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The town and city names in this article violate Wikipedia:Naming_conventions. The official names of the cities and towns in English can be found at the official Tatarstan http://www.tatar.ru/index.php?&node_id=791 web site. They are pretty much the same as the most commonly used Englih names. The official/most commonly used name should be used as an article title. Various spellings/former names can be listed in the specific article. It's wrong to name cities by names noone knows or uses. Specifically this applies to: Naberezhnye Chelny (Yar Çallı used in the article), Nizhnekamsk (Tübän Kama used), Almetyevsk (Älmät), Zelenodolsk (Yäşel Üzän), Bugulma (Bögelmä). The towns should be moved to their proper names. Gene s 07:58, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Naming policy poll. If no one voices objections in the next couple of days, I'll start editing the article and will move the town articles. Gene s 08:02, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See here: User_talk:Untifler
Tatar is official language in Tatarstan. Tatar naming could be used also as Russian, which is placed at the official server.
Bilingualism is not problem for Tatarstan. And all naming is correct!
Hello.
-- Untifler 15:22, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Tatar language is a complete language in its full rights. It's why you should not request to treat it in a very different manner. Russian names of course don't have a priority, but most used by English speakers do. Forget Russian, the Wikipedia naming policy doesn't take in consideration if the name is Russian or Tatar. Only the usage in the English language matters in the English wikipedia. Dr Bug (Volodymyr V. Medeiko) 15:42, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
If you see inappropriate use of German/French/Turkish names instead of English ones, please fix or report for others to fix. Thanks! Dr Bug (Volodymyr V. Medeiko) 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
see: Gerhard Schröder, Kemal Atatürk, Arnold Rüütel
ü, ö are not Englısñ letters, also as in Mäğzüm Säläxev.
I was interested. How could you pronounce Cälil, Djalil, Jalil, Dzhalil words (forget, that it is speelings of one name). He used his name in old orthography as Çəlil, but his friend, prisoner André Timmermans, wrote his name as Jalìl... So, is any transliteration/name is better than another?..-- Untifler 19:51, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
As for officiality of the web-sites, there are now any tradition to transliterate our name to English, like Ronaji for Japanese or... So, all transliteration such as Myakzyum Salakhov are the most commonly English, but not official.
-- Untifler 12:30, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Look at this for guidance Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (anglicization) Gene s 14:05, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Респу́блика Татарста́н or Тата́рия There is no Tataria or Татария, only Tatarstan.
"In 1994-2000 Tatarstan was a de facto independent state" is an overstament of planetary, galactic, universal, proportions. Chechnya was a de-facto independent state in 97-2000. Or Kolchak's Siberian republic. But Tatarstan! Please... Gaidash 4 July 2005 08:04 (UTC)
Is Tatarstan a State in the Russian Federation or an Independant Republic? Republic is more usually connected with independant states, rather than federated states. Nomenclature here needs to be specific. Discussion please.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.100.8 ( talk • contribs)
I found it interesting to learn about Tatarstan from the Wikipedia article.
However i cannot understand the following passage which seems ungrammatical and incomplete:
"By Tatarstan Constitution president could be elected only by people of Tatarstan, but due to Russian federal law this law was stopped fo indefinite term. The Russian law about election of governors says, that they should be elected by local parliaments and that the candidate could be presented only by president."
Perhaps it is a literal translation. What is meant is not understandable in English. Hope this helps in some way.
Also, I am new to wikipedia and would be happy to receive feedback about how to contribute. By the way, first i entered above comment in a wrong place, in a new discussion about the Tatarstan history section template. Maybe someone can delete that?
Zalky
There is no official Latin alphabet in Tatar. Is it really necessary to have it in the title? Kazak 01:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Following this logic, therefore, the geographical names within Tatarstan should be transliterated into English not only from Russian but also from Tatar. In other words, Belaya River should also be complemented by Aqidel River. Volga should be followed or even preceded (since it is the language of the dominant titular nation in the area) by İdel. Leaving intact any ethical issues, a monolingual transliteration of these names (whether from Russian OR from Tatar) is completely against the logic described above and the democratic nature of Wikipedia.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.194.112.127 ( talk • contribs) .
