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Could someone please explain who and where some early form of jazz is called "Storyville jazz" as the article claims? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 06:56, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The Mayor Beherman quote is in Rose's book among other places (it was long fairly well known). I've edited down the description of San Francisco "cribs" -- rather interesting stuff, but a long discussion seems tangential to this article. If we don't yet have that info in an article on historic prostitution in San Francisco, perhaps we should. If we do, a link to that article might be better here than a paragraph going over that material. -- Infrogmation 02:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I have removed from the article sentences reading "In New Orleans, brothels were segregated into black and white houses. Black men, however, were not permitted to access either house." The second sentence is touched on above; black men couldn't be johns in the downtown houses for white johns but there where other places within the city where they could. They were "permitted to access" the houses for white johns to the extent that they were hired help (if "permitted access" is intended as a euphamism for hiring the prostitutes, plainer language would be clearer.) Statement that brothels were "segregated into black and white houses" seems inaccurate as well; for example one house offered an "around the world tour" for well heeled customers featuring women from every continent. -- Infrogmation 03:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
There was a second Storyville for blacks, commonly called "Black Storyville" on the uptown side of Canal Street. See the map in Subversive Sounds: Race and the Birth of Jazz in New Orleans by Charles Hersch. This was a rough district, with some of the wilder early jazz halls, like the famous Funky Butt Hall. Why isn't it here? Is it listed somewhere else? 76.22.20.146 ( talk) 07:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed the parenthetical "(the term "crib" originated in San Francisco's red-light district)" because this is certainly untrue. "Crib" is used in Dicken's 1838 "Oliver Twist" in this general context, which was almost certainly not the first use thereof in English literature and I find it nigh impossible that San Francisco slang made its way to early Victorian England, where Charles Dickens picked it up. San Francisco in 1838 was a sleepy backwater of less than 1,000 residents, an old mission town, it didn't start to grow until the Gold Rush 11 years after Oliver Twist was published. There is no way the parenthetical I removed is accurate. Bizlawprof 20:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source to show they were peddling drugs out of Storyville as well? MsGingerHoneycutt ( talk) 18:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
From the listed May O'Brien you are redirected to May Lorna O'Brien, which obviously wasn't any of the brothel proprietors. 165.225.80.106 ( talk) 07:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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I was thinking of adding some content about the recent archaelogical digs on Bienville street that found some items from Storyville. I don't know if it will add much to the article, but it points to children being very present in the area which would connect to Louis Armstrong spending time there as a child as well. Anyone have thoughts? AshleyQman ( talk) 16:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
The reference link to number 17 is broken. I'm trying to see if I can find an alternate source before I delete it. Anyone know where to find a reference to the ladies waving to the trains? AshleyQman ( talk) 00:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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Could someone please explain who and where some early form of jazz is called "Storyville jazz" as the article claims? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 06:56, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The Mayor Beherman quote is in Rose's book among other places (it was long fairly well known). I've edited down the description of San Francisco "cribs" -- rather interesting stuff, but a long discussion seems tangential to this article. If we don't yet have that info in an article on historic prostitution in San Francisco, perhaps we should. If we do, a link to that article might be better here than a paragraph going over that material. -- Infrogmation 02:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I have removed from the article sentences reading "In New Orleans, brothels were segregated into black and white houses. Black men, however, were not permitted to access either house." The second sentence is touched on above; black men couldn't be johns in the downtown houses for white johns but there where other places within the city where they could. They were "permitted to access" the houses for white johns to the extent that they were hired help (if "permitted access" is intended as a euphamism for hiring the prostitutes, plainer language would be clearer.) Statement that brothels were "segregated into black and white houses" seems inaccurate as well; for example one house offered an "around the world tour" for well heeled customers featuring women from every continent. -- Infrogmation 03:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
There was a second Storyville for blacks, commonly called "Black Storyville" on the uptown side of Canal Street. See the map in Subversive Sounds: Race and the Birth of Jazz in New Orleans by Charles Hersch. This was a rough district, with some of the wilder early jazz halls, like the famous Funky Butt Hall. Why isn't it here? Is it listed somewhere else? 76.22.20.146 ( talk) 07:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed the parenthetical "(the term "crib" originated in San Francisco's red-light district)" because this is certainly untrue. "Crib" is used in Dicken's 1838 "Oliver Twist" in this general context, which was almost certainly not the first use thereof in English literature and I find it nigh impossible that San Francisco slang made its way to early Victorian England, where Charles Dickens picked it up. San Francisco in 1838 was a sleepy backwater of less than 1,000 residents, an old mission town, it didn't start to grow until the Gold Rush 11 years after Oliver Twist was published. There is no way the parenthetical I removed is accurate. Bizlawprof 20:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source to show they were peddling drugs out of Storyville as well? MsGingerHoneycutt ( talk) 18:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
From the listed May O'Brien you are redirected to May Lorna O'Brien, which obviously wasn't any of the brothel proprietors. 165.225.80.106 ( talk) 07:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hello all, I have just added new information to the music section and cleaned up the syntax of the section with cited sources. "psithurism311" ( talk) 23:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking of adding some content about the recent archaelogical digs on Bienville street that found some items from Storyville. I don't know if it will add much to the article, but it points to children being very present in the area which would connect to Louis Armstrong spending time there as a child as well. Anyone have thoughts? AshleyQman ( talk) 16:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
The reference link to number 17 is broken. I'm trying to see if I can find an alternate source before I delete it. Anyone know where to find a reference to the ladies waving to the trains? AshleyQman ( talk) 00:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)