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To all those people who over the weekend changed dozens of articles with stuff like "Joe Bloggs was sworn in as Minister for X on Monday 13 September" - read this and weep. The swearing in has been scheduled for Tuesday 14 September.
Just shows the folly of not playing by WP rules that prohibit stating future events as if they'd already happened. Which has always seemed to be an extraordinarily sensible rule to me, and one not flaunted without significant risk to one's credibility and general reputation. In future, please just hold off, or if you absolutely have to say something, say that such and such is expected to occur on whatever date. Then, if it doesn't happen on that date, you're not in the position of having told a lie. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 08:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Whenever there is a new cabinet announced, there's a bit of confusion regarding article titles, infoboxes and succession boxes, especially where ministries have been split, merged, created or abolished. Just wanted to get some of these issues on the table so we can discuss, edit, move, merge or delete as necessary.
So, for example, there's the issue of the Education portfolio. The portfolio has been split into Schools, Early Childhood and Youth ( Peter Garrett) and Tertiary Education ( Chris Evans). The article Minister for Education (Australia) lists Garrett as the incumbent, however before I saw this I moved Minister of Youth (Australia) to the new ministerial title of Minister for Schools, Early Childhood and Youth (Australia), also listing Garrett as the incumbent. Note that these edits may pre-date this morning's restoration of Tertiary Education into Evans' title, so it may have appeared that Garrett was the only minister with a clear Education responsibility. Anyway, what do folks think we should do here? Should Minister for Education (Australia) remain a list up to Crean, with notes that the portfolio was split into two other ministries? -- Canley ( talk) 05:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I have suggested merging the new article Third Gillard Ministry into this article. I'm not positive, it seems to be an unwritten convention, that we would list it as a separate Ministry list only if the government had won an election, or if the Prime Minister otherwise changed (such as Rudd to Gillard). Have sought more feedback and consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Third Gillard Ministry?. I know it can get messy to list all the changes taking place in a reshuffle in a single article, but take a look at the Howard ministries: there are only four, although he changed his cabinet around many more times. -- Canley ( talk) 00:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Does this deserve an entirely new table, as was used for the December 2011 reshuffle? I'm inclined to say yes, for two reasons: firstly, it greatly improves readability (in the older ministry lists I'm forever glancing back and forth to work out what changed when, especially when there were significant reshuffles during the term), and secondly, I really like the option of having a brief summary of notable changes before the table. Frickeg ( talk) 07:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I am going to make the change. Three people supported it, and one opposed it. The reshuffle was important both in terms of its cause and effect. It was caused by a significant event, the 2012 spill, and it resulted in 11 ministerial revocations and 12 appointments, and two new Executive Councillors were sworn. Also, despite what the table says, the 2 March resignations were announcements, and the ministers involved actually left post on 5 March. - Rrius ( talk) 03:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Yay, more work. [1] Dengero ( talk) 00:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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To all those people who over the weekend changed dozens of articles with stuff like "Joe Bloggs was sworn in as Minister for X on Monday 13 September" - read this and weep. The swearing in has been scheduled for Tuesday 14 September.
Just shows the folly of not playing by WP rules that prohibit stating future events as if they'd already happened. Which has always seemed to be an extraordinarily sensible rule to me, and one not flaunted without significant risk to one's credibility and general reputation. In future, please just hold off, or if you absolutely have to say something, say that such and such is expected to occur on whatever date. Then, if it doesn't happen on that date, you're not in the position of having told a lie. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 08:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Whenever there is a new cabinet announced, there's a bit of confusion regarding article titles, infoboxes and succession boxes, especially where ministries have been split, merged, created or abolished. Just wanted to get some of these issues on the table so we can discuss, edit, move, merge or delete as necessary.
So, for example, there's the issue of the Education portfolio. The portfolio has been split into Schools, Early Childhood and Youth ( Peter Garrett) and Tertiary Education ( Chris Evans). The article Minister for Education (Australia) lists Garrett as the incumbent, however before I saw this I moved Minister of Youth (Australia) to the new ministerial title of Minister for Schools, Early Childhood and Youth (Australia), also listing Garrett as the incumbent. Note that these edits may pre-date this morning's restoration of Tertiary Education into Evans' title, so it may have appeared that Garrett was the only minister with a clear Education responsibility. Anyway, what do folks think we should do here? Should Minister for Education (Australia) remain a list up to Crean, with notes that the portfolio was split into two other ministries? -- Canley ( talk) 05:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I have suggested merging the new article Third Gillard Ministry into this article. I'm not positive, it seems to be an unwritten convention, that we would list it as a separate Ministry list only if the government had won an election, or if the Prime Minister otherwise changed (such as Rudd to Gillard). Have sought more feedback and consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Third Gillard Ministry?. I know it can get messy to list all the changes taking place in a reshuffle in a single article, but take a look at the Howard ministries: there are only four, although he changed his cabinet around many more times. -- Canley ( talk) 00:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Does this deserve an entirely new table, as was used for the December 2011 reshuffle? I'm inclined to say yes, for two reasons: firstly, it greatly improves readability (in the older ministry lists I'm forever glancing back and forth to work out what changed when, especially when there were significant reshuffles during the term), and secondly, I really like the option of having a brief summary of notable changes before the table. Frickeg ( talk) 07:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I am going to make the change. Three people supported it, and one opposed it. The reshuffle was important both in terms of its cause and effect. It was caused by a significant event, the 2012 spill, and it resulted in 11 ministerial revocations and 12 appointments, and two new Executive Councillors were sworn. Also, despite what the table says, the 2 March resignations were announcements, and the ministers involved actually left post on 5 March. - Rrius ( talk) 03:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Yay, more work. [1] Dengero ( talk) 00:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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