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The first USA Grüner Veltliner?
Possible additional source "The Vintner's Kitchen" by William King, indicated as an additional source by
http://www.foodchannel.com/stories/1443-review-the-vintner-s-kitchen
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Doerner farm in Cleveland Oregon produced Riesling and Zinfandel in the 1880s?
An old version of this article and various web pages talk about this. I believe Cleveland is a place designation, no longer used, for an area outside Roseburg. I found Doerner Vinyard LLC
[1] located outside of Roseburg, this may be the same as the historical reference to a Doerner farm. It needs to be confirmed that these are one in the same. If they are the same then we need to see if we can establish how long the vineyard has been in business and what grapes they have produced over the years.
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Scott Henry Trellis System
Scott Henry first used his system at his own winery, Henry Estate Winery. This lead to the Smart-Henry system. There are a number of websites which talk about the system but we need to find some good sources that tie the system to the winery. Also consider if this is appropriate for an AVA article.
UC Daivs article
http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/filelibrary/5760/27345.pdf.
I think this is Dan Stephens, May 1996, American Fruit Grower
http://www.henryestate.com/marketing/docs/fruit_grower_article.pdf
http://viticulture.hort.iastate.edu/info/07iawgamtg/trainingsystemselsner.pdf
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New source for grape production needed.
The Appellation America source currently used has been moved behind a pay wall. We need to find a good source or two for what grapes are produced in this region.
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talk) 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The following wineries and vineyards are located within the AVA. I'm including this list for reference when looking for news about the AVA.
Uncubed ( talk) 21:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
You have a nice start so far. I would recommend taking a look at other developed wine region articles like Red Mountain AVA, Russian River Valley AVA, Côte Chalonnaise, Valpolicella, etc for an idea of what type of content (and sources) that are useful to have in these types of articles. Personally I am a huge stickler for sources and if I can't find a source for an item, I just remove it or transfer it to the talk page (like you did here). My belief is if it is a truly notable, encyclopedic detail than a source will eventually emerge and the detail can go back into the article. So if you can't find good, reliable sources for Doerner Farm just take it out. Don't be afraid to just start the article from scratch if you have a good source in front you. As for the details about the grapes, I think there is some notability in being one of the view US wine regions to grow Gruner Veltliner and one of the few in Oregon to grow something other than Burgundy and Alsatian wine grapes but, yes, I agree with you that the context of that notability should be made clear. Agne Cheese/ Wine 03:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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The first USA Grüner Veltliner?
Possible additional source "The Vintner's Kitchen" by William King, indicated as an additional source by
http://www.foodchannel.com/stories/1443-review-the-vintner-s-kitchen
Uncubed (
talk) 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Doerner farm in Cleveland Oregon produced Riesling and Zinfandel in the 1880s?
An old version of this article and various web pages talk about this. I believe Cleveland is a place designation, no longer used, for an area outside Roseburg. I found Doerner Vinyard LLC
[1] located outside of Roseburg, this may be the same as the historical reference to a Doerner farm. It needs to be confirmed that these are one in the same. If they are the same then we need to see if we can establish how long the vineyard has been in business and what grapes they have produced over the years.
Uncubed (
talk) 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Scott Henry Trellis System
Scott Henry first used his system at his own winery, Henry Estate Winery. This lead to the Smart-Henry system. There are a number of websites which talk about the system but we need to find some good sources that tie the system to the winery. Also consider if this is appropriate for an AVA article.
UC Daivs article
http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/filelibrary/5760/27345.pdf.
I think this is Dan Stephens, May 1996, American Fruit Grower
http://www.henryestate.com/marketing/docs/fruit_grower_article.pdf
http://viticulture.hort.iastate.edu/info/07iawgamtg/trainingsystemselsner.pdf
Uncubed (
talk) 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
New source for grape production needed.
The Appellation America source currently used has been moved behind a pay wall. We need to find a good source or two for what grapes are produced in this region.
Uncubed (
talk) 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The following wineries and vineyards are located within the AVA. I'm including this list for reference when looking for news about the AVA.
Uncubed ( talk) 21:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
You have a nice start so far. I would recommend taking a look at other developed wine region articles like Red Mountain AVA, Russian River Valley AVA, Côte Chalonnaise, Valpolicella, etc for an idea of what type of content (and sources) that are useful to have in these types of articles. Personally I am a huge stickler for sources and if I can't find a source for an item, I just remove it or transfer it to the talk page (like you did here). My belief is if it is a truly notable, encyclopedic detail than a source will eventually emerge and the detail can go back into the article. So if you can't find good, reliable sources for Doerner Farm just take it out. Don't be afraid to just start the article from scratch if you have a good source in front you. As for the details about the grapes, I think there is some notability in being one of the view US wine regions to grow Gruner Veltliner and one of the few in Oregon to grow something other than Burgundy and Alsatian wine grapes but, yes, I agree with you that the context of that notability should be made clear. Agne Cheese/ Wine 03:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)