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Robert Wagner has been blocked as a notorius sock of Dalai lama ding dong. Unfortunately, he made a huge amount of controversial edits that were often reverted, some were not. I'd suggest going through them and seeing if anything is there that should not be, and reverting if required. --
What is the oldest torah ever found? I.e. what is the oldest, full copy or fragment, of text containing the old testament?
Who wrote the first torah? 2A0D:6FC2:61B3:FA00:A023:8B4E:3147:454D ( talk) 20:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ EveryRay432, I removed that paragraph because the lead section of the article should summarize the content of the article, which the paragraph that I removed does not. That paragraph is also not neutral: it presents a particular point of view in a writing style similar to an essay, not a Wikipedia article. Please take a look at our guideline on words to watch and Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Best, voorts ( talk/ contributions) 20:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Representing the core of the Jewish spiritual and religious tradition, the Torah is a term and a set of teachings that are explicitly self-positioned as encompassing as many as 70 or potentially infinite faces and interpretations, making an unequivocal definition of Torah impossible. Common to all these meanings, the Torah consists of the origin of Jewish peoplehood: their call into being by their God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of moral and religious obligations and civil laws (halakha).
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The Manual of Style states that the lead section (
MOS:LEAD) should identify the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight. I've taken a look at the disputed sections in the lead and while some of the content exists in the main text, there are interpretations which appear only in the lead. This is giving undue weight to these interpretations. The disputed section of the lead is redundant by the following section, which is worded in a more neutral manner summarising the actual content. Longevity is not a shield for content which does not align with our policy and guidelines. I support removing this section of the lead. Polyamorph ( talk) 06:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
The sources cited for this sentence are all from 1998 to 2002. Is it still accurate?
“The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian captivity (c. 6th century BCE), based on earlier written sources and oral traditions, and that it was completed with final revisions during the post-Exilic period (c. 5th century BCE).”
What do scholarly sources since 2002 say? Do all the part of the sentence still hold majority opinion? IncandescentBliss ( talk) 09:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Robert Wagner has been blocked as a notorius sock of Dalai lama ding dong. Unfortunately, he made a huge amount of controversial edits that were often reverted, some were not. I'd suggest going through them and seeing if anything is there that should not be, and reverting if required. --
What is the oldest torah ever found? I.e. what is the oldest, full copy or fragment, of text containing the old testament?
Who wrote the first torah? 2A0D:6FC2:61B3:FA00:A023:8B4E:3147:454D ( talk) 20:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ EveryRay432, I removed that paragraph because the lead section of the article should summarize the content of the article, which the paragraph that I removed does not. That paragraph is also not neutral: it presents a particular point of view in a writing style similar to an essay, not a Wikipedia article. Please take a look at our guideline on words to watch and Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Best, voorts ( talk/ contributions) 20:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Representing the core of the Jewish spiritual and religious tradition, the Torah is a term and a set of teachings that are explicitly self-positioned as encompassing as many as 70 or potentially infinite faces and interpretations, making an unequivocal definition of Torah impossible. Common to all these meanings, the Torah consists of the origin of Jewish peoplehood: their call into being by their God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of moral and religious obligations and civil laws (halakha).
Response to third opinion request: |
The Manual of Style states that the lead section (
MOS:LEAD) should identify the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight. I've taken a look at the disputed sections in the lead and while some of the content exists in the main text, there are interpretations which appear only in the lead. This is giving undue weight to these interpretations. The disputed section of the lead is redundant by the following section, which is worded in a more neutral manner summarising the actual content. Longevity is not a shield for content which does not align with our policy and guidelines. I support removing this section of the lead. Polyamorph ( talk) 06:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
The sources cited for this sentence are all from 1998 to 2002. Is it still accurate?
“The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian captivity (c. 6th century BCE), based on earlier written sources and oral traditions, and that it was completed with final revisions during the post-Exilic period (c. 5th century BCE).”
What do scholarly sources since 2002 say? Do all the part of the sentence still hold majority opinion? IncandescentBliss ( talk) 09:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)