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It is not true that Svetlana's Lover, Alexej Kapler, was "sent to a Siberian camp and died". He was, indeed, arrested and exiled to Vorkuta, a coal-mining city near the polar circle. He did not live under prison conditions. And, more, important, he did not die there. He fell in love to the actress Valentina Tokarskaya (who was also exiled). After Stalin's death, both returned to Moscow, where he lived until 1979. Sources: Zalesskii, K.A.: Imperia Stalina. Moskva 2000; Vasilyeva, L.N.: Kremlevskye deti. Moskva 1996.
So she was Stalina, and not Dzhugashvili. Did Stalin legally change his surname?
Hehe, Stalin WAS the law. So I guess so. Whether there was ever a formal bureucratic process to do this is for the Soviet historians to discern and duly annotate. Sjc
What became of Stalin's granddaughter? Mmartins
Wondering the same thing, I found an article that said that Olga Peters went to Britain, but this was back in 1984 when she was 13 (does that line up chronologically? Fephisto 05:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
There was an article today in the (Portland) Oregonian regarding her: see http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/11/portland_granddaughter_of_jose.html. She evidentally manages a boutique in Portland, Oregon. PhilD86 ( talk) 04:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I recall reading that Svetlana Alliluyeva's second stay in Britain was in Bristol, but I can't verify it. Can anyone confirm this?
In 1986 Olga left Tbilisi, Georgia with her mother and went back to Friend's School in Saffren Walden England. I first visited the 2 of them in Tbilisi, Georgia in early October, 1985 while with a US-Soviet Tennish FRienship tour. Svetlana gave me the name, address and phone number of Senator Hayakawa who was living in northern California. I called to tell them that Svetlana had received no mail and was interested in going back to the West. I later visited Olga at Friend's School in June of 1986. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibdaman ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
the labor camp of Vorkuta in Siberia
Vorkuta is not in Siberia. Siim 15:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
svetlana actualy married Brajesh Singh. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.152.166.110
Svetlana did not marry Mikhail Kaganovich; she suggests that no such person, to her knowledge, exists. In "Only One Year" (Harper & Row, c1969, p. 382) she writes about "the story spread in the West about 'Stalin's third wife' -- the mythical Rosa Kaganovich...." and also about her own supposed marriage to a Kaganovich. Svetlana writes: "Oddly enough, in the West they stubbornly tried to relate us to the Kaganovich family. To my astonishment, I learned from the German magazine 'Stern' that I had been married to 'Kaganovich's son' -- to my astonishment inasmuch as Kaganovich had no son. I actually had been friends with his daughter, and the adopted boy in the family was ten years younger than I; he, when he grew up, married a girl student of his own age." ~~J. Anderson, 29 January 2007
Someone who knows what they are doing should split it up into sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.12 ( talk) 05:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
What ever happened to her first couple of children, Jospeh, and Ekaterina? They seem totally forgotten during the article. Would be nice to know.
there's plenty of TIME articles about the time of her defection, e.g. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallbones ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
this was removed by an anon - I'll suggest that it be reinserted with a proper reference in the proper form. Her religious beliefs are certainly relevent (if documented).
"During this time religion in Russia was taboo. So Christian's were unable to share their faith willingly & openly because the Government would raid their meetings or people would disappear. Svetlana has been quoted as saying:
I was brought up in a family where there was never any talk about God. However, I found that it was impossible to exist without God in one's heart.
This is in accordance to the book (Christians in the shadow of the Kremlin: by Anita & Peter Deyneka, Jr.)Another reason for which the Government of Russia had reason to arouse contoversies with her."
