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Just for reference, the placeholder names used in the complaint are thought to be:
[Senate Candidate 1] | Valerie Jarrett ( probably) |
[Senate Candidate 2] | Lisa Madigan ( confirmed) |
[Senate Candidate 3] | Jan Schakowsky ( speculation) |
[Senate Candidate 4] | Louanner Peters ( probably) |
[Senate Candidate 5] | Jesse Jackson, Jr. ( confirmed) |
[Senate Candidate 6] | J.P. Pritzker ( speculation) |
[President-elect Advisor] | Rahm Emanuel ( probably) |
[Deputy Governor A] | Bob Greenlee ( probably) |
[Individual A] | John Wyma ( probably) |
[Fundraiser A] | |
[Adviser B] |
(( feel free to modify the above as new information becomes available -- Underpants ( talk) 18:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC) ))
Does this count as a Category:Congressional scandals or should it stay in the parent category Category:Political scandals in the United States?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Why was this moved to Rod Blagojevich federal fraud cases from Rod Blagojevich federal fraud scandal? The scandal involves the need to convene special session, possibly call a special election, maybe have an impeachment? The cases are only a part of the scandal?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the word "federal" which is superfluous in the title. The scandal is governor Blagojevich's, not the fed's. The investigation may be originally federal, but the scandal is not federal. The laws allegedly broken are state and federal. -- Yellowdesk ( talk) 15:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
How about soemthing more neutral, like "Rod Blagojevich Senate seat controversy"? at least until he is actually convicted of something. "Corruption" and "scandal" presume guilt, and do not seem to meet WP:NPOV. Ground Zero | t 13:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Is this article really needed? It doesn't say anything other than what's currently on the Rod Blagojevich article in the Rod Blagojevich#Federal arrest on corruption charges section. -- Tocino 17:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Should the above template be used to keep track of many of the Illinois players?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
If the replacement is by appointment it will be a Democrat. However, if it is by election, presumably, Republicans could run. Has anyone seen any articles about this fact and a list of Republican potential candidates.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
There is some discussion in the Rod Blagojevich article about whether it's accurate to say Pat Quinn has called for his resignation since it appears he's just said Blagojevich should at least step aside temporarily which may not be the same thing as a resignation Nil Einne ( talk) 17:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the following sentence from the lead: "On December 10, Deputy Governor Bob Greenlee resigned from office". The lead is supposed to be a summary of the article and there is only a brief mention (two sentences) of Greenlee so I don't think it's significant enough to be in the lead, not to mention we don't know (yet) whether it's related to the scandal. 216.239.234.196 ( talk) 21:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
"The idiots were woken up by the FBI." -Paragraph I, line II
Anyone want to change that? Richardkselby ( talk) 00:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The article says that Quinn could appoint Madigan to the Senate "to get her out of the way". It sounds unencyclopedic and I'm not sure the Time article explicitly states that. There's one sentence in the Time article that sort of implies it "Quinn also could decide his chances are better in a three-way primary against Madigan" but making that interpretation might qualify as original research. Anyway, I removed the "to get her out of the way" bit. If anyone can think of a better wording, that's fine with me. 216.239.234.196 ( talk) 16:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is "Blagojevich's congressional photo" from at least five years ago used in connection with an article solely about events of 2008? Can't we possibly use up-to-date pix? It's not like he's been a recluse. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 22:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC) (one who tries to believe in the presumption of evidence)
I realize that the aticle in TIME on the Blagojevich case said he was arrested by " federal marshals". However, I have checked numerous reliable sources and TIME appears to be the only one that says he was arrested by the Marshal Service. According to the U.S. Department of Justice [2] Blagojevich was arrested by FBI agents. Not to mention that when the TIME article is referenced side by side with articles that say FBI agents arrested him, it appears to contradict itself. I will change it and add a second reliable source. -- Abusing ( talk) 02:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
The article starts with the following that tells you exactly nothing:
Then it prattles on for three wordy paragraphs that barely talk provide any overview, just a lot of current events. I'm thinking those last two paragraphs should be moved into a heading and the first paragraph reordered/rewritten. -- William Graham talk 03:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I was just about to start a new section on this this page to discuss exactly this. I'm not from the US and I've got no idea from this article what the scandal actually is (although I gather it is a big deal). It suffers like a lot of wikipedia articles from competing editors trying to cram every reference, claim and counter-claim into the intro. The following things are not needed in the intro and can be put later in the article:
What it does need is:
I'm not going to make changes myself until i've seen some responses to this proposal especially since it's on the main page today and i don't want to get flamed by everyone. Also, as I've said, I don't really understand the topic so I'm not best placed to make the edits. ChrisUK ( talk) 13:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
With the impeachment of the governor a done deal to be voted this afternoon, it should be under "The Impeachment of Rod Blagojevich" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.128.125 ( talk) 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The way the process is described reflects a basic political illiteracy about how it works. The lower house does not "recommend" anything to the Senate: it impeaches. What follows in the Senate is a trial, not "impeachment proceedings". Even the cited sources reflect that. Don't you people even bother reading them?
