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Somebody again attempted to damage this article.
Someone is obsessed with trying to add opinionated and non-NPOV info, and attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
San Bernardino county isn't about crime or gangs, but a place where upper-class and white-collar professionals have moved to in lagrge numbers. There are white supremacists in the county though, like the California Golden Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in Fontana and the National Association for Advancement of white people in Rialto (san Bernardino). I recall former representative David Duke, a self-claimed racist and former klansman bought a mansionette in Fontana. There is some Aryan Nations/Neo-Nazi gang activity like the Nazi Low Riders in Ontario/Chino known for carjacking, drug trafficking and harassment of minorities. We need to write new topics and more articles on San Bernardino county, not limited to the negative. + 207.200.116.201 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Why the desire to protect/lock an article that is so biased against San Bernardino County?
There are lots of great places in San Bernardino County.
The gang section is just unacceptable, and yet is protected by someone out of the country who doesn't even live in San Bernardino County?
What happened to the talk page that used to be here, and had protests against this smearing?
This article, or more accurately, this smear campaign against San Bernardino County, is a disgrace to the Wikipedia Community!!!
Thanks for responding.
Just as one example, can you really say this is "unbiased"?
Quote: "San Bernardino County is infamous for its gang activity."
This is not only absurd, it's just plain wrong. The county is huge, and has many nice places, and yes, a few rough places, too, but it certainly is not quote "infamous".
This section really needs to be rewritten, as numerous people correctly pointed out on the previous talk page before it was deleted just recently.
Thanks for reading.
Perhaps it could be rewritten as some places in san bernardino county are infamous for gang activity? I live in rialto, and we have 1.5 times the national average for violence but that doesn't make it infamous for it's gang activity. san berdoo is the eighteenth most dangerous city in the us and they're only a couple miles away but rialto is much safer it seems. showing just how spotty the gang violence is. - signed by anon IP
That's much better. I'm impressed with Wikipedia.
I think it's still a bit harsh, though.
I agree, the best way is to further develop the article.
Like you said, I'll look up some more information, and be back later to contribute..
We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
Somebody again attempted to damage this article.
Someone attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
Maybe we should just eliminate the crime section? It looks like several people have been modifying it, some with NPOV and others with an opinionated POV, and it still isn't a NPOV. Also, it doesn't seem to add much to the article.
The page was again damaged by someone with a biased agenda (the pro-gang troll), and I repaired with the more NPOV on file.
The time zone currently shows up as "Mountain," although the source (correctly) says Pacific? - signed by anon IP
Does "The county is larger in area than the states of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware combined. Any of those states could be replaced in the list by New Jersey, Vermont, or New Hampshire." mean what it appears to? If so, does anyone else think that that happens to be the most completely awkward phrasing possible? 68.39.174.238 20:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
San Bernardino County is the largest "county" in the US, which the article states, but it is not the largest "county-equivalent," because several Alaska boroughs are larger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boroughs_and_census_areas_in_Alaska
This is already mentioned in the San Bernardino County article, but whoever wrote it designated the Yukon-Koyukuk Census Area as the largest county-equivalent in the US, which is arguably not correct at all. Like much of Alaska, Yukon-Koyukuk is in the vast "unorganized borough" of Alaska and thus not part of a county-equivalent.
The largest then would be the North Slope Borough: North Slope Borough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough%2C_Alaska
I'm going to change the article to reflect that, but I'm just putting out the reasons why now, just in case Yukon-Koyukuk was someone's baby.
By the way, as someone who grew up in Orange County, I've always liked San Bernardino County — the vast, open desert is way cool, and the people I know in San Berdo's "Inland Empire" cities are all great people. Why someone would come to Wikipedia to trash San Bernardino County is beyond me. Sure, there's some crime, but that's true everywhere in California, including Orange County (and not just Santa Ana). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushibo ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand that it is big, but the intro is meant to summarize the content of the article, and a whole paragraphtwo paragraphs in the intro telling us just how big San Bernardino County is comparatively are a little excessive. I have stripped most of it out... it was a little interesting, but it was a bit repetitive and the relevance is debatable. --
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The county is clearly named after the city of san bernardino, just like riverside county is named after riverside city, the same is for San Diego County. NOw the city is named after Saint Bernardine, not county, see source/reference. House1090 ( talk) 05:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
if you guys are going to put information about the county, IT NEEDS TO BE CITED. if not i am going to delete it. 75.25.19.115 ( talk) 21:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
then you cite it like so "encyclopedia." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2009.