What are the major cities of Tatarstan? -- McTrixie 22:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
A treaty recognising sovereignty does not necessarily recognise independence, and in fact Tatarstan/Tataria is not independent; nor does it claim to be. Sovereignty and independence are different. For example, the Isle of Man is sovereign, but it is not independent and allows the UK to determine its foreign policy.
158-152-12-77 21:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
According to this article the line: In 1928 the Tatar Union of the Godless were liquidated in the 1928 purges. links to an article about companies being liquidated. Now in modern American English slang liquidated is another word for murdered but shouldn't the phrase be just that, "murdered? Especially since wikipedia is linking to an article about companies violating laws, etc...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.2.116 ( talk) 16:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Some scholars think that Tatarstan has many parallels with Chechnya. In the 1990s there was a real threat, that Tatarstan might try to secede, and that this would result in a devastating war just like in Chechnya. Perhaps the most important factor in avoiding war was the prudent and wise rule by President Mintimer Shaimiev. Maybe this deserves a mention in the article? What do you think? Offliner ( talk) 08:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
It is a very racist statement to write that because the Chechens fought for their independence then their mentality must be at fault. Where the Polish and other European also 'barbarians' given their struggle against Hitler, Soviet Union and Serbia etc.? Are the Republican Irish, the anti-Spanish in Spain etc. not Europeans either? Moarrikh ( talk) 00:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
"Tatarstan's GDP per capita was USD 12,325 in 2004[19], with GDP in 2008 at about 930 bln rubles.[12]"
I don't think it's very useful to quote an old GDP/capita number from 2004, when we already have the GDP from 2008. Anyone who is interested can calculate the pro capita number from the 2008 GDP figure himself. Offliner ( talk) 18:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I think more emphasis should be put on the multi-cultural aspect of this region. It's a shining example of how Muslim and Christian communities can live side by side happily and without destroying or oppressing each other. One of the few examples of this in the entire world in fact. Here's a quote from the Council of Europe's Commissioner of Human Rights after his visit to Russia:
"10. The example of the Republic of Tatarstan is even more noteworthy. As I pointed out earlier in connection with the rights of national minorities, Tatarstan is a veritable cultural and religious melting pot, in which a spirit of cooperation and dialogue prevail, two values championed by both the President of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Grand Mufti of Kazan, who represents the majority religion in that region. Good relations are in evidence at the highest level. When I visited Kazan's main church, also known as the Old Kremlin of Kazan, I was accompanied by the Metropolitan and the Grand Mufti of the city. All the religious representatives I met emphasised their very good relations with the other faiths and the local authorities. Today Kazan stands out as one of the leading centres of Muslim culture, and the greatly influential Islamic university has done much to cement this reputation. This institution accepts students from all over Russia, and I was pleased to note the presence of a Chechen among the students introduced to me." LokiiT ( talk) 21:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Is it relevant? There may be lots of organizations holding different positions on different laws.-- MathFacts ( talk) 12:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lets go over a few things. 1) I myself can find numerous articles that say the Muslim population of Tatarstan is 52.9%, however these are all BEFORE the 2010 census (i.e 2009, 2008, ....) And actually I think the article you all are trying to force might even have been before the latest census as well. 2) 52.9% was from the 2002 census. Hence it is not suprising that number was previously used. 3) The article says PREDOMINANTLY of the 52.9% is Muslim, meaning we don't actually know the actual Muslim population. I'm only updating from what you all are implying. Therefore it is quite safe to assume that PREDOMINANTLY of the 53.2% is Muslim. Also, if we do take the 52.9 stat, then there's two conflicting numbers since the Tatar population is listed just above the religion section. 4) It is only a difference of 0.3% so I don't think it matters that much. 68.149.133.218 ( talk) 01:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a factual error on the article page in the section called terminology. Ther ending stan in the name Tatarastan, as all other endings of countries of Central Asia e.g. Kazakhstan, Afghanistan and even Pakistan, is not proto-Sanscritic but Farsi/Turkic and should be written as such. It actually is misleading the way it currently written. Please can someone modify this or I will delete it and re-write this section. Moarrikh ( talk) 00:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
The user Soffredo edited in a line in the Modern times section, which makes the claim that Tatarstan "declared independence" in 2008 and asked for UN recognition. The source cited does not corroborate this in any way, it merely relays what a group of Tatar secessionists outside of the Tatarstan political leadership "declared", with the apparent support of Vil Mirzayanov who is an outspoken Tatarstan secessionist and Russian dissident living in the United States. Neither he nor the unofficial Tatar Mejlis in question has any political legitimacy in this regard and they do not represent the Republic of Tatarstan.
