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Why is True auto redirecting to Truth? Might want a disambigous page w/ also links to True in terms of other things, (I came looking for Computer Science related info) -- ORBIT 18:17, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
The definition given here is far too feeble. ... Banno 21:00, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Don't be silly. An unambiguous mention of the actual meaning of the term, 'true' -- in accord with the actual state of affairs in any particular case -- is needed to give it the buoyancy to float above the sea of theist obscurantism in Truth.
This is not about any THEORY ('might be' proposition), sir. Any statement about the actual state of affairs in any particular case is true if and only if it is in accord with the actual state of affairs in that particular case. This is not just a point of view, or a theory, it is the definition of the term, 'true'. What are you, Obscurantist?
Been there, done that, got the T shirt, and I have questions about it. 8^)
How about clearing up something for me today, Banno, concerning that article? How can you presume to write about TRUTH (meaning a statement that is true) without first stipulating to the meaning of the more basic term, TRUE (in general usage generally taken to mean "In accord with the actual state of affairs")? Would it be possible for one to explain the term, 'fourth' to a visitor from another planet without first explaining the more basic term, 'four'?
My apologies. Now will you please answer the question?
You mean your screed of theist obscurantism in your article, Truth? Nothing there answers the my question.
So you can publish whatever screed of theist obscurantism you please, and it is never open to question? What are these talk pages for then?
Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. 67.182.157.6 01:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Reproducing material from truth#Other uses of "true" here seems pointless to me, but if it is important for you.... Banno 22:05, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
What are your grounds for disputing 1? Maybe you should see Peer review? 67.182.157.6 23:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Banno, why don't you and your obscurantist partners stop vandalizing this page, don't you know that is conduct unbecoming a seeker of truth?
The neutrality of having this term, 'true' redirect to the obscurantist babble about theories of truth is in question. Should redirect to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/truth
(Point by point response follows)
That is one point of view (see bias), but that is not universally accepted, and you have no right to engrave in stone your bias here in Wikiland. In general ussage the term, 'truth' refers to a statement that is in accord with the actual state of affairs. "P is true" simply means P is in accord with the actual state of affairs, so it is redundant. It is perfectly sufficient to simply say P.
I understand the obscurantist jihad to insist on having it read "THAT which is true" (which is circular by the way), instead of "a statement in accord with the actual state of affairs," because obscurantistism must insist on having the door left open for an argument that belief in the tenet of a religion can be considered known to be true (so-called 'revealed truth'), because, obscurantists argue, "Knowledge is belief." But that is dismissed as the folly of conflation of two entirely different things.
From the obscurantist point of view, which is not universally accepted.
Resistance to the obscurantist jihad is happening there, here, and other places as well. Learn to deal with it, without bias, if you want to learn to be an encyclopedia writer.
Then we need to put in a Request For Change to request a patch to fix that bug. 8^) -- 207.200.116.130 19:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to make this a disambig to both 'Truth' and 'True (Magazine)', which was published in the 1960s. - Litefantastic 11:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
For those that missed it:
DotSix, using any IP is prohibited from editing any Wikipedia page other than his talk page and the pages of this Arbitration case until a final decision is made in this case. [1]
As I understand it, if he edits here again, we report it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to have him blocked; add a link to the diff of the arbitration decision by way of explanation. Banno 11:34, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
There are at current two other articles that relate to the name "True" -- True (taxonomy) and True (album) (Which, ironically enough, are a redirect and disambiguation page respectively) So... shouldn't this be a disambiguation, with an option to go to Truth, rather than a redirect? Or at least give a disambig option in the Truth article? Lilinka 16:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Since there are several uses of the word "true", I have turned the redirect page into a disambiguation page. -- Ixfd64 19:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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Why is True auto redirecting to Truth? Might want a disambigous page w/ also links to True in terms of other things, (I came looking for Computer Science related info) -- ORBIT 18:17, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
The definition given here is far too feeble. ... Banno 21:00, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Don't be silly. An unambiguous mention of the actual meaning of the term, 'true' -- in accord with the actual state of affairs in any particular case -- is needed to give it the buoyancy to float above the sea of theist obscurantism in Truth.
This is not about any THEORY ('might be' proposition), sir. Any statement about the actual state of affairs in any particular case is true if and only if it is in accord with the actual state of affairs in that particular case. This is not just a point of view, or a theory, it is the definition of the term, 'true'. What are you, Obscurantist?
Been there, done that, got the T shirt, and I have questions about it. 8^)
How about clearing up something for me today, Banno, concerning that article? How can you presume to write about TRUTH (meaning a statement that is true) without first stipulating to the meaning of the more basic term, TRUE (in general usage generally taken to mean "In accord with the actual state of affairs")? Would it be possible for one to explain the term, 'fourth' to a visitor from another planet without first explaining the more basic term, 'four'?
My apologies. Now will you please answer the question?
You mean your screed of theist obscurantism in your article, Truth? Nothing there answers the my question.
So you can publish whatever screed of theist obscurantism you please, and it is never open to question? What are these talk pages for then?
Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. 67.182.157.6 01:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Reproducing material from truth#Other uses of "true" here seems pointless to me, but if it is important for you.... Banno 22:05, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
What are your grounds for disputing 1? Maybe you should see Peer review? 67.182.157.6 23:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Banno, why don't you and your obscurantist partners stop vandalizing this page, don't you know that is conduct unbecoming a seeker of truth?
The neutrality of having this term, 'true' redirect to the obscurantist babble about theories of truth is in question. Should redirect to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/truth
(Point by point response follows)
That is one point of view (see bias), but that is not universally accepted, and you have no right to engrave in stone your bias here in Wikiland. In general ussage the term, 'truth' refers to a statement that is in accord with the actual state of affairs. "P is true" simply means P is in accord with the actual state of affairs, so it is redundant. It is perfectly sufficient to simply say P.
I understand the obscurantist jihad to insist on having it read "THAT which is true" (which is circular by the way), instead of "a statement in accord with the actual state of affairs," because obscurantistism must insist on having the door left open for an argument that belief in the tenet of a religion can be considered known to be true (so-called 'revealed truth'), because, obscurantists argue, "Knowledge is belief." But that is dismissed as the folly of conflation of two entirely different things.
From the obscurantist point of view, which is not universally accepted.
Resistance to the obscurantist jihad is happening there, here, and other places as well. Learn to deal with it, without bias, if you want to learn to be an encyclopedia writer.
Then we need to put in a Request For Change to request a patch to fix that bug. 8^) -- 207.200.116.130 19:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to make this a disambig to both 'Truth' and 'True (Magazine)', which was published in the 1960s. - Litefantastic 11:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
For those that missed it:
DotSix, using any IP is prohibited from editing any Wikipedia page other than his talk page and the pages of this Arbitration case until a final decision is made in this case. [1]
As I understand it, if he edits here again, we report it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to have him blocked; add a link to the diff of the arbitration decision by way of explanation. Banno 11:34, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
There are at current two other articles that relate to the name "True" -- True (taxonomy) and True (album) (Which, ironically enough, are a redirect and disambiguation page respectively) So... shouldn't this be a disambiguation, with an option to go to Truth, rather than a redirect? Or at least give a disambig option in the Truth article? Lilinka 16:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Since there are several uses of the word "true", I have turned the redirect page into a disambiguation page. -- Ixfd64 19:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)