An extensive rewrite is required, which I have neither the time, energy, nor interest to undertake. Good luck with it. 192.91.171.42 ( talk) 02:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Toward the end of the article, the following sentence appears: "Rep. Elga L. Jefferies from the South Side of Chicago voted present". I am a pol sci graduate from Australia and have no idea what the term "voted present" means. Can someone change the article to make this clear? (perhaps particularly to a non-USA reader?). Ta! hamiltonstone ( talk) 00:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The article implies that there may have been criminal charges against Joel Aldrich Matteson, but his article makes no mention. Could somebody explain? AnyPerson ( talk) 02:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think maybe the impeachment article should be broken out into its own separate article (like Impeachment of Rod Blagojevich)? Then on this page, there could be a one-graph summary with a link to "Main article: Impeachment of Rod Blagojevich"? There is obviously some precedent for this in Lewinsky scandal and Impeachment of Bill Clinton. It seems that this page is getting a bit long and I don't think a separate article on the impeachment altogether is at all inappropriate... -- Hunter Kahn ( talk) 15:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the impeachment portion should be forked to a separate article, with a summary left behind. However, we should wait until the section becomes stable before doing it. Otherwise, we will have to keep updating the summary to reflect changes at the main article. - Rrius ( talk) 08:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Since when is the WP:LEAD not the summary of the article. What is going on that there is a trivial lead and then a separate blown up summary? For an article of this length the LEAD is suppose to be about three to four paragraphs. Why not reformat the Summary so it fits the normal description of the LEAD?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 06:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
This article says Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn, was sworn in as the new Governor, WRONG. Quinn became Governor at the very moment Blagojevich was convicted (in the Senate), oath of office or not. GoodDay ( talk) 19:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
This article has the impeachment vote in the Illinois house as 113-1; it was in fact 114-1 (the main article on Blagojevich states this and its source backs it up). Can't change it because I'm not a registered user, so someone else who is registered can fix this. 24.8.252.164 ( talk) 07:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I am reviewing this article. Diderot's dreams ( talk) 13:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
GA Review status: Fail
There has obviously been a lot of work done on this article, and much good content. Thank you for all your efforts. Unfortunately, I must quick fail the article because of quick fail criterion 5:
Definitely the Roland Burris' appointment, the primary coverage of which is being done in this article, is a rapidly developing current event. Yesterday there was a story about his son getting a $75,000 a year job through Blago's administration 5 months ago. Even if this is a red herring, Burris' appointment is otherwise a hot topic right now.
Sorry, but look at it this way: at least you're not Rod Blagojevich! :-P Diderot's dreams ( talk) 15:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Blagojevich on The Daily Show [3]:
My accusers, who had a press conference while I was locked up in a jail cell, said that I said that. They have since gone to court and have gotten a court order that prevents me from finishing out that conversation and telling you exactly the next sentence or the next paragraph.
This was the cornerstone of his defence on the show so seems noteworthy, but I'm not sure where it would go. I'm also curious to know whether there's a shred of truth to it - it seems slightly implausible. ciphergoth ( talk) 19:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there really not a newer color photo of Rod Blagojevich?
