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Leaning opposed, as the nominator has not provided a rationale that has any discernable relationship to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
People are often known by their surname, and the painter definitely is, so the initial proposal isn't right. Let's use this opportunity to analyze the usage statistics a bit:
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https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Peter_Paul_Rubens doesn't show the hatnote within the top 20 outgoing destinations for February '24. There's a huge amount of organic interest in this topic so the ratio isn't necessarily relevant, but the relative lack of interest among the outgoing destinations might be.
I looked into the clickstream archive parts I have downloaded so far:
clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 58
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 174
clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 81
clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 63
clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 83
clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 83
clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 87
clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 76
So it's consistently being clicked (appears in every month that I see), but the volume isn't really impressive.
This sounds like consistently >90% of traffic that lands on this page after following the redirect doesn't click the hatnote.
So all in all this still seems like a reasonable primary redirect. A more coherent argument, based on either usage or long-term significance, should be made instead if we want to make changes here. --
Joy (
talk) 10:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Peter Paul has 23,065 views but Rubens Barrichello has 20,993, the 2001 footballer has 372, the album has 56, the 1928 footballer has 52, the film has 50 and the horse has 10[
[1]]. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 20:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Rubens Barrichello is not known in reliable sources as "Rubens".
162 etc. (
talk) 21:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply - Can anyone prove that Peter Paul Rubens is known as "Rubens"? --
Jax 0677 (
talk) 21:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
When you do e.g. a Google Books search for Rubens, do you see "Rubens: A Genius at Work" (2007), "Gender, Politics, and Allegory in the Art of Rubens" (2005), "Rubens" (2004), "Rubens and the Eloquence of Drawing" (2017), "Rubens & Brueghel: A Working Friendship" (2006), ...? It's not uncommon for the artist to be referred to mononymously in that field. The same search does bring up other topics, but it's just more people with the same surname. We could ponder if the mass of all other Rubens outweighs the artist, perhaps? --
Joy (
talk) 21:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support – Since the name Rubens is broad enough to represent more than one direct relationship, in addition to the artist.
Svartner (
talk) 14:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Peter Paul Rubens is the primary topic on grounds of long-term significance.
Egsan Bacon (
talk) 02:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Leaning opposed, as the nominator has not provided a rationale that has any discernable relationship to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 00:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
People are often known by their surname, and the painter definitely is, so the initial proposal isn't right. Let's use this opportunity to analyze the usage statistics a bit:
Expand for extended statistics chatter
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Peter_Paul_Rubens doesn't show the hatnote within the top 20 outgoing destinations for February '24. There's a huge amount of organic interest in this topic so the ratio isn't necessarily relevant, but the relative lack of interest among the outgoing destinations might be.
I looked into the clickstream archive parts I have downloaded so far:
clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 58
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 174
clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 81
clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 63
clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 83
clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 83
clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 87
clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:Peter_Paul_Rubens Rubens_(disambiguation) link 76
So it's consistently being clicked (appears in every month that I see), but the volume isn't really impressive.
This sounds like consistently >90% of traffic that lands on this page after following the redirect doesn't click the hatnote.
So all in all this still seems like a reasonable primary redirect. A more coherent argument, based on either usage or long-term significance, should be made instead if we want to make changes here. --
Joy (
talk) 10:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Peter Paul has 23,065 views but Rubens Barrichello has 20,993, the 2001 footballer has 372, the album has 56, the 1928 footballer has 52, the film has 50 and the horse has 10[
[1]]. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 20:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Rubens Barrichello is not known in reliable sources as "Rubens".
162 etc. (
talk) 21:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply - Can anyone prove that Peter Paul Rubens is known as "Rubens"? --
Jax 0677 (
talk) 21:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
When you do e.g. a Google Books search for Rubens, do you see "Rubens: A Genius at Work" (2007), "Gender, Politics, and Allegory in the Art of Rubens" (2005), "Rubens" (2004), "Rubens and the Eloquence of Drawing" (2017), "Rubens & Brueghel: A Working Friendship" (2006), ...? It's not uncommon for the artist to be referred to mononymously in that field. The same search does bring up other topics, but it's just more people with the same surname. We could ponder if the mass of all other Rubens outweighs the artist, perhaps? --
Joy (
talk) 21:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support – Since the name Rubens is broad enough to represent more than one direct relationship, in addition to the artist.
Svartner (
talk) 14:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Peter Paul Rubens is the primary topic on grounds of long-term significance.
Egsan Bacon (
talk) 02:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.