Merriam-Webster Online. 16 November 2009 < http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/encyclopedia> so if i see no citations on this article, i will delete it because it has no prof that it is actually cited work Javiern ( talk) 22:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
A recent edit was made about a possible change of county seat. It appears that a newspaper columnist "heard some say that it would be good if the county seat moved", and wrote this article. I do not believe this kind of speculation by a single person should be included in an encyclopedia article. Any other thoughts? Thanks, Alanraywiki ( talk) 00:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
why is there no image of the county flag 75.26.156.205 ( talk) 02:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
quiero tomar un examen para el certified food worker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.1.230 ( talk) 15:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
As a student of etymology, I am fascinated by this abbreviation. Where does this name come from? Googling this name shows mainly tatoo references which doesn't seem likely :) Old_Wombat ( talk) 09:25, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the table of companies derived from the Chamber of Commerce statistics includes Temecula, even though Temecula is actually part of Riverside County, not San Bernardino County. However it doesn't seem right to edit data derived from an external source. thoughts? Keithh ( talk) 16:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Not a bad article, but it is missing a "climate" subsection under geography. (And, no, I don't have one in my back pocket!)
BTW, you could probably move towns/cities under "government" if you wished. Student7 ( talk) 00:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
The "County of Riverside" is the largest employer in the San Bernadino County ? Oh really ? How does that work, then ? This defies basic credibility. Those figures come from the website of the San Bernardino Chamber of Commerce. Is the geographical scope of the San Bernardino Chamber of Commerce, precisely coterminous with the actual county ? Eregli bob ( talk) 23:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Another clue as to the accuracy of the Chamber of Commerce list: UC Riverside is listed twice, with different numbers of employees, and that duplication does come from the original, cited source. Checking the Chamber of Commerce Website, that source list seems to be a crude cut-and-paste of plain text in typewriter font into a Web template, with poor results. It also appears that the list is static, as the content copied to Wikipedia in 2012 is unchanged at the source in 2014, and may in fact be older than 2012. Although this is a published source, it may not be reliable. 50.181.30.121 ( talk) 20:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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could we not get a proper map of the county, on the article? or perhaps more than 1; topography, towns & roads, climate, etc....
Lx 121 ( talk) 05:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
The list of cities in the San Bernardino Valley doesn't include Montclair, incorporated as Monte Vista(1956), name changed to Montclair(1958). Montclair, in San Bernardino County, is bounded on the west by Pomona and Claremont, on the north by Upland,on the east by Ontario, and on the south by Chino.
I don't have a source. I grew up in Montclair and just know these facts, as anyone from the west end of San Bernardino County, with any sense of geography, would. If Upland, Ontario, and Chino are in the San Bernardino Valley, so is Montclair.
03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC) Bruin75 ( talk)On the other hand, on the Wikipedia Pomona Valley page, it lists the San Bernardino County cities of Montclair, Upland, Rancho Cucamonga, and Ontario as being in the Pomona Valley.
On the Wikipedia Upland page it says Upland is in the San Bernardino Valley but no mention of the Pomona Valley. Bruin75 ( talk) 03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
There is a San Bernardino County, California redirect to this article. This must be circular and wrong. See Kelso Wash. Please correct.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 15:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Should they be added to the page? they are not cities or towns, but they have semi-autonomous control from the county. All the community service districts have their own board. For example wrightwood residents have control over their sanitation and parks under the wrightwood CSD, but not zoning. so should it be its own section 2603:8000:5000:E9D2:C4EC:7244:7262:B40C ( talk) 02:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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Somebody again attempted to damage this article.