Can someone find the original and current case name (something like United States v. Scheinberg et al.) and include those names in the WP:LEAD and do a page move.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Rod Blagojevich corruption charges → United States v. Blagojevich – This article is about the details of the events involved in this legal case and this is the common naming convention for legal cases. TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 20:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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Just for reference, the placeholder names used in the complaint are thought to be:
[Senate Candidate 1] | Valerie Jarrett ( probably) |
[Senate Candidate 2] | Lisa Madigan ( confirmed) |
[Senate Candidate 3] | Jan Schakowsky ( speculation) |
[Senate Candidate 4] | Louanner Peters ( probably) |
[Senate Candidate 5] | Jesse Jackson, Jr. ( confirmed) |
[Senate Candidate 6] | J.P. Pritzker ( speculation) |
[President-elect Advisor] | Rahm Emanuel ( probably) |
[Deputy Governor A] | Bob Greenlee ( probably) |
[Individual A] | John Wyma ( probably) |
[Fundraiser A] | |
[Adviser B] |
(( feel free to modify the above as new information becomes available -- Underpants ( talk) 18:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC) ))
Does this count as a Category:Congressional scandals or should it stay in the parent category Category:Political scandals in the United States?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Why was this moved to Rod Blagojevich federal fraud cases from Rod Blagojevich federal fraud scandal? The scandal involves the need to convene special session, possibly call a special election, maybe have an impeachment? The cases are only a part of the scandal?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the word "federal" which is superfluous in the title. The scandal is governor Blagojevich's, not the fed's. The investigation may be originally federal, but the scandal is not federal. The laws allegedly broken are state and federal. -- Yellowdesk ( talk) 15:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
How about soemthing more neutral, like "Rod Blagojevich Senate seat controversy"? at least until he is actually convicted of something. "Corruption" and "scandal" presume guilt, and do not seem to meet WP:NPOV. Ground Zero | t 13:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Is this article really needed? It doesn't say anything other than what's currently on the Rod Blagojevich article in the Rod Blagojevich#Federal arrest on corruption charges section. -- Tocino 17:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Should the above template be used to keep track of many of the Illinois players?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
If the replacement is by appointment it will be a Democrat. However, if it is by election, presumably, Republicans could run. Has anyone seen any articles about this fact and a list of Republican potential candidates.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 15:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
There is some discussion in the Rod Blagojevich article about whether it's accurate to say Pat Quinn has called for his resignation since it appears he's just said Blagojevich should at least step aside temporarily which may not be the same thing as a resignation Nil Einne ( talk) 17:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the following sentence from the lead: "On December 10, Deputy Governor Bob Greenlee resigned from office". The lead is supposed to be a summary of the article and there is only a brief mention (two sentences) of Greenlee so I don't think it's significant enough to be in the lead, not to mention we don't know (yet) whether it's related to the scandal. 216.239.234.196 ( talk) 21:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
"The idiots were woken up by the FBI." -Paragraph I, line II
Anyone want to change that? Richardkselby ( talk) 00:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The article says that Quinn could appoint Madigan to the Senate "to get her out of the way". It sounds unencyclopedic and I'm not sure the Time article explicitly states that. There's one sentence in the Time article that sort of implies it "Quinn also could decide his chances are better in a three-way primary against Madigan" but making that interpretation might qualify as original research. Anyway, I removed the "to get her out of the way" bit. If anyone can think of a better wording, that's fine with me. 216.239.234.196 ( talk) 16:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is "Blagojevich's congressional photo" from at least five years ago used in connection with an article solely about events of 2008? Can't we possibly use up-to-date pix? It's not like he's been a recluse. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 22:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC) (one who tries to believe in the presumption of evidence)
I realize that the aticle in TIME on the Blagojevich case said he was arrested by " federal marshals". However, I have checked numerous reliable sources and TIME appears to be the only one that says he was arrested by the Marshal Service. According to the U.S. Department of Justice [2] Blagojevich was arrested by FBI agents. Not to mention that when the TIME article is referenced side by side with articles that say FBI agents arrested him, it appears to contradict itself. I will change it and add a second reliable source. -- Abusing ( talk) 02:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
The article starts with the following that tells you exactly nothing:
Then it prattles on for three wordy paragraphs that barely talk provide any overview, just a lot of current events. I'm thinking those last two paragraphs should be moved into a heading and the first paragraph reordered/rewritten. -- William Graham talk 03:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I was just about to start a new section on this this page to discuss exactly this. I'm not from the US and I've got no idea from this article what the scandal actually is (although I gather it is a big deal). It suffers like a lot of wikipedia articles from competing editors trying to cram every reference, claim and counter-claim into the intro. The following things are not needed in the intro and can be put later in the article:
What it does need is:
I'm not going to make changes myself until i've seen some responses to this proposal especially since it's on the main page today and i don't want to get flamed by everyone. Also, as I've said, I don't really understand the topic so I'm not best placed to make the edits. ChrisUK ( talk) 13:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
With the impeachment of the governor a done deal to be voted this afternoon, it should be under "The Impeachment of Rod Blagojevich" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.128.125 ( talk) 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The way the process is described reflects a basic political illiteracy about how it works. The lower house does not "recommend" anything to the Senate: it impeaches. What follows in the Senate is a trial, not "impeachment proceedings". Even the cited sources reflect that. Don't you people even bother reading them?
