafed the site.
neither objective had any Taliban on it, hope that's better. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 09:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
decrying the Taliban and Afghanistan as criminals who had ruined Afghanistan, so I removed the part about them not being proper Muslims. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 09:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Overall a pleasing and compelling article, even for someone who isn't into military conflicts. Ovinus ( talk) 19:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
One major aspect that I don't see covered here is the question as to whether the invasion of Afghanistan was legal according to the UN charter and international law. There are various sources that discuss it, for example:
{{
cite journal}}
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cite journal}}
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link)( t · c) buidhe 04:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There appears to be a consensus to keep the article at its current title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 03:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
United States invasion of Afghanistan → 2001 invasion of Afghanistan – Just like in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, not only the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, but other countries as well. Doesn’t matter if U.S. was the leader of the invasion, because it was also the leader of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. WikipedianRevolutionary ( talk) 12:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
"At the time the only collaboration with Massoud was..." Seems like it should say "abortive attempt to track" or at least link to Berntsen's page as the op only lasted a week. MyIP19216811 ( talk) 04:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)