This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Romanians was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
|
This page has archives. Sections older than 30 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III. |
Any race can be Romanian. There is black Romanians, Chinese Romanians, Jewish Romanians and many Gypsy Romani Romanians. Most Romanians are of Roma (Gypsy) ethnicity born in Romania. Roma Gypsies are the fastest growing ethnic group in Romania. Jews are historically from Romania too. Please remove or change Romanians the first sentence stating that Romanian is a ethnic group. Romanian is a nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.145.4.233 ( talk) 08:09, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the articleand indeed are not there for discussing other pages in other wikiprojects. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 14:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The Spanish government estimates the number of Gitanos at a maximum of 650,000.
It is unclear what made this people leave the Indian sub-continent but they are generally believed to have originated from central India, possibly in the modern Indian state of Rajasthan, migrating to the northwest around 250 BC.
slav
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).In all fairness, what is that, for real? Should it even be there? The impression I get from reading it is that it was on purpose placed there and that is biased. Any thoughts?
Any thoughts please on this? Thank you very much in advance!
Maybe I'm asking too much but has anyone read the Romanians wikipedia page but the German version? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum%C3%A4nen
10% represents a few words about Romanians like "there 23,8 million Romanians around the world" and 90% is about the "Ethnogenesis of the Romanians" ("Die rumänische Ethnogenese"). There should be a separate page for the "Origins/Ethnogenesis of the Romanians" just like there is in English: Origin of the Romanians
This page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum%C3%A4nen must be the most unprofessional article I've ever read on wikipedia. It's nothing like the superior English version with many references and topics regarding Romanians. Nothing about the Culture of Romania, List of Romanian inventors and discoverers, Romanian literature, Romanian architecture, Science and technology in Romania, Vlachs, Great Vlachia, Wallachia, Moldavia, Alexandru Ioan Cuza, Danubian Principalities, Unification of Moldavia and Wallachia, United Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia, Greater Romania, Romanian language, Romanian Orthodox Church, Romanian Greek Catholic Church. I asked in German using google translate on the German wikipedia version of "Romanians" but nobody helped *sigh*. Can anyone please help?
Per
NOTFORUM - Off topic discussion. Please discuss on their talk page.
|
---|
Ninhursag3 ( talk) 19:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
|
The ethnogenesis part of this section is written in prose, but the genetics discussion is just a list of studies and haplogroup numbers, meaningless to a reader and reliant on a slew of primary sources. This needs rewriting. Does anyone have a secondary source about genetics relating to Romanian ethogenesis? Or should I just remove all that? Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 07:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The prevailing Y-chromosome in Wallachia (Ploiești, Dolj), Moldavia (Piatra Neamț, Buhuși), Dobruja (Constanța), and northern Republic of Moldova is recorded to be Haplogroup I.[clarification needed] On the basis of 361 samples, Haplogroup I occurs at 32% in Romanians. The frequency of I2a1 (I-P37) in the Balkans today is owed to indigenous European hunter-gatherers tribes, and was present before the Slavic expansion.
According to an Y-chromosome analysis of 335 sampled Romanians, 15% of them belong to R1a. Haplogroup R1a among Romanians is entirely from the Eastern European variety Z282 and may be a result of Baltic, Thracian or Slavic descent. R1a-Z280 outnumbers R1a-M458 among Romanians, the opposite phenomena is typical for Poles, Czechs and Bulgarians. 12% of the Romanians belong to R1b, the Alpino-Italic branch R1b-U152 is at 2% per 330 samples, a lower frequency recorded than other Balkan peoples. The branches R1b-U106, R1b-DF27 and R1b-L21 make up 1% respectively. The eastern branches R1b-M269* and L23* (Z2103) make up 7% and outnumber the Atlantic branches, they prevail in parts of east, central Europe and as a result of Greek colonisation – in parts of Sicily as well. 8% of the Romanians belong to E1b1b1a1 (E-M78) per 265 samples. Other studies analyzing the haplogroup frequency among Romanians came to similar results.
In 2021, the largest genetic genealogy company in the world, Ancestry.com, contradicted the 2017 study based on more recent genetic findings.That text raises alarm bells. The article is user generated by one Neil Edwards. Who is he? we are told a "Genealogist and family-tree research specialist" (which both appear to be the same thing, and is how much of Ancestry.com's user base might self describe. We have no qualifications, and no publications I can find (his name is a common one, so hard to be certain on this point, but restricting publications to the field of genealogy, his purported specialism, brings up nothing). There is no peer review of this piece, so claiming, in Wikivoice, that this contradicts earlier research is definitely not OK. And again, per WP:ANCESTRY, the Wikipedia community has decided that Ancestry.com is generally unreliable for this kind of thing. If the concusion is sound, there will be better sources available. If no better secondary sources exist, it is unsound. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 10:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The article should begin (not end) with the Origin of the Romanians. This way the article Origin of the Romanians will be linked only once. Any encyclopedia reader would want the history of the Romanian people to actually start with their origin. RF354 ( talk) 09:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
WP:BLUDGEON. Don't mislead the readers because of WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT. That's it. RF354 ( talk) 10:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
This page has inconsistent referencing. There are 30 sfn references but about 150 inline references. It appears information is being copied from pages with sfn without adapting the references (a problem not unique to this page). I was going to just fix these until I saw there were 30 of them. Instead, I will create a bibliography so the references work at least. We then could do with a discussion as to what the best referencing style actually is. Although there are more of the inline style, the origins page uses sfn, and sfn does make a page easier to edit. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 19:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Romanians was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
|
This page has archives. Sections older than 30 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III. |
Any race can be Romanian. There is black Romanians, Chinese Romanians, Jewish Romanians and many Gypsy Romani Romanians. Most Romanians are of Roma (Gypsy) ethnicity born in Romania. Roma Gypsies are the fastest growing ethnic group in Romania. Jews are historically from Romania too. Please remove or change Romanians the first sentence stating that Romanian is a ethnic group. Romanian is a nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.145.4.233 ( talk) 08:09, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the articleand indeed are not there for discussing other pages in other wikiprojects. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 14:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The Spanish government estimates the number of Gitanos at a maximum of 650,000.
