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Reviewer: Imzadi1979 ( talk · contribs) 02:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The following three links are to disambiguation pages, and should be changed to direct to the most specific applicable entry: Busway, Miami River, Ocean Drive.
Several of my comments below deal with issues that are technically not part of the GA criteria, however, applying things like proper dash usage earlier in your writing plans means less work for future WP:FAC nominations. The end result of this review did not hinge on those extra comments, but they are still provided to detail all of the various issues facing this article at this time.
""north/south divisor" has two issues: the slash should be an en dash and the word "divisor". This isn't math class, so the correct word is "divider"; a "divisor" is part of a fraction.
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A picture of the transit village buildings at 701 NW 1st Court because it is the home of Dade Transit itself, is new, is located at the Overtown Metrorail station, yet still has an awkwardly large and sprawling parking garage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Christensen ( talk • contribs) 16:05, October 31, 2011
To Transportation in Miami, South Florida, because the scope is beyond just Dade County, let alone just the city. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 14:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
An overview section should be added at the top to sum up points and give a sort of "straight dope". Additionally, in at least one place it should go into more depth what it mentions in the lead, which is that one problem with pubic transit expansions is the high cost of procuring the private right of way in which to build it. The county got a relatively low price acquiring about half of the original Metrorail right-of-way from the previous railroad. Additionally, the rest of the guideways including the new AirportLink awkwardly meander over existing roadways, which is not always feasible due to space and engineering constraints (high in Florida where most infrastructure is as basic and whitewashed as possible). Let alone the difficulty of premium below grade transit anywhere in the three counties due to soft ground and elevation that rarely surpasses 10 feet (3 m). B137 ( talk) 07:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
A history section could/should also be added as well as the region was practically built around Henry Flagler's railroad, and the way the land is tracted out in fairly uniform blocks is historical, as well as the boom and bust nature of things. The extensive electric catenary streetcar/interurban system Miami had is almost lost in time. It has surprisingly little coverage anywhere, let alone on the project. History should go at the end if anything to fill in background for the in depth reader. Overview idea should probably be scrapped.
Update Metrorail section. Expand stuff related to other two counties i.e. FTL airport connections. AFAIK: Unify ref syntax. Dab "miami/greater miami/miami dade/region/area etc", impact fees. UDB and its controversial "updates" should be added to the politics section. Could also mention high number of Tri-Rail "accidents" ins. fraud. Vaguely heard this mentioned once, cannot find, it's robably not true as this would be borderline domestic terrorism. Should be a Geography section dealing with hurricanes, weak bedrock; Not really that weak, New York just abnormally strong. UDB etc.
Florida political map full PDF
@ Imzadi1979: What do you think of the prose overall; I'm assuming you've read the article as you've now helped with it more significantly. B137 ( talk) 04:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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What's so interesting about writing about a subject like this, and further trying to make it comprehensive, up to date as well as futureproof, is that it's literally the modern day wild west, growing and changing so fast, with nothing set in stone and no certainty of what the future holds. When a project is "cancelled" it usually just means it's paused for a few years. A term I came up with for places like Miami, Sunny Isles Beach, North Bay Village, etc is accidentally urban. They are/were literally the posterchildren of suburbia and a closed-in lifestyle, with Sunny Isles Beach having many fortress-like high security towers, many literally filled with high level literally Russian (Little Moscow not just a nickname) figures who look for security, privacy, and a place to invest. But it went so far with the massive towers which, despite their luxury, were inevitably a form a dense development regardless of whether that was the intent, and now you see "Florida's Riviera" with bustling streets and sidewalks, as well as some unfortunate events like that kid who got hit skateboarding in the driveway of his condo. Some of these places now have population densities well over 20,000 per sq mi (over a small area). Yesterday I was adding refs about how the westbound tolls on two expressways had not been implemented though I knew they have been working on it; today the news breaks that not are they opening at midnight, there will be no way to evade them like thousands do on the eastbound tolls, exiting at 27th Avenue. My 2¢ B137 ( talk) 04:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Sources that may be added to the article for supplemental reading.
page 54: Dade county located over highly permeable limestone, tunneling difficult to unfeasible. Criteria for evaluation including Short turning ability to weave buildings, roads.
^by Simpson & Curtin Transportation Engineers "prepared for" DCDofT&T. Unclear if S&C or Dade County published it, limited copies printed. No apparent ISBN for these studies.
Environmental Impact Studies from 1978, not sure if contact should be listed as editor/author and if the entire title should be used or both publishers listed:
{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help){{
cite book}}
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help)Note: very light duty; not technical
Draft milestone 8 report final system plan. Kaiser engineers. June 1975.
49 Coral gables against. Page 11-16
I saw this in the Good Articles nominations and decided to have a look. I'll admit that I only skimmed through the article and didn't read all of the prose, but in my opinion this article needs some work before it can be a good article. I've fixed a couple issues with the "Further"/"Main article" templates, but refrained from placing some cleanup templates so that I don't kill the GAN.