Ergo, this assertion is factually wrong, though the article should of course note that there are secessionist movements. 78.70.216.65 ( talk) 08:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
it is 0.864
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Salam friends, this is about the quote from S. Wertheim used here
"some men signal ideological devotion to the Tatar cause by refusing to accommodate to Russian-dominant public space or Russian speakers", whilst women, in promoting "the Tatar state and Tatar national culture, index their pro-Tatar ideological stances more diplomatically, and with linguistic practices situated only within the Tatar-speaking community... in keeping with normative gender roles within the Tatar republic . [2].
it is from an article titled 'Gender, nationalism, and the attempted reconfiguration of sociolinguistic norms'. I believe a more general overview of language in the region might be more appropriate and informative, since this is not a section on "pro-Tatar[language] ideological stances" but rather, the languages spoken in Tatarstan. Seeing how small the section is, I will focus on it for a bit. Insight or feedback or suggestions please reach out! I am always learning. Soyembika ( talk) 22:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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The town and city names in this article violate Wikipedia:Naming_conventions. The official names of the cities and towns in English can be found at the official Tatarstan http://www.tatar.ru/index.php?&node_id=791 web site. They are pretty much the same as the most commonly used Englih names. The official/most commonly used name should be used as an article title. Various spellings/former names can be listed in the specific article. It's wrong to name cities by names noone knows or uses. Specifically this applies to: Naberezhnye Chelny (Yar Çallı used in the article), Nizhnekamsk (Tübän Kama used), Almetyevsk (Älmät), Zelenodolsk (Yäşel Üzän), Bugulma (Bögelmä). The towns should be moved to their proper names. Gene s 07:58, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Naming policy poll. If no one voices objections in the next couple of days, I'll start editing the article and will move the town articles. Gene s 08:02, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See here: User_talk:Untifler
Tatar is official language in Tatarstan. Tatar naming could be used also as Russian, which is placed at the official server.
Bilingualism is not problem for Tatarstan. And all naming is correct!
Hello.
-- Untifler 15:22, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Tatar language is a complete language in its full rights. It's why you should not request to treat it in a very different manner. Russian names of course don't have a priority, but most used by English speakers do. Forget Russian, the Wikipedia naming policy doesn't take in consideration if the name is Russian or Tatar. Only the usage in the English language matters in the English wikipedia. Dr Bug (Volodymyr V. Medeiko) 15:42, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
If you see inappropriate use of German/French/Turkish names instead of English ones, please fix or report for others to fix. Thanks! Dr Bug (Volodymyr V. Medeiko) 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
see: Gerhard Schröder, Kemal Atatürk, Arnold Rüütel
ü, ö are not Englısñ letters, also as in Mäğzüm Säläxev.