It is unclear what made this people leave the Indian sub-continent but they are generally believed to have originated from central India, possibly in the modern Indian state of Rajasthan, migrating to the northwest around 250 BC.
slav
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).In all fairness, what is that, for real? Should it even be there? The impression I get from reading it is that it was on purpose placed there and that is biased. Any thoughts?
Any thoughts please on this? Thank you very much in advance!
Maybe I'm asking too much but has anyone read the Romanians wikipedia page but the German version? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum%C3%A4nen
10% represents a few words about Romanians like "there 23,8 million Romanians around the world" and 90% is about the "Ethnogenesis of the Romanians" ("Die rumänische Ethnogenese"). There should be a separate page for the "Origins/Ethnogenesis of the Romanians" just like there is in English: Origin of the Romanians
This page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum%C3%A4nen must be the most unprofessional article I've ever read on wikipedia. It's nothing like the superior English version with many references and topics regarding Romanians. Nothing about the Culture of Romania, List of Romanian inventors and discoverers, Romanian literature, Romanian architecture, Science and technology in Romania, Vlachs, Great Vlachia, Wallachia, Moldavia, Alexandru Ioan Cuza, Danubian Principalities, Unification of Moldavia and Wallachia, United Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia, Greater Romania, Romanian language, Romanian Orthodox Church, Romanian Greek Catholic Church. I asked in German using google translate on the German wikipedia version of "Romanians" but nobody helped *sigh*. Can anyone please help?
Per
NOTFORUM - Off topic discussion. Please discuss on their talk page.
|
---|
Ninhursag3 ( talk) 19:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
|
The ethnogenesis part of this section is written in prose, but the genetics discussion is just a list of studies and haplogroup numbers, meaningless to a reader and reliant on a slew of primary sources. This needs rewriting. Does anyone have a secondary source about genetics relating to Romanian ethogenesis? Or should I just remove all that? Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 07:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The prevailing Y-chromosome in Wallachia (Ploiești, Dolj), Moldavia (Piatra Neamț, Buhuși), Dobruja (Constanța), and northern Republic of Moldova is recorded to be Haplogroup I.[clarification needed] On the basis of 361 samples, Haplogroup I occurs at 32% in Romanians. The frequency of I2a1 (I-P37) in the Balkans today is owed to indigenous European hunter-gatherers tribes, and was present before the Slavic expansion.
According to an Y-chromosome analysis of 335 sampled Romanians, 15% of them belong to R1a. Haplogroup R1a among Romanians is entirely from the Eastern European variety Z282 and may be a result of Baltic, Thracian or Slavic descent. R1a-Z280 outnumbers R1a-M458 among Romanians, the opposite phenomena is typical for Poles, Czechs and Bulgarians. 12% of the Romanians belong to R1b, the Alpino-Italic branch R1b-U152 is at 2% per 330 samples, a lower frequency recorded than other Balkan peoples. The branches R1b-U106, R1b-DF27 and R1b-L21 make up 1% respectively. The eastern branches R1b-M269* and L23* (Z2103) make up 7% and outnumber the Atlantic branches, they prevail in parts of east, central Europe and as a result of Greek colonisation – in parts of Sicily as well. 8% of the Romanians belong to E1b1b1a1 (E-M78) per 265 samples. Other studies analyzing the haplogroup frequency among Romanians came to similar results.
In 2021, the largest genetic genealogy company in the world, Ancestry.com, contradicted the 2017 study based on more recent genetic findings.That text raises alarm bells. The article is user generated by one Neil Edwards. Who is he? we are told a "Genealogist and family-tree research specialist" (which both appear to be the same thing, and is how much of Ancestry.com's user base might self describe. We have no qualifications, and no publications I can find (his name is a common one, so hard to be certain on this point, but restricting publications to the field of genealogy, his purported specialism, brings up nothing). There is no peer review of this piece, so claiming, in Wikivoice, that this contradicts earlier research is definitely not OK. And again, per WP:ANCESTRY, the Wikipedia community has decided that Ancestry.com is generally unreliable for this kind of thing. If the concusion is sound, there will be better sources available. If no better secondary sources exist, it is unsound. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 10:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The article should begin (not end) with the Origin of the Romanians. This way the article Origin of the Romanians will be linked only once. Any encyclopedia reader would want the history of the Romanian people to actually start with their origin. RF354 ( talk) 09:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
WP:BLUDGEON. Don't mislead the readers because of WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT. That's it. RF354 ( talk) 10:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
This page has inconsistent referencing. There are 30 sfn references but about 150 inline references. It appears information is being copied from pages with sfn without adapting the references (a problem not unique to this page). I was going to just fix these until I saw there were 30 of them. Instead, I will create a bibliography so the references work at least. We then could do with a discussion as to what the best referencing style actually is. Although there are more of the inline style, the origins page uses sfn, and sfn does make a page easier to edit. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 19:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)