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Following on discussions at Talk:Sovereignty of the Philippines, I've created the initial version of this article.
I've redirected Sovereignty of the Philippines, which was previously an article on this general topic, to this article. I've also redirected Philippine sovereignty (previously a redirect to that last-mentioned article) to this article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Since the preceding edit, this article has been discussed a bit on Talk:Sovereignty of the Philippines. I have asked there that discussion continue here.
Lambanog, I've always been open to your adding cite-supported material to satisfy your POV concerns; of course the burden of evidence responsibility would lie with the editor who added the material (I had looked without success for evidence supporting your POV). You suggested in another venue that one could use Westphalian principles just as effectively to argue on behalf of the First Malolos Republic; I didn't pursue discussing that at the time, but I felt that making such an argument without supporting sources would be original research, and supporting such an argument with multiple sources risks synthesis.
Some recent googling on my part has turned up this source, pages 98-116 (111-116 in particular, at least the parts of that available for preview) appear to offer citeable support for an assertion that Philippine sovereignty was in dispute between the U.S. and the Malolos Republic from the declaration of war on the U.S. by the Malolos Congress on June 2, 1899 until Aguinaldo's swearing of Allegience to the U.S. on April 1, 1901. I suggest that I edit the article to that effect and you remove the NPOV tag. What say? If anyone else has an opinion on this, please chime in. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I've edited the table to describe the period during which the Philippine-American War was declared and ongoing as a period of sovereignty dispute between the U.S. and the Malolos Republic. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The NPOV discussion seems to have petered out. I propose to remove the NPOV tag. If the discussion is to continue, please note the following guidance from the Template:NPOV Template usage notes:
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Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
This template should only be applied to articles that are reasonably believed to lack a neutral point of view. The neutral point of view is determined by the prevalence of a perspective in high-quality reliable sources, not by its prevalence among Wikipedia editors.
I've listed this article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Neutrality#Timeline of Philippine sovereignty. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
As of 30 November 2011 [update] this listing is still open. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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This edit by @ JournalmanManila: caught my eye. I'm not an expert on the historical points involved, but I noticed that there appears to be a conflict here between this article and the timeline detailed in Kingdom of Tondo#Historical Rulers of Tondo. Perhaps this needs some adjustment or clarification in one or both of these articles. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Lakan Suko or sukwo was the possible to fought Bokiah because he reigned from 1417-1430.
they said Lontok converted their faith to islam which means tondo had already sacked by Bruneian empire when lontok had become a Raja /king. we need corrective datings here , This is the problem from this list of kings i only add the names of the kings but i suposed to check their datings later. ( JournalmanManila ( talk) 00:57, 7 November 2016 (UTC))
Both this article and Political history of the Philippines are chronological tables covering the history of the different states/regimes covering the Philippines. The differences are that this article has a bit more on events, while Political history of the Philippines has a bit more on other common aspects of sovereignty. If the table on Political history of the Philippines was pivoted, the two could be merged quite easily. Given they overlap and have similar topics, putting them together into one table feels like it would help the reader. Best, CMD ( talk) 09:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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The contents of the Timeline of Philippine sovereignty page were merged into Political history of the Philippines on 7 April 2021. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
Following on discussions at Talk:Sovereignty of the Philippines, I've created the initial version of this article.
I've redirected Sovereignty of the Philippines, which was previously an article on this general topic, to this article. I've also redirected Philippine sovereignty (previously a redirect to that last-mentioned article) to this article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Since the preceding edit, this article has been discussed a bit on Talk:Sovereignty of the Philippines. I have asked there that discussion continue here.
Lambanog, I've always been open to your adding cite-supported material to satisfy your POV concerns; of course the burden of evidence responsibility would lie with the editor who added the material (I had looked without success for evidence supporting your POV). You suggested in another venue that one could use Westphalian principles just as effectively to argue on behalf of the First Malolos Republic; I didn't pursue discussing that at the time, but I felt that making such an argument without supporting sources would be original research, and supporting such an argument with multiple sources risks synthesis.
Some recent googling on my part has turned up this source, pages 98-116 (111-116 in particular, at least the parts of that available for preview) appear to offer citeable support for an assertion that Philippine sovereignty was in dispute between the U.S. and the Malolos Republic from the declaration of war on the U.S. by the Malolos Congress on June 2, 1899 until Aguinaldo's swearing of Allegience to the U.S. on April 1, 1901. I suggest that I edit the article to that effect and you remove the NPOV tag. What say? If anyone else has an opinion on this, please chime in. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I've edited the table to describe the period during which the Philippine-American War was declared and ongoing as a period of sovereignty dispute between the U.S. and the Malolos Republic. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The NPOV discussion seems to have petered out. I propose to remove the NPOV tag. If the discussion is to continue, please note the following guidance from the Template:NPOV Template usage notes:
This template should only be applied to articles that are reasonably believed to lack a neutral point of view. The neutral point of view is determined by the prevalence of a perspective in high-quality reliable sources, not by its prevalence among Wikipedia editors.
Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
This template should only be applied to articles that are reasonably believed to lack a neutral point of view. The neutral point of view is determined by the prevalence of a perspective in high-quality reliable sources, not by its prevalence among Wikipedia editors.
I've listed this article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Neutrality#Timeline of Philippine sovereignty. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
As of 30 November 2011 [update] this listing is still open. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 03:19, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
This edit by @ JournalmanManila: caught my eye. I'm not an expert on the historical points involved, but I noticed that there appears to be a conflict here between this article and the timeline detailed in Kingdom of Tondo#Historical Rulers of Tondo. Perhaps this needs some adjustment or clarification in one or both of these articles. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Lakan Suko or sukwo was the possible to fought Bokiah because he reigned from 1417-1430.
they said Lontok converted their faith to islam which means tondo had already sacked by Bruneian empire when lontok had become a Raja /king. we need corrective datings here , This is the problem from this list of kings i only add the names of the kings but i suposed to check their datings later. ( JournalmanManila ( talk) 00:57, 7 November 2016 (UTC))
Both this article and Political history of the Philippines are chronological tables covering the history of the different states/regimes covering the Philippines. The differences are that this article has a bit more on events, while Political history of the Philippines has a bit more on other common aspects of sovereignty. If the table on Political history of the Philippines was pivoted, the two could be merged quite easily. Given they overlap and have similar topics, putting them together into one table feels like it would help the reader. Best, CMD ( talk) 09:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)