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Before continually restoring the edit, please source the following uncited statement per WP:CS, WP:NPOV, and WP:V.
"Proponents have postulated that one percent of a population (such as a city or country) practicing the technique daily may affect the quality of life for that population group. This has been termed the Maharishi effect."
I am not challenging the veracity of the statement; it deserves a reference in the lead because it purports to be statistical data, and without a reference it is a confusing statement for readers without or with only a cursory knowledge of the topic, who will read the summary but not necessarily the expanded sections (and the expanded sections are long). All the other statements in the lead are cited. This can be addressed with a single inline reference. 124.148.152.143 ( talk) 00:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC) (Edited for clarity 124.148.152.143 ( talk) 00:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC))
Portions of the article are remarkably WP:PROFRINGE with a touch of WP:PROMO. The underlying problem is non-independent sourcing ( WP:SOURCES). This will take some time to fix. Some examples:
Manul ~ talk 12:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
This is still clearly a big problem. Some studies referenced in the article don't relate to the text even indirectly. One passage extolling the virtues of mass meditation on causing societal behavioural changes cites an article on EEG measurements that is totally unrelated 222.154.25.7 ( talk) 10:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
This is because TM is a for-profit organization that is active in propagandizing the practice. Where's a section on criticism? This is practically a full page ad for TM.
173.73.65.19 ( talk) 20:22, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Transcendental_Meditation exists - why not merge the two? Smooth Henry ( talk) 00:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, all. I’m reasonably certain the edits I’m applying are going to irritate some folks. I’m not interested in ruffling feathers, but I believe the whole article needs help to make it adhere to encyclopedic guidelines. Anyone wishing to challenge any of my changes is of course free to do so, but please do it in the spirit of making the article better and not because you don’t agree with WP guidelines. TX! Sugarbat ( talk) 18:16, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
"Unlike some other approaches to meditation, TM instruction encourages students not to be alarmed by random thoughts which may arise, but to easily return to…" I don't know of any kind of meditation which teaches to be alarmed by random thoughts. Which approach to meditation would that be? One to be strongly discouraged to practice. -- JonValkenberg ( talk) 12:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
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Before continually restoring the edit, please source the following uncited statement per WP:CS, WP:NPOV, and WP:V.
"Proponents have postulated that one percent of a population (such as a city or country) practicing the technique daily may affect the quality of life for that population group. This has been termed the Maharishi effect."
I am not challenging the veracity of the statement; it deserves a reference in the lead because it purports to be statistical data, and without a reference it is a confusing statement for readers without or with only a cursory knowledge of the topic, who will read the summary but not necessarily the expanded sections (and the expanded sections are long). All the other statements in the lead are cited. This can be addressed with a single inline reference. 124.148.152.143 ( talk) 00:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC) (Edited for clarity 124.148.152.143 ( talk) 00:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC))
Portions of the article are remarkably WP:PROFRINGE with a touch of WP:PROMO. The underlying problem is non-independent sourcing ( WP:SOURCES). This will take some time to fix. Some examples:
Manul ~ talk 12:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
This is still clearly a big problem. Some studies referenced in the article don't relate to the text even indirectly. One passage extolling the virtues of mass meditation on causing societal behavioural changes cites an article on EEG measurements that is totally unrelated 222.154.25.7 ( talk) 10:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
This is because TM is a for-profit organization that is active in propagandizing the practice. Where's a section on criticism? This is practically a full page ad for TM.
173.73.65.19 ( talk) 20:22, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Transcendental_Meditation exists - why not merge the two? Smooth Henry ( talk) 00:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, all. I’m reasonably certain the edits I’m applying are going to irritate some folks. I’m not interested in ruffling feathers, but I believe the whole article needs help to make it adhere to encyclopedic guidelines. Anyone wishing to challenge any of my changes is of course free to do so, but please do it in the spirit of making the article better and not because you don’t agree with WP guidelines. TX! Sugarbat ( talk) 18:16, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
"Unlike some other approaches to meditation, TM instruction encourages students not to be alarmed by random thoughts which may arise, but to easily return to…" I don't know of any kind of meditation which teaches to be alarmed by random thoughts. Which approach to meditation would that be? One to be strongly discouraged to practice. -- JonValkenberg ( talk) 12:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)