As always,
Smallbones ( talk) 03:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
There are no sources she has Russian citizenship, so I am removing it. DVoit 15:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
"At 17, she fell in love with a fellow student at Moscow University, Grigory Morozov, also Jewish"
-what is meant by saying "also jewish"? Was her first lover, Alexei Kapler, Jewish? I can find no source for this claim. I think the reference should be removed unless some argument can be made for its relevance. (Did her father dislike her lovers because they were Jewish?)-- Kpstewart ( talk) 03:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The article seems to describe a life that was one long series of erratic actions and decisions, coupled with continuous association with rather bizarre persons. Has anyone ever bothered to investigate Alliluyeva's mental health? Aadieu ( talk) 16:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
She died Nov.22 2011. source http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/world/europe/stalins-daughter-dies-at-85.html?_r=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.157.89 ( talk) 20:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
In this wiki article it claims that 'Alliluyeva was approached by United States embassy in New Delhi', but there is no citation needed. However, in an article I came across it appears that she wasn't approached. http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/stalins-daughter-lana-peters-dies-at-85 I think this is an issue that needs investigation. Tweisbach ( talk) 01:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
The article says : In his memoirs, Khrushchev recalled an occasion when Stalin, during a drunken rage at a party, dragged a crying Alliluyeva onto a dance floor by her hair. However, in the reference, the newspaper article gives that Stalin became abusive in his later years & Kruschev's account is about Svetlana being taken by the hair and forced to dance. Anyone? Otherwise I'll change it. Manytexts ( talk) 22:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
The article suggests that Svetlana spent 8 months in India, which is incorrect. According to her own biography "Only One Year" she was originally given a visa for one month. She arrived in India in December and overstayed her visa, leaving in early March (the 6th I believe). I will amend accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.4.249 ( talk) 03:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Don't know where this information came from but according to "Only One Year" she fled India with Qantas airlines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.4.249 ( talk) 03:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Do we really need "Lana Peters" transliterated into Georgian? This seems to be yet another example of Wikipedians showing off, but adding nothing informative to the article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 18:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
This sentence needs clarification:
As it reads now, it sounds like they continued to live together, even after he died, until she moved to the US. What it's probably trying to say is that she lived in that house for four years until he died, and then she moved to the US.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 10:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC) Esprit15d • talk • contribs 10:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
As of this writing, there is a huge chunk of German text in the middle of this article. I don't know the purpose of it, but I'd like someone more comfortable with editing pages to take a look. Zarchasmpgmr ( talk) 23:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Catholic_Church_(disambiguation) shows that the "Catholic Church" can be understood in several ways. More correct to say that she became a Roman Catholic. Contaldo80 ( talk) 08:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Her mother, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, died on 9 November 1932. The death was officially ruled as peritonitis resulting from a burst appendix. However, there were various other theories as to the cause of her death: murder on the orders of Stalin; that she was killed by Stalin himself; or that Nadezhda committed suicide.
I have removed the following unsourced fragment:
As I recollect Svetlana's memoirs her childhood was spent on Kuntsevo Dacha. It was the primary residence for Joseph Stalin and he obviously was not able not to to see his children there. Sergei Efimov, an NKVD general was the commandant of the Dacha, Svetlana writes that unlike the other officers he indeed loved the children but he obviously had many other duties other than personally looking after the children. Stalin obviously did not care much about his children but not to the degree the article suggested. Alex Bakharev ( talk) 07:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
There's nothing on her move to the UK or, barring one out of place sentence, anything on the 19 years she lived there. Anyone? Ganpati23 ( talk) 14:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
is there a reason to say 'feast of St Lucia' and not at least include "Dec. 13"?-- 2607:FEA8:D5DF:FEF6:285B:FA7A:DE97:F2F0 ( talk) 18:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
The lede claims In 1967, she caused an international furor when she defected to, and later became a naturalized citizen of, the United States. but, perusing the section about her defection, I can't seem to find any indication of international outrage or furor or pleasant rejoicing or anything, for that matter. Not that I doubt she caused a furor, but shouldn't the lede section summarize the body? Elizium23 ( talk) 04:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
This phrase is POV trash, and should be replaced with language that at least feigns neutrality. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:7C84:C06:A3C1:2409 ( talk) 02:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
the Miscellany section says, "When she defected to the United States, the CIA reportedly gave her an IQ test and her score was "off the charts."
This is a pretty stupid detail, I would say probably not encyclopaedic.
