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Citing a July 2018 story in The Daily Beast, the article says Milo Yiannopoulos plays David Sopher. However, in January 2019, Big Easy Magazine reported that "at some point…Milo dropped out and was replaced by Nigel Smith." IMDb likewise credits Nigel Smith for the role of Dr. David Sopher. NedFausa ( talk) 20:05, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
In a released film, the credits of the film itself serve as a source for cast listings. This is usually implied. Elizium23 ( talk) 01:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I've restored the 2020 release date as per
this, specifically The film infobox is too small to reproduce the long lists of release dates provided by sources such as the Internet Movie Database. Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, and the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film, excluding sneak previews or screenings. If other release dates are found to be notable, it may be appropriate to include them in the main body of the article (example).
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TAXIDICAE💰 16:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
(reset to left -- can't remember the template, sorry)
I'm going to add this. While fully recognizing that Wikipedia is not a reliable source itself, as a bit of reference, please note that Film festival says in its own lede that automatically considering a film festival a release is a matter of some controversy and rejected by some (many?) film historians. I am unaware if Wikipedia has a stance on that controversy, but I would be surprised if it does. If there is, I would be interested in seeing it for my own edification. Further, the article Film screening does indicate that film festival showings could be considered either a private or public screening, which again, are explicitly excluded by WP:FILMYEAR. That same article also makes a distinction between screenings and releases. Again, I know those aren't reliable sources in and of themselves, but does add additional data points that it isn't as cut-and-dried as "film festival automatically means it was released". As a matter of fairness, I will acknowledge that some movies ARE released at film festivals as part of a joint premiere and release. Sundance Film Festival is notorious for it. However, in those cases, it is almost always as part of its general availability release cycle, which was not clearly not the case here as its release was several months later.
Argument in a nutshell: WP:FILMYEAR says: "Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release [...], excluding sneak previews or screenings.". I have no argument with this. If it was released at a film festival, that's its date. No issue. However, just because it was screened at the film festival, doesn't necessarily mean it was considered released at the film festival. Nothing in FILMYEAR says that. Nothing anywhere says that, and some film historians explicitly reject the notion. As mere screenings are explicitly excluded by FILMYEAR, in order to say it was released (as opposed to merely screened) at the film festival, we must have a reliable source saying that. I don't believe that the word "premiere" meets that burden as a premiere is merely the first showing, not a release, per the dictionary. -- ShinmaWa( talk) 22:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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Citing a July 2018 story in The Daily Beast, the article says Milo Yiannopoulos plays David Sopher. However, in January 2019, Big Easy Magazine reported that "at some point…Milo dropped out and was replaced by Nigel Smith." IMDb likewise credits Nigel Smith for the role of Dr. David Sopher. NedFausa ( talk) 20:05, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
In a released film, the credits of the film itself serve as a source for cast listings. This is usually implied. Elizium23 ( talk) 01:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I've restored the 2020 release date as per
this, specifically The film infobox is too small to reproduce the long lists of release dates provided by sources such as the Internet Movie Database. Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, and the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film, excluding sneak previews or screenings. If other release dates are found to be notable, it may be appropriate to include them in the main body of the article (example).
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TAXIDICAE💰 16:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
(reset to left -- can't remember the template, sorry)
I'm going to add this. While fully recognizing that Wikipedia is not a reliable source itself, as a bit of reference, please note that Film festival says in its own lede that automatically considering a film festival a release is a matter of some controversy and rejected by some (many?) film historians. I am unaware if Wikipedia has a stance on that controversy, but I would be surprised if it does. If there is, I would be interested in seeing it for my own edification. Further, the article Film screening does indicate that film festival showings could be considered either a private or public screening, which again, are explicitly excluded by WP:FILMYEAR. That same article also makes a distinction between screenings and releases. Again, I know those aren't reliable sources in and of themselves, but does add additional data points that it isn't as cut-and-dried as "film festival automatically means it was released". As a matter of fairness, I will acknowledge that some movies ARE released at film festivals as part of a joint premiere and release. Sundance Film Festival is notorious for it. However, in those cases, it is almost always as part of its general availability release cycle, which was not clearly not the case here as its release was several months later.
Argument in a nutshell: WP:FILMYEAR says: "Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release [...], excluding sneak previews or screenings.". I have no argument with this. If it was released at a film festival, that's its date. No issue. However, just because it was screened at the film festival, doesn't necessarily mean it was considered released at the film festival. Nothing in FILMYEAR says that. Nothing anywhere says that, and some film historians explicitly reject the notion. As mere screenings are explicitly excluded by FILMYEAR, in order to say it was released (as opposed to merely screened) at the film festival, we must have a reliable source saying that. I don't believe that the word "premiere" meets that burden as a premiere is merely the first showing, not a release, per the dictionary. -- ShinmaWa( talk) 22:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)