An extensive rewrite is required, which I have neither the time, energy, nor interest to undertake. Good luck with it. 192.91.171.42 ( talk) 02:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Toward the end of the article, the following sentence appears: "Rep. Elga L. Jefferies from the South Side of Chicago voted present". I am a pol sci graduate from Australia and have no idea what the term "voted present" means. Can someone change the article to make this clear? (perhaps particularly to a non-USA reader?). Ta! hamiltonstone ( talk) 00:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The article implies that there may have been criminal charges against Joel Aldrich Matteson, but his article makes no mention. Could somebody explain? AnyPerson ( talk) 02:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think maybe the impeachment article should be broken out into its own separate article (like Impeachment of Rod Blagojevich)? Then on this page, there could be a one-graph summary with a link to "Main article: Impeachment of Rod Blagojevich"? There is obviously some precedent for this in Lewinsky scandal and Impeachment of Bill Clinton. It seems that this page is getting a bit long and I don't think a separate article on the impeachment altogether is at all inappropriate... -- Hunter Kahn ( talk) 15:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the impeachment portion should be forked to a separate article, with a summary left behind. However, we should wait until the section becomes stable before doing it. Otherwise, we will have to keep updating the summary to reflect changes at the main article. - Rrius ( talk) 08:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Since when is the WP:LEAD not the summary of the article. What is going on that there is a trivial lead and then a separate blown up summary? For an article of this length the LEAD is suppose to be about three to four paragraphs. Why not reformat the Summary so it fits the normal description of the LEAD?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 06:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
This article says Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn, was sworn in as the new Governor, WRONG. Quinn became Governor at the very moment Blagojevich was convicted (in the Senate), oath of office or not. GoodDay ( talk) 19:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
This article has the impeachment vote in the Illinois house as 113-1; it was in fact 114-1 (the main article on Blagojevich states this and its source backs it up). Can't change it because I'm not a registered user, so someone else who is registered can fix this. 24.8.252.164 ( talk) 07:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I am reviewing this article. Diderot's dreams ( talk) 13:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
GA Review status: Fail
There has obviously been a lot of work done on this article, and much good content. Thank you for all your efforts. Unfortunately, I must quick fail the article because of quick fail criterion 5:
Definitely the Roland Burris' appointment, the primary coverage of which is being done in this article, is a rapidly developing current event. Yesterday there was a story about his son getting a $75,000 a year job through Blago's administration 5 months ago. Even if this is a red herring, Burris' appointment is otherwise a hot topic right now.
Sorry, but look at it this way: at least you're not Rod Blagojevich! :-P Diderot's dreams ( talk) 15:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Blagojevich on The Daily Show [3]:
My accusers, who had a press conference while I was locked up in a jail cell, said that I said that. They have since gone to court and have gotten a court order that prevents me from finishing out that conversation and telling you exactly the next sentence or the next paragraph.
This was the cornerstone of his defence on the show so seems noteworthy, but I'm not sure where it would go. I'm also curious to know whether there's a shred of truth to it - it seems slightly implausible. ciphergoth ( talk) 19:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there really not a newer color photo of Rod Blagojevich?
Can someone find the original and current case name (something like United States v. Scheinberg et al.) and include those names in the WP:LEAD and do a page move.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Rod Blagojevich corruption charges → United States v. Blagojevich – This article is about the details of the events involved in this legal case and this is the common naming convention for legal cases. TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 20:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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