80.229.146.237 ( talk) 21:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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It is not true that Svetlana's Lover, Alexej Kapler, was "sent to a Siberian camp and died". He was, indeed, arrested and exiled to Vorkuta, a coal-mining city near the polar circle. He did not live under prison conditions. And, more, important, he did not die there. He fell in love to the actress Valentina Tokarskaya (who was also exiled). After Stalin's death, both returned to Moscow, where he lived until 1979. Sources: Zalesskii, K.A.: Imperia Stalina. Moskva 2000; Vasilyeva, L.N.: Kremlevskye deti. Moskva 1996.
So she was Stalina, and not Dzhugashvili. Did Stalin legally change his surname?
Hehe, Stalin WAS the law. So I guess so. Whether there was ever a formal bureucratic process to do this is for the Soviet historians to discern and duly annotate. Sjc
What became of Stalin's granddaughter? Mmartins
Wondering the same thing, I found an article that said that Olga Peters went to Britain, but this was back in 1984 when she was 13 (does that line up chronologically? Fephisto 05:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
There was an article today in the (Portland) Oregonian regarding her: see http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/11/portland_granddaughter_of_jose.html. She evidentally manages a boutique in Portland, Oregon. PhilD86 ( talk) 04:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I recall reading that Svetlana Alliluyeva's second stay in Britain was in Bristol, but I can't verify it. Can anyone confirm this?
In 1986 Olga left Tbilisi, Georgia with her mother and went back to Friend's School in Saffren Walden England. I first visited the 2 of them in Tbilisi, Georgia in early October, 1985 while with a US-Soviet Tennish FRienship tour. Svetlana gave me the name, address and phone number of Senator Hayakawa who was living in northern California. I called to tell them that Svetlana had received no mail and was interested in going back to the West. I later visited Olga at Friend's School in June of 1986. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibdaman ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
the labor camp of Vorkuta in Siberia
Vorkuta is not in Siberia. Siim 15:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
svetlana actualy married Brajesh Singh. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.152.166.110
Svetlana did not marry Mikhail Kaganovich; she suggests that no such person, to her knowledge, exists. In "Only One Year" (Harper & Row, c1969, p. 382) she writes about "the story spread in the West about 'Stalin's third wife' -- the mythical Rosa Kaganovich...." and also about her own supposed marriage to a Kaganovich. Svetlana writes: "Oddly enough, in the West they stubbornly tried to relate us to the Kaganovich family. To my astonishment, I learned from the German magazine 'Stern' that I had been married to 'Kaganovich's son' -- to my astonishment inasmuch as Kaganovich had no son. I actually had been friends with his daughter, and the adopted boy in the family was ten years younger than I; he, when he grew up, married a girl student of his own age." ~~J. Anderson, 29 January 2007
Someone who knows what they are doing should split it up into sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.12 ( talk) 05:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
What ever happened to her first couple of children, Jospeh, and Ekaterina? They seem totally forgotten during the article. Would be nice to know.
there's plenty of TIME articles about the time of her defection, e.g. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallbones ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
this was removed by an anon - I'll suggest that it be reinserted with a proper reference in the proper form. Her religious beliefs are certainly relevent (if documented).
"During this time religion in Russia was taboo. So Christian's were unable to share their faith willingly & openly because the Government would raid their meetings or people would disappear. Svetlana has been quoted as saying:
I was brought up in a family where there was never any talk about God. However, I found that it was impossible to exist without God in one's heart.
This is in accordance to the book (Christians in the shadow of the Kremlin: by Anita & Peter Deyneka, Jr.)Another reason for which the Government of Russia had reason to arouse contoversies with her."