Here's a few issues I see:
Hopefully, this is valuable feedback. I really didn't come to this article or even start to write this section to completely tear the article apart, but this article needs some work before it's a good article. As mentioned in the beginning, I didn't put any cleanup templates on the article so as not to derail the GAN, but hopefully this feedback can be used to improve the article to that status. AHeneen ( talk) 05:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Some additional feedback: the second paragraph of the lead discusses how this is "one of the most densely populated urban areas in the United States"; the next paragraph says it is "one of the most sprawled out and automobile dependent metropolitan areas in the United States". Which one is it? Barryjjoyce ( talk) 05:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
The 17% figure for Miami is old and dubious, the 4% figure checks out for MDT, BCT, and PT ridership, and downtown is easy to get a minimum figure for by taking MM direct boardings and dividing by not quite two then using stats for other mode lines that service downtown, but COMiami is hard to figure. Even county would be easier using just MDT figures and subtracting a little for 95 express and broward x-fers, but remember to factor Miami Trolley ridership. Interestingly, factoring just the stations of MM and MR that exist with COM limits, it comes close to that number, but then should be much high for all the bus and recently trolley ridership. B137 ( talk) 07:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Something I'm seeing more and more of is quotes added directly into the ghost boxes that pop up when you hover over a footnote number. It's possibly that the daunting task of securely archiving all the online references here may be necessary. Maybe it would be easier and more beneficial to just add the significant quotes from some sources, at least for now.
"...Alex Penelas was pushing a plan to raise funds for a $16 billion public transportation expansion with a penny-on-the-dollar sales tax." - Bet on Norman Braman. MNT note:$16 billion
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Being a nearly tropical (almost officially tropical given recent trends) location in the continental US, SFL/FL is known for having the "tourist season" in the winter, the opposite of many states and cities, which includes snowbirds, part time residents. For Metromover#Ridership, Metrobus (Miami-Dade County)#Ridership, and Metrorail (Miami-Dade County)#Passenger ridership, the busiest passenger months are generally November, February, March, and October. Traffic dips by April, and December, the other two winter season months. January is a strange outlier, being at the "bottom of the top", and October is technically not quite the winter season (Nov to April). This is noticeable on Google Traffic and other traffic reports. Traffic is markedly less in the summer and even seems to be a bit lower in December as well. Of course a whole week in December classified as regular weekdays is lost to the Christmas and holiday season. B137 ( talk) 00:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
The major bus decline has now finally been reported on several times, including here ( http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article148954014.html )
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Reviewer: Imzadi1979 ( talk · contribs) 02:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The following three links are to disambiguation pages, and should be changed to direct to the most specific applicable entry: Busway, Miami River, Ocean Drive.
Several of my comments below deal with issues that are technically not part of the GA criteria, however, applying things like proper dash usage earlier in your writing plans means less work for future WP:FAC nominations. The end result of this review did not hinge on those extra comments, but they are still provided to detail all of the various issues facing this article at this time.
""north/south divisor" has two issues: the slash should be an en dash and the word "divisor". This isn't math class, so the correct word is "divider"; a "divisor" is part of a fraction.
|alt=|link=
coding should be added to conform with
WP:ALT (which the jct template will do for you.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Christensen ( talk • contribs) 14:12, October 30, 2011
A picture of the transit village buildings at 701 NW 1st Court because it is the home of Dade Transit itself, is new, is located at the Overtown Metrorail station, yet still has an awkwardly large and sprawling parking garage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Christensen ( talk • contribs) 16:05, October 31, 2011
To Transportation in Miami, South Florida, because the scope is beyond just Dade County, let alone just the city. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 14:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
An overview section should be added at the top to sum up points and give a sort of "straight dope". Additionally, in at least one place it should go into more depth what it mentions in the lead, which is that one problem with pubic transit expansions is the high cost of procuring the private right of way in which to build it. The county got a relatively low price acquiring about half of the original Metrorail right-of-way from the previous railroad. Additionally, the rest of the guideways including the new AirportLink awkwardly meander over existing roadways, which is not always feasible due to space and engineering constraints (high in Florida where most infrastructure is as basic and whitewashed as possible). Let alone the difficulty of premium below grade transit anywhere in the three counties due to soft ground and elevation that rarely surpasses 10 feet (3 m). B137 ( talk) 07:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
A history section could/should also be added as well as the region was practically built around Henry Flagler's railroad, and the way the land is tracted out in fairly uniform blocks is historical, as well as the boom and bust nature of things. The extensive electric catenary streetcar/interurban system Miami had is almost lost in time. It has surprisingly little coverage anywhere, let alone on the project. History should go at the end if anything to fill in background for the in depth reader. Overview idea should probably be scrapped.
Update Metrorail section. Expand stuff related to other two counties i.e. FTL airport connections. AFAIK: Unify ref syntax. Dab "miami/greater miami/miami dade/region/area etc", impact fees. UDB and its controversial "updates" should be added to the politics section. Could also mention high number of Tri-Rail "accidents" ins. fraud. Vaguely heard this mentioned once, cannot find, it's robably not true as this would be borderline domestic terrorism. Should be a Geography section dealing with hurricanes, weak bedrock; Not really that weak, New York just abnormally strong. UDB etc.
