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Family separations on the border did occur under previous Presidents, therefor this article should not be named after Trump. [1] The Zero Tolerance Policy had nothing to do with family separations, but was simply an confirmation that under the Trump administration those who break the law by entering the country illegally would be prosecuted according to the law. Trump has never had any specific “Family Separation Policy”. [2] The increase in family separations on the border was a direct consequence of a court ruling on the Flores Settlement on July 6th, 2016, while Obama was President. Trump had no involvement in that decision. [3] The family separations were a direct consequence of the 2016 court order on the Flores Settlement, that demanded that children be released while the "same should not be afforded" to their mother/parents. A court order that came while Obama was President. The Executive order that President Trump announced to end these family separations did NOT stop or alter his Zero Tolerance Policy at all(the Zero Tolerance Policy had nothing to do with the separations of families) but only requested that the Attorney General have the Flores Settlement altered(he ordered the AG to "promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 "Flores settlement", in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings"). TheOriginalVegan ( talk) 02:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Major article by the Atlantic on the history of the policy if someone wants to incorporate the information Atlantic article. Remember ( talk) 12:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, what a good find. This will indeed provide good follow-up. I have read only the first chapter so far but will slowly go through it all. There is a lot to cover. I am user Gandydancer so have been with this article from its very beginning and rambling through month after month. And it does ramble, but trying to do cut-backs is so hard when when one thinks of those little kids wailing and crying out "papa" on that tape--it makes every word seem important... Reading farther back into the history of this practice in this Atlantic article reminds me that this WP article while now seemingly old remains an important part of U.S. politics and even what's going on around the world today. For now, Gandy
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- OK, I quickly lost my limits on Atlantic access and will need to find interviews, etc.--which should not be a problem. She was on PBS last night and several talk shows lately. This is one of the longest articles they've ever done and they tend to do pretty long ones. Rather than trying to tuck this in here and there I'm going to add it at the end in a 2022 update. Since so few people read or work on this article I'm going to feel free to add what I find a little at a time rather than feel that I need to have it all worked out before I add stuff. Gandy, Sectionworker ( talk) 21:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- story won a 2023 Pulitzer Prize, btw. nice find. 162.83.150.120 ( talk) 13:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm worried about this paragraph, specifically the segments in bold, which, as I see it, contradict each other, so I'm about to change it, but in case anyone was wondering why, I wanted to put my reasoning here:
Prior to the Trump administration, the U.S. government did not actively pursue criminal cases for illegal entry, and thus U.S. authorities did not routinely separate migrant parents from their children. Rather, previous administrations used either family detention facilities (allowing families to remain intact pending deportation hearings in civil immigration court) or alternatives to detention (e.g., release pending further hearings). Prior to the Trump administration, families traveling together were generally only separated under narrow circumstances, such as suspicion of human trafficking, an outstanding warrant, or fraud.
President George W. Bush began the trend of a "zero tolerance" approach in 2005 with Operation Streamline, under which a significant number of criminal prosecutions for illegal entry (a misdemeanor) were pursued; however, during his administration, exceptions were generally made for adults traveling with minors.
To be clear: it's obviously true that the United States did not generally separate families prior to Trump, and the sources confirm that. But the first bolded portion speaks of all "criminal cases"—not just criminal cases against persons traveling with families, and, as I see it, the second bolded portion contradicts it.
Moreover, and more importantly, at least one of the sources used seems to contradict the first bolded portion. This AP article (which is cited) says:
For decades the government didn’t actively pursue criminal cases under Section 1325, which has been on the books since 1929. Those caught were deported by immigration enforcement.
It wasn’t until a 2005 program started by President George W. Bush, vowing to curb illegal immigration, that the number of criminal prosecutions soared.
-- Jerome Frank Disciple 13:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Major new article in New York Magazine looking at reunification efforts:
It includes lots of updated information that would be worth including in this article. Owunsch ( talk) 03:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Family separations on the border did occur under previous Presidents, therefor this article should not be named after Trump. [1] The Zero Tolerance Policy had nothing to do with family separations, but was simply an confirmation that under the Trump administration those who break the law by entering the country illegally would be prosecuted according to the law. Trump has never had any specific “Family Separation Policy”. [2] The increase in family separations on the border was a direct consequence of a court ruling on the Flores Settlement on July 6th, 2016, while Obama was President. Trump had no involvement in that decision. [3] The family separations were a direct consequence of the 2016 court order on the Flores Settlement, that demanded that children be released while the "same should not be afforded" to their mother/parents. A court order that came while Obama was President. The Executive order that President Trump announced to end these family separations did NOT stop or alter his Zero Tolerance Policy at all(the Zero Tolerance Policy had nothing to do with the separations of families) but only requested that the Attorney General have the Flores Settlement altered(he ordered the AG to "promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 "Flores settlement", in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings"). TheOriginalVegan ( talk) 02:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Major article by the Atlantic on the history of the policy if someone wants to incorporate the information Atlantic article. Remember ( talk) 12:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, what a good find. This will indeed provide good follow-up. I have read only the first chapter so far but will slowly go through it all. There is a lot to cover. I am user Gandydancer so have been with this article from its very beginning and rambling through month after month. And it does ramble, but trying to do cut-backs is so hard when when one thinks of those little kids wailing and crying out "papa" on that tape--it makes every word seem important... Reading farther back into the history of this practice in this Atlantic article reminds me that this WP article while now seemingly old remains an important part of U.S. politics and even what's going on around the world today. For now, Gandy
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- OK, I quickly lost my limits on Atlantic access and will need to find interviews, etc.--which should not be a problem. She was on PBS last night and several talk shows lately. This is one of the longest articles they've ever done and they tend to do pretty long ones. Rather than trying to tuck this in here and there I'm going to add it at the end in a 2022 update. Since so few people read or work on this article I'm going to feel free to add what I find a little at a time rather than feel that I need to have it all worked out before I add stuff. Gandy, Sectionworker ( talk) 21:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- story won a 2023 Pulitzer Prize, btw. nice find. 162.83.150.120 ( talk) 13:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm worried about this paragraph, specifically the segments in bold, which, as I see it, contradict each other, so I'm about to change it, but in case anyone was wondering why, I wanted to put my reasoning here:
Prior to the Trump administration, the U.S. government did not actively pursue criminal cases for illegal entry, and thus U.S. authorities did not routinely separate migrant parents from their children. Rather, previous administrations used either family detention facilities (allowing families to remain intact pending deportation hearings in civil immigration court) or alternatives to detention (e.g., release pending further hearings). Prior to the Trump administration, families traveling together were generally only separated under narrow circumstances, such as suspicion of human trafficking, an outstanding warrant, or fraud.
President George W. Bush began the trend of a "zero tolerance" approach in 2005 with Operation Streamline, under which a significant number of criminal prosecutions for illegal entry (a misdemeanor) were pursued; however, during his administration, exceptions were generally made for adults traveling with minors.
To be clear: it's obviously true that the United States did not generally separate families prior to Trump, and the sources confirm that. But the first bolded portion speaks of all "criminal cases"—not just criminal cases against persons traveling with families, and, as I see it, the second bolded portion contradicts it.
Moreover, and more importantly, at least one of the sources used seems to contradict the first bolded portion. This AP article (which is cited) says:
For decades the government didn’t actively pursue criminal cases under Section 1325, which has been on the books since 1929. Those caught were deported by immigration enforcement.
It wasn’t until a 2005 program started by President George W. Bush, vowing to curb illegal immigration, that the number of criminal prosecutions soared.
-- Jerome Frank Disciple 13:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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