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They're described in sources as being active on Facebook and its members are amorphous and anonymous. This is relevant information, but User:Arms & Hearts removed all reference to it. I believe it merits inclusion. Graywalls ( talk) 00:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Bobfrombrockley:, what they're saying is INDIVIDUAL members and the who is who of the group are anonymous and amorphous, but what they do online and on Facebook as a group is highly organized. So, I don't think this is contradictory but if equally reliable sources provide contradicting account, we attribute in text and provide both sides, per WP:SOURCETYPES. "Rose City Antifa, which is based in Portland and is one of the oldest and most organized Antifa groups, encouraged its followers to attend the rally." [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graywalls ( talk • contribs) 13:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC) @ Arms & Hearts:, did that clear up any possible confusion? Graywalls ( talk) 01:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
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This could be considered for inclusion https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/4/eye-gouging-and-powerpoint-project-veritas-infiltr/ Graywalls ( talk) 22:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
There's not much point trying to add content with references such as this and this that don't even mention Rose City Antifa. FDW777 ( talk) 17:43, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Graywalls: Could you explain in a bit more depth why you think including the content you've removed is a WP:NPOV issue? Including a brief description of the group by one of its members, published in an unimpeachably reliable source, seems like it should be uncontroversial. Are there perhaps parts of the Mogelson piece that you think should be mentioned but aren't? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:09, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Graywalls and Bobfrombrockley: I was hoping others might weigh in here, but seeing as they haven't and a compromise doesn't seem likely I think an RfC would be useful, unless there are any objections or ideas for alternatives? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Has never said anything about Rose City Antifa. FDW777 ( talk) 08:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
As Jouranlsit Any Ngo won a law suit against the Antifa assault on him, this should be on the page. https://www.foxnews.com/us/andy-ngo-scores-legal-win-portland-antifa-judge-awards-300k-in-damages Unselfstudier ( talk) 13:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
right-wing media figure Andy...Ngo’s lawsuit for assault, battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress laid the blame on six people, as well as Rose City Antifa. The lawsuit initially included a RICO claim against Rose City Antifa, but the charge and defendant were dismissed from the case after it was determined the group isn’t an organized legal entity subject to being sued. Ngo initially sought $900,000 in damages, to compensate for medical bills, lost income, and emotional distress.[3]
conservative writer...Ngo has already prevailed against three of the defendants — Madison L. Allen, Katherine Belyea and Joseph C. Evans — as the trio refused to answer court summons and a judge ruled that they had lost the case by default last month. But Ngo’s bid to put the group Rose City Antifa on trial failed when Multnomah County Circuit Judge Rima Ghandour ruled July 14 that the amorphous group could not be sued because it was not a discrete legal entity.[4]
After seven days of trial, a 12-person jury found no fault against activists John Hacker and Elizabeth Richter in a lawsuit that sought over $300,000 for a variety of alleged incidents involving multiple people between 2019 and 2021, according to the Civil Liberties Defense Center, which supported the defendants. Ngo originally sought $900,000 from multiple defendants, but at least three defendants were dropped from the lawsuit, and the judge dismissed a racketeering complaint after determining that Rose City Antifa is not a legal entity. Anti-fascist protest groups such as Rose City Antifa in Portland are often informal rather than organized nonprofits, and it’s unclear whether protesters who chased down Ngo could be considered “members” of the Rose City formation. The protesters were anonymous and wearing masks, which Ngo and others often hail as proof of some broad conspiracy. Rumors and memes about leftists throwing milkshakes full of wet concrete that day in 2019 have been debunked.[5]
A conservative writer and videographer in Portland is seeking $900,000 from left-wing activists that he says repeatedly beat, robbed and terrorized him for filming them in the streets. Andy Ngo lists five people by name and another 50 “John Does” in a civil lawsuit filed Thursday in Multnomah County Circuit Court. He also alleges that their marching orders came from another defendant named in the lawsuit — Rose City Antifa, an amorphous and largely anonymous group of anti-fascists.