Someone is obsessed with trying to add opinionated and non-NPOV info, and attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
San Bernardino county isn't about crime or gangs, but a place where upper-class and white-collar professionals have moved to in lagrge numbers. There are white supremacists in the county though, like the California Golden Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in Fontana and the National Association for Advancement of white people in Rialto (san Bernardino). I recall former representative David Duke, a self-claimed racist and former klansman bought a mansionette in Fontana. There is some Aryan Nations/Neo-Nazi gang activity like the Nazi Low Riders in Ontario/Chino known for carjacking, drug trafficking and harassment of minorities. We need to write new topics and more articles on San Bernardino county, not limited to the negative. + 207.200.116.201 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Why the desire to protect/lock an article that is so biased against San Bernardino County?
There are lots of great places in San Bernardino County.
The gang section is just unacceptable, and yet is protected by someone out of the country who doesn't even live in San Bernardino County?
What happened to the talk page that used to be here, and had protests against this smearing?
This article, or more accurately, this smear campaign against San Bernardino County, is a disgrace to the Wikipedia Community!!!
Thanks for responding.
Just as one example, can you really say this is "unbiased"?
Quote: "San Bernardino County is infamous for its gang activity."
This is not only absurd, it's just plain wrong. The county is huge, and has many nice places, and yes, a few rough places, too, but it certainly is not quote "infamous".
This section really needs to be rewritten, as numerous people correctly pointed out on the previous talk page before it was deleted just recently.
Thanks for reading.
Perhaps it could be rewritten as some places in san bernardino county are infamous for gang activity? I live in rialto, and we have 1.5 times the national average for violence but that doesn't make it infamous for it's gang activity. san berdoo is the eighteenth most dangerous city in the us and they're only a couple miles away but rialto is much safer it seems. showing just how spotty the gang violence is. - signed by anon IP
That's much better. I'm impressed with Wikipedia.
I think it's still a bit harsh, though.
I agree, the best way is to further develop the article.
Like you said, I'll look up some more information, and be back later to contribute..
We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
Somebody again attempted to damage this article.
Someone attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.
Maybe we should just eliminate the crime section? It looks like several people have been modifying it, some with NPOV and others with an opinionated POV, and it still isn't a NPOV. Also, it doesn't seem to add much to the article.
The page was again damaged by someone with a biased agenda (the pro-gang troll), and I repaired with the more NPOV on file.
The time zone currently shows up as "Mountain," although the source (correctly) says Pacific? - signed by anon IP
Does "The county is larger in area than the states of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware combined. Any of those states could be replaced in the list by New Jersey, Vermont, or New Hampshire." mean what it appears to? If so, does anyone else think that that happens to be the most completely awkward phrasing possible? 68.39.174.238 20:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
San Bernardino County is the largest "county" in the US, which the article states, but it is not the largest "county-equivalent," because several Alaska boroughs are larger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boroughs_and_census_areas_in_Alaska
This is already mentioned in the San Bernardino County article, but whoever wrote it designated the Yukon-Koyukuk Census Area as the largest county-equivalent in the US, which is arguably not correct at all. Like much of Alaska, Yukon-Koyukuk is in the vast "unorganized borough" of Alaska and thus not part of a county-equivalent.
The largest then would be the North Slope Borough: North Slope Borough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough%2C_Alaska
I'm going to change the article to reflect that, but I'm just putting out the reasons why now, just in case Yukon-Koyukuk was someone's baby.
By the way, as someone who grew up in Orange County, I've always liked San Bernardino County — the vast, open desert is way cool, and the people I know in San Berdo's "Inland Empire" cities are all great people. Why someone would come to Wikipedia to trash San Bernardino County is beyond me. Sure, there's some crime, but that's true everywhere in California, including Orange County (and not just Santa Ana). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushibo ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand that it is big, but the intro is meant to summarize the content of the article, and a whole paragraphtwo paragraphs in the intro telling us just how big San Bernardino County is comparatively are a little excessive. I have stripped most of it out... it was a little interesting, but it was a bit repetitive and the relevance is debatable. --
Node (
talk) 12:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The county is clearly named after the city of san bernardino, just like riverside county is named after riverside city, the same is for San Diego County. NOw the city is named after Saint Bernardine, not county, see source/reference. House1090 ( talk) 05:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
if you guys are going to put information about the county, IT NEEDS TO BE CITED. if not i am going to delete it. 75.25.19.115 ( talk) 21:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
then you cite it like so "encyclopedia." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2009.