I was interested. How could you pronounce Cälil, Djalil, Jalil, Dzhalil words (forget, that it is speelings of one name). He used his name in old orthography as Çəlil, but his friend, prisoner André Timmermans, wrote his name as Jalìl... So, is any transliteration/name is better than another?..-- Untifler 19:51, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
As for officiality of the web-sites, there are now any tradition to transliterate our name to English, like Ronaji for Japanese or... So, all transliteration such as Myakzyum Salakhov are the most commonly English, but not official.
-- Untifler 12:30, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Look at this for guidance Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (anglicization) Gene s 14:05, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Респу́блика Татарста́н or Тата́рия There is no Tataria or Татария, only Tatarstan.
"In 1994-2000 Tatarstan was a de facto independent state" is an overstament of planetary, galactic, universal, proportions. Chechnya was a de-facto independent state in 97-2000. Or Kolchak's Siberian republic. But Tatarstan! Please... Gaidash 4 July 2005 08:04 (UTC)
Is Tatarstan a State in the Russian Federation or an Independant Republic? Republic is more usually connected with independant states, rather than federated states. Nomenclature here needs to be specific. Discussion please.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.100.8 ( talk • contribs)
I found it interesting to learn about Tatarstan from the Wikipedia article.
However i cannot understand the following passage which seems ungrammatical and incomplete:
"By Tatarstan Constitution president could be elected only by people of Tatarstan, but due to Russian federal law this law was stopped fo indefinite term. The Russian law about election of governors says, that they should be elected by local parliaments and that the candidate could be presented only by president."
Perhaps it is a literal translation. What is meant is not understandable in English. Hope this helps in some way.
Also, I am new to wikipedia and would be happy to receive feedback about how to contribute. By the way, first i entered above comment in a wrong place, in a new discussion about the Tatarstan history section template. Maybe someone can delete that?
Zalky
There is no official Latin alphabet in Tatar. Is it really necessary to have it in the title? Kazak 01:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Following this logic, therefore, the geographical names within Tatarstan should be transliterated into English not only from Russian but also from Tatar. In other words, Belaya River should also be complemented by Aqidel River. Volga should be followed or even preceded (since it is the language of the dominant titular nation in the area) by İdel. Leaving intact any ethical issues, a monolingual transliteration of these names (whether from Russian OR from Tatar) is completely against the logic described above and the democratic nature of Wikipedia.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.194.112.127 ( talk • contribs) .
What are the major cities of Tatarstan? -- McTrixie 22:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
A treaty recognising sovereignty does not necessarily recognise independence, and in fact Tatarstan/Tataria is not independent; nor does it claim to be. Sovereignty and independence are different. For example, the Isle of Man is sovereign, but it is not independent and allows the UK to determine its foreign policy.
158-152-12-77 21:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
According to this article the line: In 1928 the Tatar Union of the Godless were liquidated in the 1928 purges. links to an article about companies being liquidated. Now in modern American English slang liquidated is another word for murdered but shouldn't the phrase be just that, "murdered? Especially since wikipedia is linking to an article about companies violating laws, etc...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.2.116 ( talk) 16:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Some scholars think that Tatarstan has many parallels with Chechnya. In the 1990s there was a real threat, that Tatarstan might try to secede, and that this would result in a devastating war just like in Chechnya. Perhaps the most important factor in avoiding war was the prudent and wise rule by President Mintimer Shaimiev. Maybe this deserves a mention in the article? What do you think? Offliner ( talk) 08:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
It is a very racist statement to write that because the Chechens fought for their independence then their mentality must be at fault. Where the Polish and other European also 'barbarians' given their struggle against Hitler, Soviet Union and Serbia etc.? Are the Republican Irish, the anti-Spanish in Spain etc. not Europeans either? Moarrikh ( talk) 00:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
"Tatarstan's GDP per capita was USD 12,325 in 2004[19], with GDP in 2008 at about 930 bln rubles.[12]"