Conservative media personality Andy Ngo brought a case against Rose City Antifa for alleged assaults in 2019, but the court ruled that the amorphous and largely anonymous group does not constitute a legal entity with members.BobFromBrockley ( talk) 12:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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They're described in sources as being active on Facebook and its members are amorphous and anonymous. This is relevant information, but User:Arms & Hearts removed all reference to it. I believe it merits inclusion. Graywalls ( talk) 00:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Bobfrombrockley:, what they're saying is INDIVIDUAL members and the who is who of the group are anonymous and amorphous, but what they do online and on Facebook as a group is highly organized. So, I don't think this is contradictory but if equally reliable sources provide contradicting account, we attribute in text and provide both sides, per WP:SOURCETYPES. "Rose City Antifa, which is based in Portland and is one of the oldest and most organized Antifa groups, encouraged its followers to attend the rally." [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graywalls ( talk • contribs) 13:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC) @ Arms & Hearts:, did that clear up any possible confusion? Graywalls ( talk) 01:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
References
This could be considered for inclusion https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/4/eye-gouging-and-powerpoint-project-veritas-infiltr/ Graywalls ( talk) 22:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
There's not much point trying to add content with references such as this and this that don't even mention Rose City Antifa. FDW777 ( talk) 17:43, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Graywalls: Could you explain in a bit more depth why you think including the content you've removed is a WP:NPOV issue? Including a brief description of the group by one of its members, published in an unimpeachably reliable source, seems like it should be uncontroversial. Are there perhaps parts of the Mogelson piece that you think should be mentioned but aren't? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:09, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Graywalls and Bobfrombrockley: I was hoping others might weigh in here, but seeing as they haven't and a compromise doesn't seem likely I think an RfC would be useful, unless there are any objections or ideas for alternatives? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Has never said anything about Rose City Antifa. FDW777 ( talk) 08:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
As Jouranlsit Any Ngo won a law suit against the Antifa assault on him, this should be on the page. https://www.foxnews.com/us/andy-ngo-scores-legal-win-portland-antifa-judge-awards-300k-in-damages Unselfstudier ( talk) 13:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
right-wing media figure Andy...Ngo’s lawsuit for assault, battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress laid the blame on six people, as well as Rose City Antifa. The lawsuit initially included a RICO claim against Rose City Antifa, but the charge and defendant were dismissed from the case after it was determined the group isn’t an organized legal entity subject to being sued. Ngo initially sought $900,000 in damages, to compensate for medical bills, lost income, and emotional distress.[3]
conservative writer...Ngo has already prevailed against three of the defendants — Madison L. Allen, Katherine Belyea and Joseph C. Evans — as the trio refused to answer court summons and a judge ruled that they had lost the case by default last month. But Ngo’s bid to put the group Rose City Antifa on trial failed when Multnomah County Circuit Judge Rima Ghandour ruled July 14 that the amorphous group could not be sued because it was not a discrete legal entity.[4]
After seven days of trial, a 12-person jury found no fault against activists John Hacker and Elizabeth Richter in a lawsuit that sought over $300,000 for a variety of alleged incidents involving multiple people between 2019 and 2021, according to the Civil Liberties Defense Center, which supported the defendants. Ngo originally sought $900,000 from multiple defendants, but at least three defendants were dropped from the lawsuit, and the judge dismissed a racketeering complaint after determining that Rose City Antifa is not a legal entity. Anti-fascist protest groups such as Rose City Antifa in Portland are often informal rather than organized nonprofits, and it’s unclear whether protesters who chased down Ngo could be considered “members” of the Rose City formation. The protesters were anonymous and wearing masks, which Ngo and others often hail as proof of some broad conspiracy. Rumors and memes about leftists throwing milkshakes full of wet concrete that day in 2019 have been debunked.[5]
A conservative writer and videographer in Portland is seeking $900,000 from left-wing activists that he says repeatedly beat, robbed and terrorized him for filming them in the streets. Andy Ngo lists five people by name and another 50 “John Does” in a civil lawsuit filed Thursday in Multnomah County Circuit Court. He also alleges that their marching orders came from another defendant named in the lawsuit — Rose City Antifa, an amorphous and largely anonymous group of anti-fascists.
Conservative media personality Andy Ngo brought a case against Rose City Antifa for alleged assaults in 2019, but the court ruled that the amorphous and largely anonymous group does not constitute a legal entity with members.BobFromBrockley ( talk) 12:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)