Merriam-Webster Online. 16 November 2009 < http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/encyclopedia> so if i see no citations on this article, i will delete it because it has no prof that it is actually cited work Javiern ( talk) 22:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
A recent edit was made about a possible change of county seat. It appears that a newspaper columnist "heard some say that it would be good if the county seat moved", and wrote this article. I do not believe this kind of speculation by a single person should be included in an encyclopedia article. Any other thoughts? Thanks, Alanraywiki ( talk) 00:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
why is there no image of the county flag 75.26.156.205 ( talk) 02:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
quiero tomar un examen para el certified food worker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.1.230 ( talk) 15:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
As a student of etymology, I am fascinated by this abbreviation. Where does this name come from? Googling this name shows mainly tatoo references which doesn't seem likely :) Old_Wombat ( talk) 09:25, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the table of companies derived from the Chamber of Commerce statistics includes Temecula, even though Temecula is actually part of Riverside County, not San Bernardino County. However it doesn't seem right to edit data derived from an external source. thoughts? Keithh ( talk) 16:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Not a bad article, but it is missing a "climate" subsection under geography. (And, no, I don't have one in my back pocket!)
BTW, you could probably move towns/cities under "government" if you wished. Student7 ( talk) 00:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
The "County of Riverside" is the largest employer in the San Bernadino County ? Oh really ? How does that work, then ? This defies basic credibility. Those figures come from the website of the San Bernardino Chamber of Commerce. Is the geographical scope of the San Bernardino Chamber of Commerce, precisely coterminous with the actual county ? Eregli bob ( talk) 23:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Another clue as to the accuracy of the Chamber of Commerce list: UC Riverside is listed twice, with different numbers of employees, and that duplication does come from the original, cited source. Checking the Chamber of Commerce Website, that source list seems to be a crude cut-and-paste of plain text in typewriter font into a Web template, with poor results. It also appears that the list is static, as the content copied to Wikipedia in 2012 is unchanged at the source in 2014, and may in fact be older than 2012. Although this is a published source, it may not be reliable. 50.181.30.121 ( talk) 20:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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could we not get a proper map of the county, on the article? or perhaps more than 1; topography, towns & roads, climate, etc....
Lx 121 ( talk) 05:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
The list of cities in the San Bernardino Valley doesn't include Montclair, incorporated as Monte Vista(1956), name changed to Montclair(1958). Montclair, in San Bernardino County, is bounded on the west by Pomona and Claremont, on the north by Upland,on the east by Ontario, and on the south by Chino.
I don't have a source. I grew up in Montclair and just know these facts, as anyone from the west end of San Bernardino County, with any sense of geography, would. If Upland, Ontario, and Chino are in the San Bernardino Valley, so is Montclair.
03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC) Bruin75 ( talk)On the other hand, on the Wikipedia Pomona Valley page, it lists the San Bernardino County cities of Montclair, Upland, Rancho Cucamonga, and Ontario as being in the Pomona Valley.
On the Wikipedia Upland page it says Upland is in the San Bernardino Valley but no mention of the Pomona Valley. Bruin75 ( talk) 03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
There is a San Bernardino County, California redirect to this article. This must be circular and wrong. See Kelso Wash. Please correct.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 15:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Should they be added to the page? they are not cities or towns, but they have semi-autonomous control from the county. All the community service districts have their own board. For example wrightwood residents have control over their sanitation and parks under the wrightwood CSD, but not zoning. so should it be its own section 2603:8000:5000:E9D2:C4EC:7244:7262:B40C ( talk) 02:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)