As always,
Smallbones ( talk) 03:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
There are no sources she has Russian citizenship, so I am removing it. DVoit 15:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
"At 17, she fell in love with a fellow student at Moscow University, Grigory Morozov, also Jewish"
-what is meant by saying "also jewish"? Was her first lover, Alexei Kapler, Jewish? I can find no source for this claim. I think the reference should be removed unless some argument can be made for its relevance. (Did her father dislike her lovers because they were Jewish?)-- Kpstewart ( talk) 03:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The article seems to describe a life that was one long series of erratic actions and decisions, coupled with continuous association with rather bizarre persons. Has anyone ever bothered to investigate Alliluyeva's mental health? Aadieu ( talk) 16:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
She died Nov.22 2011. source http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/world/europe/stalins-daughter-dies-at-85.html?_r=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.157.89 ( talk) 20:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
In this wiki article it claims that 'Alliluyeva was approached by United States embassy in New Delhi', but there is no citation needed. However, in an article I came across it appears that she wasn't approached. http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/stalins-daughter-lana-peters-dies-at-85 I think this is an issue that needs investigation. Tweisbach ( talk) 01:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
The article says : In his memoirs, Khrushchev recalled an occasion when Stalin, during a drunken rage at a party, dragged a crying Alliluyeva onto a dance floor by her hair. However, in the reference, the newspaper article gives that Stalin became abusive in his later years & Kruschev's account is about Svetlana being taken by the hair and forced to dance. Anyone? Otherwise I'll change it. Manytexts ( talk) 22:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
The article suggests that Svetlana spent 8 months in India, which is incorrect. According to her own biography "Only One Year" she was originally given a visa for one month. She arrived in India in December and overstayed her visa, leaving in early March (the 6th I believe). I will amend accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.4.249 ( talk) 03:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Don't know where this information came from but according to "Only One Year" she fled India with Qantas airlines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.4.249 ( talk) 03:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Do we really need "Lana Peters" transliterated into Georgian? This seems to be yet another example of Wikipedians showing off, but adding nothing informative to the article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 18:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
This sentence needs clarification:
As it reads now, it sounds like they continued to live together, even after he died, until she moved to the US. What it's probably trying to say is that she lived in that house for four years until he died, and then she moved to the US.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 10:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC) Esprit15d • talk • contribs 10:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
As of this writing, there is a huge chunk of German text in the middle of this article. I don't know the purpose of it, but I'd like someone more comfortable with editing pages to take a look. Zarchasmpgmr ( talk) 23:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Catholic_Church_(disambiguation) shows that the "Catholic Church" can be understood in several ways. More correct to say that she became a Roman Catholic. Contaldo80 ( talk) 08:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Her mother, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, died on 9 November 1932. The death was officially ruled as peritonitis resulting from a burst appendix. However, there were various other theories as to the cause of her death: murder on the orders of Stalin; that she was killed by Stalin himself; or that Nadezhda committed suicide.
I have removed the following unsourced fragment:
As I recollect Svetlana's memoirs her childhood was spent on Kuntsevo Dacha. It was the primary residence for Joseph Stalin and he obviously was not able not to to see his children there. Sergei Efimov, an NKVD general was the commandant of the Dacha, Svetlana writes that unlike the other officers he indeed loved the children but he obviously had many other duties other than personally looking after the children. Stalin obviously did not care much about his children but not to the degree the article suggested. Alex Bakharev ( talk) 07:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
There's nothing on her move to the UK or, barring one out of place sentence, anything on the 19 years she lived there. Anyone? Ganpati23 ( talk) 14:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
is there a reason to say 'feast of St Lucia' and not at least include "Dec. 13"?-- 2607:FEA8:D5DF:FEF6:285B:FA7A:DE97:F2F0 ( talk) 18:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
The lede claims In 1967, she caused an international furor when she defected to, and later became a naturalized citizen of, the United States. but, perusing the section about her defection, I can't seem to find any indication of international outrage or furor or pleasant rejoicing or anything, for that matter. Not that I doubt she caused a furor, but shouldn't the lede section summarize the body? Elizium23 ( talk) 04:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
This phrase is POV trash, and should be replaced with language that at least feigns neutrality. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:7C84:C06:A3C1:2409 ( talk) 02:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
the Miscellany section says, "When she defected to the United States, the CIA reportedly gave her an IQ test and her score was "off the charts."
This is a pretty stupid detail, I would say probably not encyclopaedic.
80.229.146.237 ( talk) 21:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)