Florida political map full PDF
@ Imzadi1979: What do you think of the prose overall; I'm assuming you've read the article as you've now helped with it more significantly. B137 ( talk) 04:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
from web lost but found:
16% 90 minutes
from tab
What's so interesting about writing about a subject like this, and further trying to make it comprehensive, up to date as well as futureproof, is that it's literally the modern day wild west, growing and changing so fast, with nothing set in stone and no certainty of what the future holds. When a project is "cancelled" it usually just means it's paused for a few years. A term I came up with for places like Miami, Sunny Isles Beach, North Bay Village, etc is accidentally urban. They are/were literally the posterchildren of suburbia and a closed-in lifestyle, with Sunny Isles Beach having many fortress-like high security towers, many literally filled with high level literally Russian (Little Moscow not just a nickname) figures who look for security, privacy, and a place to invest. But it went so far with the massive towers which, despite their luxury, were inevitably a form a dense development regardless of whether that was the intent, and now you see "Florida's Riviera" with bustling streets and sidewalks, as well as some unfortunate events like that kid who got hit skateboarding in the driveway of his condo. Some of these places now have population densities well over 20,000 per sq mi (over a small area). Yesterday I was adding refs about how the westbound tolls on two expressways had not been implemented though I knew they have been working on it; today the news breaks that not are they opening at midnight, there will be no way to evade them like thousands do on the eastbound tolls, exiting at 27th Avenue. My 2¢ B137 ( talk) 04:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Sources that may be added to the article for supplemental reading.
page 54: Dade county located over highly permeable limestone, tunneling difficult to unfeasible. Criteria for evaluation including Short turning ability to weave buildings, roads.
^by Simpson & Curtin Transportation Engineers "prepared for" DCDofT&T. Unclear if S&C or Dade County published it, limited copies printed. No apparent ISBN for these studies.
Environmental Impact Studies from 1978, not sure if contact should be listed as editor/author and if the entire title should be used or both publishers listed:
{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help){{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)Note: very light duty; not technical
Draft milestone 8 report final system plan. Kaiser engineers. June 1975.
49 Coral gables against. Page 11-16
I saw this in the Good Articles nominations and decided to have a look. I'll admit that I only skimmed through the article and didn't read all of the prose, but in my opinion this article needs some work before it can be a good article. I've fixed a couple issues with the "Further"/"Main article" templates, but refrained from placing some cleanup templates so that I don't kill the GAN.
Here's a few issues I see:
Hopefully, this is valuable feedback. I really didn't come to this article or even start to write this section to completely tear the article apart, but this article needs some work before it's a good article. As mentioned in the beginning, I didn't put any cleanup templates on the article so as not to derail the GAN, but hopefully this feedback can be used to improve the article to that status. AHeneen ( talk) 05:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Some additional feedback: the second paragraph of the lead discusses how this is "one of the most densely populated urban areas in the United States"; the next paragraph says it is "one of the most sprawled out and automobile dependent metropolitan areas in the United States". Which one is it? Barryjjoyce ( talk) 05:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
The 17% figure for Miami is old and dubious, the 4% figure checks out for MDT, BCT, and PT ridership, and downtown is easy to get a minimum figure for by taking MM direct boardings and dividing by not quite two then using stats for other mode lines that service downtown, but COMiami is hard to figure. Even county would be easier using just MDT figures and subtracting a little for 95 express and broward x-fers, but remember to factor Miami Trolley ridership. Interestingly, factoring just the stations of MM and MR that exist with COM limits, it comes close to that number, but then should be much high for all the bus and recently trolley ridership. B137 ( talk) 07:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Something I'm seeing more and more of is quotes added directly into the ghost boxes that pop up when you hover over a footnote number. It's possibly that the daunting task of securely archiving all the online references here may be necessary. Maybe it would be easier and more beneficial to just add the significant quotes from some sources, at least for now.
"...Alex Penelas was pushing a plan to raise funds for a $16 billion public transportation expansion with a penny-on-the-dollar sales tax." - Bet on Norman Braman. MNT note:$16 billion
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Being a nearly tropical (almost officially tropical given recent trends) location in the continental US, SFL/FL is known for having the "tourist season" in the winter, the opposite of many states and cities, which includes snowbirds, part time residents. For Metromover#Ridership, Metrobus (Miami-Dade County)#Ridership, and Metrorail (Miami-Dade County)#Passenger ridership, the busiest passenger months are generally November, February, March, and October. Traffic dips by April, and December, the other two winter season months. January is a strange outlier, being at the "bottom of the top", and October is technically not quite the winter season (Nov to April). This is noticeable on Google Traffic and other traffic reports. Traffic is markedly less in the summer and even seems to be a bit lower in December as well. Of course a whole week in December classified as regular weekdays is lost to the Christmas and holiday season. B137 ( talk) 00:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
The major bus decline has now finally been reported on several times, including here ( http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article148954014.html )
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