I don't think it's very useful to quote an old GDP/capita number from 2004, when we already have the GDP from 2008. Anyone who is interested can calculate the pro capita number from the 2008 GDP figure himself. Offliner ( talk) 18:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I think more emphasis should be put on the multi-cultural aspect of this region. It's a shining example of how Muslim and Christian communities can live side by side happily and without destroying or oppressing each other. One of the few examples of this in the entire world in fact. Here's a quote from the Council of Europe's Commissioner of Human Rights after his visit to Russia:
"10. The example of the Republic of Tatarstan is even more noteworthy. As I pointed out earlier in connection with the rights of national minorities, Tatarstan is a veritable cultural and religious melting pot, in which a spirit of cooperation and dialogue prevail, two values championed by both the President of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Grand Mufti of Kazan, who represents the majority religion in that region. Good relations are in evidence at the highest level. When I visited Kazan's main church, also known as the Old Kremlin of Kazan, I was accompanied by the Metropolitan and the Grand Mufti of the city. All the religious representatives I met emphasised their very good relations with the other faiths and the local authorities. Today Kazan stands out as one of the leading centres of Muslim culture, and the greatly influential Islamic university has done much to cement this reputation. This institution accepts students from all over Russia, and I was pleased to note the presence of a Chechen among the students introduced to me." LokiiT ( talk) 21:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Is it relevant? There may be lots of organizations holding different positions on different laws.-- MathFacts ( talk) 12:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lets go over a few things. 1) I myself can find numerous articles that say the Muslim population of Tatarstan is 52.9%, however these are all BEFORE the 2010 census (i.e 2009, 2008, ....) And actually I think the article you all are trying to force might even have been before the latest census as well. 2) 52.9% was from the 2002 census. Hence it is not suprising that number was previously used. 3) The article says PREDOMINANTLY of the 52.9% is Muslim, meaning we don't actually know the actual Muslim population. I'm only updating from what you all are implying. Therefore it is quite safe to assume that PREDOMINANTLY of the 53.2% is Muslim. Also, if we do take the 52.9 stat, then there's two conflicting numbers since the Tatar population is listed just above the religion section. 4) It is only a difference of 0.3% so I don't think it matters that much. 68.149.133.218 ( talk) 01:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a factual error on the article page in the section called terminology. Ther ending stan in the name Tatarastan, as all other endings of countries of Central Asia e.g. Kazakhstan, Afghanistan and even Pakistan, is not proto-Sanscritic but Farsi/Turkic and should be written as such. It actually is misleading the way it currently written. Please can someone modify this or I will delete it and re-write this section. Moarrikh ( talk) 00:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
The user Soffredo edited in a line in the Modern times section, which makes the claim that Tatarstan "declared independence" in 2008 and asked for UN recognition. The source cited does not corroborate this in any way, it merely relays what a group of Tatar secessionists outside of the Tatarstan political leadership "declared", with the apparent support of Vil Mirzayanov who is an outspoken Tatarstan secessionist and Russian dissident living in the United States. Neither he nor the unofficial Tatar Mejlis in question has any political legitimacy in this regard and they do not represent the Republic of Tatarstan.
Ergo, this assertion is factually wrong, though the article should of course note that there are secessionist movements. 78.70.216.65 ( talk) 08:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
it is 0.864
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Salam friends, this is about the quote from S. Wertheim used here
"some men signal ideological devotion to the Tatar cause by refusing to accommodate to Russian-dominant public space or Russian speakers", whilst women, in promoting "the Tatar state and Tatar national culture, index their pro-Tatar ideological stances more diplomatically, and with linguistic practices situated only within the Tatar-speaking community... in keeping with normative gender roles within the Tatar republic . [2].
it is from an article titled 'Gender, nationalism, and the attempted reconfiguration of sociolinguistic norms'. I believe a more general overview of language in the region might be more appropriate and informative, since this is not a section on "pro-Tatar[language] ideological stances" but rather, the languages spoken in Tatarstan. Seeing how small the section is, I will focus on it for a bit. Insight or feedback or suggestions please reach out! I am always learning. Soyembika ( talk) 22:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)